shortykorte
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Grasshopper good learner. Wax on, wax off
Above 1200 Sq/FT New home, next chapter ....
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
shortykorte
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Glad the insulation didn’t get delay to long. Beautiful weather now but in a couple of months….
Will you get the floor sealed soon?
Will you get the floor sealed soon?
cbacres
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Great on getting insulation done, should be like a igloo in there.
ODIS
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Making great progress!
Zeke
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What?? That's criminal. It's gotten so I drive around in the alleys picking up lumber just to have some around.
PugetDude
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I can mail you a bunch I haveGonna start shopping for ALL DIFFERENT covers.
No responsibility for what Pines sends, but you should definitely wash your hands after installling it.
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RivennHewn
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Finished installing my hose bibs today. Have six around the building.
Ran 3/4" PVC underground from a hose bib at the house. All 3/4" copper through the concrete and above the ground.
Glued 5/8" plywood to backside of siding for strength and anchoring.
Planning to install a flow-check valve, shut-off, and blow-out connection at the house so I can drain the entire shop system in the rare event of a big freeze ( PNW habits die hard ).
Ran 3/4" PVC underground from a hose bib at the house. All 3/4" copper through the concrete and above the ground.
Glued 5/8" plywood to backside of siding for strength and anchoring.
Planning to install a flow-check valve, shut-off, and blow-out connection at the house so I can drain the entire shop system in the rare event of a big freeze ( PNW habits die hard ).
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RivennHewn
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When you see them lighting fires in the orange groves, better blow the lines!
PugetDude
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....for the formal spaces.
I had spent a few hours on scaffolding scraping off some of the ceiling foam overspray and didn't even make a dent. I went to Lowes to get some cheap white paint to start painting. The guy in the paint dept. asked if I wanted it tinted, he'd do it for free. I asked if he could do steel gray. YEP ! Decided to just paint the hell out of everything overhead. After a second trip to Lowes for a new spray tip orifice, and a few sprayer problems, I got the woodshop area finished yesterday. Took about 8 gallons and 2 hours of clean-up). I'll give it a couple of days to cure well ( I sprayed pretty heavy ). I'll put up the lights and finish some of the high work before moving the scaffolding into the garage area.
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shortykorte
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Good deal. Could you tell a temp difference inside yesterday? Grey looks a lot better.
PugetDude
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shortykorte
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I meant just ambient temperature.
Lights are finished in the shop space. These were a PITA. The first lights I bought for the garage area were set up to hardwire with plenty of length for power and dimmer wires. I later ordered the lights for the shop and never opened them. I guess they changed the model. These came with a plug end, but only 8" of dimmer wire. PITA trying to make connections on some with only a couple of inches of dimmer wire inside the box. ( I ran 12/2/2 for all the 150w UFO's )
PugetDude
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John, what brand/model UFO did you end up buying?
Looks like you’re well lit now.
Looks like you’re well lit now.
When the spray foam crew started setting up to spray my building, the lead guy told me that normally they're supposed to tell people to stay out of the building while they work and for 24 hours after. He allowed me to pop in periodically, notifying me that if I start to get "fog eye" to get out ( "fog eye" is when the ultra-fine mist or fumes of the chemical reaction get in your eyes causing everything to look foggy ). The off-gassing of the product is supposed to end within a few minutes, but the urethane smell can linger, so the building should be left open to ventilate for 12-18 hours.
After the crew finished I left the three garage doors open for the next two days. I would walk in and could still smell the urethane and walk out. By the third day, after chasing a couple of birds out of the building, we were expecting a heavy rainstorm, so I closed the building up. Five days after the spray I spent a couple of hours cleaning up, removing a lot of masking shreds and staples left after the crew had just ripped everything down to pack up and get out. That night I thought my wife was burning dinner because the house looked like it was filled with smoke. Now, the longer I stay in the shop, the more my vision is foggy and the longer it takes to clear up the next day. I called the foam company to ask about the problem. They said they have never had a problem before. They sent their QC guy today to pick up samples of foam and get info of the paint I used to have them tested.
Some background : I have always been extra-sensitive to certain smells. My wife can't wear perfumes, hair spray, even hand lotions. If she used any of these and we jumped in the car to go somewhere, I would be gagging within seconds. She used to think I was exaggerating. I can smell bad fish or meat from across the room. I can pinpoint BO in a big crowd. My best friend from HS has his doctorate in analytic chemistry. He told me I have MCS ( Multiple Chemical Sensitivity ). Now I'm worried that I might not be able to use this building.
