Above 1200 Sq/FT New home, next chapter ....
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
shortykorte
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Congratulations. Finish line is in sight.
Doors Tuesday? Great, I don’t have to be in as bunch hurry to load my trailer with the stuff I’m storing at your place.
Doors Tuesday? Great, I don’t have to be in as bunch hurry to load my trailer with the stuff I’m storing at your place.
Michael B.
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Congratulations John! It looks terrific!! Are you satisfied with the building?
cbacres
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Nice looking building! I was pretty impressed on how sturdy my shed is, same type of structure.
Finally!!
Whats the cones for? Are you so used to not having a building there that you might forget and drive into wall?
Glad to see it done.
Finally!!
Whats the cones for? Are you so used to not having a building there that you might forget and drive into wall?
Glad to see it done.
PugetDude
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Looks like you've got all weekend!Congratulations. Finish line is in sight.
Doors Tuesday? Great, I don’t have to be in as bunch hurry to load my trailer with the stuff I’m storing at your place.
shortykorte
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Safety first….or is that third?
ambenz
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Nice digs! Lot of roomy potential.
Curious what your plans are, in the future, to cool the inside during the dog days of summer and if you calculated the cost of install and yearly use? I imagine that might be too far down the road.
Congratulations getting a very nice shell that you can call your own!
Curious what your plans are, in the future, to cool the inside during the dog days of summer and if you calculated the cost of install and yearly use? I imagine that might be too far down the road.
Congratulations getting a very nice shell that you can call your own!
Chrisb62
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Congratulations John , its great to see that something has finally gone in your favor.....Hope I didn't jinx you more
Well Chris, I might owe you a smack in the head. Garage door installers showed up this morning and started unloading and setting up. Laid out the tracks, high=lift extensions, panels, parts. I started doing a mental inventory and asked where the panels were for the 15' door. They told me that only the two 12' doors are being installed now. Apparently while they were loading up this morning they noticed that the spring assembly and side tracks for the 15' door were missing. These are commercial high cycle doors and those parts are not common or interchangeable. THEY HAVE BEEN STORING THESE DOORS FOR FOUR MONTHS !! And nobody ever checked them until today. I called the manager and told him I should have gotten this news from him, not his installers. He apologized and said he's been making calls all day trying to get the situation remedied. He has no idea when the parts will be in his hands. So this is what I have until who knows when. They're coming back tomorrow to finish the weatherstrips and openers.
PugetDude
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Welcome to the "new normal" John. I've had gutter installation scheduled for this Friday at my cabin for three months; they just discovered the color I ordered is out of stock this morning.
Hope they find your parts-if not, to get you buttoned up temporarily they should be able to stack the panels in the opening until the parts come in- you're experienced enough to secure them in place with a simple frame on each end.
Good luck.
Hope they find your parts-if not, to get you buttoned up temporarily they should be able to stack the panels in the opening until the parts come in- you're experienced enough to secure them in place with a simple frame on each end.
Good luck.
RivennHewn
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Maybe a nice OSB temp wall and matching paint?
OH door companies ****. Haven’t found a good one yet.
OH door companies ****. Haven’t found a good one yet.
Chrisb62
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Wow..........just f’n wow.........
Sorry John about the bad ju-ju
As said by both above a temporary hole closer can be erected but hopefully they will find them behind some other order they have been holding.
Sorry John about the bad ju-ju
As said by both above a temporary hole closer can be erected but hopefully they will find them behind some other order they have been holding.
shortykorte
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What a big hole you have.
Darn, I was going to invite some redneck friends over for a little Let’s Make a Deal. Do you want what’s behind door number 1….?
Hopefully they get it straightened out quick.
Darn, I was going to invite some redneck friends over for a little Let’s Make a Deal. Do you want what’s behind door number 1….?
Hopefully they get it straightened out quick.
rmack898
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Sorry to hear about you hole, I mean door issue. I hope they resolve it fast.
