Need some 220v electrical connection advise

[remagenman]

Hello folks, figured I'd ask some bonafide electrical gurus on my planned set up for the garage.

I have 3 machines at 220v that I want to use (one at a time) and connect to the same receptacle when I want to use. An electric ceramic kiln rated at 15A, a vintage wood planer rated at 25.6A and a Lincoln 225ac 50A stick welder with a NEMA 6-50 plug.

-Kiln has a 10-50P plug
-Planer has a 10-20P plug
-Stick welder has a 6-50P Plug.

So in a nutshell, can I just connect a 50A breaker and outlet connection for 6-50P and rewire the other plugs for 6-50P to connect to the same outlet location?

Thanks ahead of time.

 

[Aceman]

I would not recommend it.

 

[The Cobbler]

sounds like you need 3 separate circuits.

 

[Dagny]

It's wrong but done alot

 

[James-W]

I agree with the others, it is no doubt done quite a lot, but that doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[OccupantRJ]

You could install a 60 amp sub panel near the location, then provide a proper circuit for each of the 3 units from it.

 

[sberry]

Each one needs different over current according to the plug that comes on it. I agree, good place for a simple panel fed with 6. That kiln may have the wrong plug on it.
It this attactched or detatched garage, etc.

 

[pattenp]

If putting in a new circuit that the kiln will use the cord should be switched to a 14 series. The 10 series are ungrounded where the neutral is bonded at the unit. Also I'd consider changing the plug on the planner to a 6-30 on a 30A circuit if it's really listed as 25.6A. I'm not sure why there is a 10-20 on the planner. Or do you have some of those numbers backwards?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Hello folks, figured I'd ask some bonafide electrical gurus on my planned set up for the garage.

I have 3 machines at 220v that I want to use (one at a time) and connect to the same receptacle when I want to use. An electric ceramic kiln rated at 15A, a vintage wood planer rated at 25.6A and a Lincoln 225ac 50A stick welder with a NEMA 6-50 plug.

-Kiln has a 10-50P plug
-Planer has a 10-20P plug
-Stick welder has a 6-50P Plug.

So in a nutshell, can I just connect a 50A breaker and outlet connection for 6-50P and rewire the other plugs for 6-50P to connect to the same outlet location?

Thanks ahead of time.

Geez the first 2 have the wrong plugs on them.

I agree with PATTENP

Does the kiln have 120v controls? If so it should have a NEMA 14-15p. If not then 6-15p.

The planer should have a nema 6-30p.

And the welder is correct.

These all need separate circuits.

Dont put them all on the same circuit.

 

[remagenman]

Thanks to all for the replies and thats why I ask these things.

The planers data plate says VOLTS 115/230, AMP 25.6/12.8 (now I think I misquoted the earlier Planer 220v amps) PH1 with 10-20P plug.

The kilns data plate says 120/240/3W Phase 1 but wired with the 10-50P plug and all information point at it being 240v.

Planer plug: https://imgur.com/BqC5ICI

Kiln plug: https://imgur.com/YhNTH8n

The planer is an older Parks style planer with thick gauge wiring and used to belong to a shop teacher. I took of the motor plate but the wiring doesnt make sense to me to be able to tell if it is 110 or 220 volts wired. I was planning on doing a "plug it into a 110v outlet first and see if it bogs or runs" test. Not very scientific but I think field expedient.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

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Planner if wired for 240v should be 6-15p then....

Kiln should be 6-15p as well unless it has 120v comtrols which then should be 14-15p...

Only thing that could and can have a 6-50p is the welder

 

[remagenman]

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Planner if wired for 240v should be 6-15p then....

Kiln should be 6-15p as well unless it has 120v comtrols which then should be 14-15p...

Only thing that could and can have a 6-50p is the welder

Thanks, pics link directly to imgur, tried to edit but pics dont show.


So would you suggest Kiln and Planer re-wired to 6-15p plug and ran from a dedicated 20amp breaker outlet and Welder ran from a dedicated 50amp breaker outlet?

I'll be using these one at a time when needed.

 

[matt_i]

I would build overcurrent protection into each machine other than the welder. A 6 inch square NEMA-1 square box you get at the home depot, some old school time-delay fuses and a 2 pole fuse holder. Breaker protects the hard-wiring, fuses protect the machine.

The one missing link is the cords, and if those are molded 6-50 cordsets (like you'd buy to hookup an electric range) they should have the appropriate wire gauge already to handle the current.

 

[sberry]

You can do that but simple breaker can work.
I don't recall about kilns,, are they dual voltage and 15A seems small. Most I have seen are 50A, I am sure there are smaller ones.

 

[remagenman]

You can do that but simple breaker can work.
I don't recall about kilns,, are they dual voltage and 15A seems small. Most I have seen are 50A, I am sure there are smaller ones.

Yeah, it's a small kiln. Think my setup would work?

 

[sberry]

Is the kiln 120/240 or 240? It and the planer could possibly run from the same one. The welder needs a 10 or better wire.