After the crew finished I left the three garage doors open for the next two days. I would walk in and could still smell the urethane and walk out. By the third day, after chasing a couple of birds out of the building, we were expecting a heavy rainstorm, so I closed the building up. Five days after the spray I spent a couple of hours cleaning up, removing a lot of masking shreds and staples left after the crew had just ripped everything down to pack up and get out. That night I thought my wife was burning dinner because the house looked like it was filled with smoke. Now, the longer I stay in the shop, the more my vision is foggy and the longer it takes to clear up the next day. I called the foam company to ask about the problem. They said they have never had a problem before. They sent their QC guy today to pick up samples of foam and get info of the paint I used to have them tested.
Some background : I have always been extra-sensitive to certain smells. My wife can't wear perfumes, hair spray, even hand lotions. If she used any of these and we jumped in the car to go somewhere, I would be gagging within seconds. She used to think I was exaggerating. I can smell bad fish or meat from across the room. I can pinpoint BO in a big crowd. My best friend from HS has his doctorate in analytic chemistry. He told me I have MCS ( Multiple Chemical Sensitivity ). Now I'm worried that I might not be able to use this building.
Bob Heine
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John, you've already sealed the ceiling with paint and understand you are covering the walls with something. I think you'll be OK once the walls are covered but you may have to get some help putting up whatever covering you decide on. If you're uncomfortable hiring the itinerant workers at the local Home Depot, you might convince the Tallahassee safety officer to assist. Oh wait, just go hire the itinerants -- hardly any of them are life-threatening.
Michael B.
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I hate to hear that John! Hopefully once the walls are covered your symptoms will dissipate.
PugetDude
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Can you open it up and let it air out for a week or so?
shortykorte
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Shhhh!!! This is my top secret plan to get him out of my shop.
I could see where the open cell is breathing the off gases but you’d think the internal foam would be cured by now.
I could see where the open cell is breathing the off gases but you’d think the internal foam would be cured by now.
My chemist friend says that this type of chemical reaction will actually off-gas at very low levels for a month or more. The government allows the spray foam industry to consider the hazardous point of exposure to be where 90+/- % of the population would be affected. Tough **** on the other small % of us.
Unfortunately, Bob, I'm not sure that latex paint will seal off-gassing. If I had done a PVA primer, it might have helped. And I'm sure plywood won't seal the walls. At this point I'm going to stay out of the building, leave the windows open with the exhaust fan on, and wait.
PugetDude
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John, it would be a PITA, but could you re-spray with a couple of coats of (tinted?) Kilz?
Might seal everything up so the building would be usable for you.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Might seal everything up so the building would be usable for you.
Good luck and keep us posted.
RivennHewn
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I agree that it’s best just to keep airing it out.
I wouldn’t want to try and seal it up too soon.
I know you don’t need another delay, but let it breathe for awhile.
I wouldn’t want to try and seal it up too soon.
I know you don’t need another delay, but let it breathe for awhile.
PugetDude
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Once you get it aired out and sealed up you might consider putting the exhaust fans on a 24 hour timer.
RivennHewn
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Do you have provisions for make up air/“whole house” fan to introduce fresh air?
SamYoung
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You may want to consider a HEPA air purifier with carbon filter (or 2) to help get the levels down, or at least keep them down after the initial off gassing is complete. You can target areas that aren't getting good air flow and you notice that the scents are stronger. Just make sure you keep the carbon filters fresh since the VOCs are your main concern.
After five days of sucking air through the building I decided to attempt to paint the ceiling in the garage area. It was a hot day and I had the mini-splits masked off (didn't want them sucking in paint mist). It didn't take long being 12' high on scaffolding, covered in a tyvek suit to sweat through my clothes and feel like I was about to pass out. Had to slowly climb down, strip the tyvek off, and sit outside on the retaining wall until I was able to walk to the house. I was a little disoriented, breathing hard, almost called 911. Took a cold shower, hydrated a lot, fell asleep on the couch. Had to go back out later to clean up the airless. Next day I unmasked the mini's and ran them all day and night. Now the ceiling is finished. I might need to see my cardiologist.
shortykorte
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Looks good and I know you’re happy to be finished with that step. If you would just call, I would have stood there with the water hose and squirted you as needed. 