If it makes you feel any better, my hole project is at a stand still. Very little work has been done for weeks and the paver contractor is still 2 weeks away from starting, and they can't do anything else until the pavers are done.
If it makes you feel any better, my hole project is at a stand still. Very little work has been done for weeks and the paver contractor is still 2 weeks away from starting, and they can't do anything else until the pavers are done.
Michael B.
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And the saga continues……
That *****.Sorry to hear about you hole, I mean door issue. I hope they resolve it fast.
If it makes you feel any better, my hole project is at a stand still. Very little work has been done for weeks and the paver contractor is still 2 weeks away from starting, and they can't do anything else until the pavers are done.
Jayman17
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Sorry for another delay but on the bright side your color choices really look good!
Jay
Jay
shortykorte
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Nice concrete pond Mack. With the huge influx of workers, should be plenty paver installers.
rmack898
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Granny called it a C-ment pond
RivennHewn
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Sparky show up yet?
Any word on the door?
Any word on the door?
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Two installers showed up on Monday to 'finish' the two 12' doors. They were sent out without the weatherstripping and the exterior keypad for one door, so by my standards, they did not 'finish' those two doors. I called the manager only to hear that he is doing all he can to complete my job, but has no idea where the spring is for my third door.
I have had three electricians and two AC guys come over to look and talk. So far, I received one quote for electrical, and it included things I did not ask for, so I emailed back asking for the changes to be made to the quote. I'm only looking to get the minimum done, then get my final. (200amp service (conduit already in), one outlet below panel, one switched ceiling outlet for a light, three surface mounted outlets for the openers.) .
I received a call from one of the AC guys telling me that I need to have heat load calcs done before they can spec a system. I told him I'd get back to him after I decide on my insulation (closed cell foam prices are more than double open cell).
I have had three electricians and two AC guys come over to look and talk. So far, I received one quote for electrical, and it included things I did not ask for, so I emailed back asking for the changes to be made to the quote. I'm only looking to get the minimum done, then get my final. (200amp service (conduit already in), one outlet below panel, one switched ceiling outlet for a light, three surface mounted outlets for the openers.) .
I received a call from one of the AC guys telling me that I need to have heat load calcs done before they can spec a system. I told him I'd get back to him after I decide on my insulation (closed cell foam prices are more than double open cell).
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PugetDude
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I'd tell the door guys you have no idea where your final check is, either. If it's only a spring, can't they install the door and just leave it locked in the down position? That would at least get you weathered in.
Good luck sorting out the electrical and HVAC.
Sounds like you're making progress.
Good luck sorting out the electrical and HVAC.
Sounds like you're making progress.
Gutters and downspouts yesterday. Went with 7" K-style seamless gutters and 4x5 downspouts. Color was close enough.
Had a long discussion with the salesman about the PVC downspout adapters. He spec'd schedule40 ($55 per ), and there would be play in the fitment because I used thin-wall pipe. Told him my pipe and fittings were SDR35. He told me they don't exist. I ordered from same site I got most of my fittings. Showed up in three days ($23 per). Now we need to talk credit.
Installers left several areas where they scratched the paint off of downspouts and fittings. They told me it would be touched up. Guess they forgot and drove off.
Had a long discussion with the salesman about the PVC downspout adapters. He spec'd schedule40 ($55 per ), and there would be play in the fitment because I used thin-wall pipe. Told him my pipe and fittings were SDR35. He told me they don't exist. I ordered from same site I got most of my fittings. Showed up in three days ($23 per). Now we need to talk credit.
Installers left several areas where they scratched the paint off of downspouts and fittings. They told me it would be touched up. Guess they forgot and drove off.
Jayman17
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TF, those are some big gutters, I guess in FL you get those torrential downpours not to mention hurricanes and tropical storms. Looking good though...
Jay
Jay
RivennHewn
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Be sure you get a capable, competent person on your touch ups.
they’ll want to put a unskilled apprentice on it, and they’ll make it look worse, not better
they’ll want to put a unskilled apprentice on it, and they’ll make it look worse, not better
shortykorte
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Damn, just can’t catch a break. On a good note you’re ready for our rain tomorrow.
I was reading your post and a thought popped into my head. Us Crackers think that people moving here from NY are use to getting bent over by you know who and move here, we just want to make them feel at home. Since you’re a west coaster, you have experience that.
I know a great electrician, $100/hr, unlicensed, uninsured, experienced at making sparks. Call me.
I was reading your post and a thought popped into my head. Us Crackers think that people moving here from NY are use to getting bent over by you know who and move here, we just want to make them feel at home. Since you’re a west coaster, you have experience that.
I know a great electrician, $100/hr, unlicensed, uninsured, experienced at making sparks. Call me.
PugetDude
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So that's where the Shorty nickname comes from; mystery solved.
Apparently my missing spring has been replaced and two installers showed up on Tuesday morning to install the third garage door. The 23-year old lead guy started right in stacking doors and installing tracks. I asked him if he had measured and cut any of the track off in order to fit the high-lift under the truss, since by my calculations it was going to be a little high. He blew me off and said that he prefers to assemble the entire system and then make any necessary adjustments, if needed, but "don't worry, I know what I'm doing". After spending the entire day assembling the 15'x9' insulated steel commercial door with a huge 16,000 cycle spring (48 turns each side) he finds out it hits the truss. Now it's after 3:30 and too late to start screwing with it, so they'll be back tomorrow.
Next morning the kid tells me he's just going to cut 3" off the bottom of the high-lift track so he won't have to dis-assemble the door and unload the spring. I told him he's going to dis-assemble the door and spring, cut 6" off the bottom of the main track and start over. He started to argue with me, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, his way was the right way. I told him the RIGHT way would have been to measure carefully and make adjustments before starting assembly ( my frustration level had me raising my voice and sticking a finger in his face). He called his boss, boss called me and told me to let his guy do his job. At this point I told the boss the kid would do it my way or they weren't getting final payment and he'd be reimbursing me for the cost of another installer to re-do the job. Won that battle.
They also brought the missing weatherstrips and keypad. I grabbed the weatherstrips out of their truck and they stuck to my hands. I had ordered matching gray trim. They had spray painted white trim gray that morning. I called the manager and asked why. He said that if he had waited for the paint to cure it would have delayed my job a few more days and I would be more upset. Really ?!! Factory gray trim should have been ordered six months ago with the door order !!
At this point I went in the house and called corporate HQ of Overhead Door. I hate doing this kind of ****, but I was ready to hit someone. Spoke with a Customer Service rep in Texas, then a regional manager in Florida. Both called the local manager and called me back apologizing for the treatment I received, stating that it is not acceptable and not representative of their brand. The regional manager is visiting the local franchise this Tuesday for a "training session" and "review of their operations".
Next morning the kid tells me he's just going to cut 3" off the bottom of the high-lift track so he won't have to dis-assemble the door and unload the spring. I told him he's going to dis-assemble the door and spring, cut 6" off the bottom of the main track and start over. He started to argue with me, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, his way was the right way. I told him the RIGHT way would have been to measure carefully and make adjustments before starting assembly ( my frustration level had me raising my voice and sticking a finger in his face). He called his boss, boss called me and told me to let his guy do his job. At this point I told the boss the kid would do it my way or they weren't getting final payment and he'd be reimbursing me for the cost of another installer to re-do the job. Won that battle.
They also brought the missing weatherstrips and keypad. I grabbed the weatherstrips out of their truck and they stuck to my hands. I had ordered matching gray trim. They had spray painted white trim gray that morning. I called the manager and asked why. He said that if he had waited for the paint to cure it would have delayed my job a few more days and I would be more upset. Really ?!! Factory gray trim should have been ordered six months ago with the door order !!
At this point I went in the house and called corporate HQ of Overhead Door. I hate doing this kind of ****, but I was ready to hit someone. Spoke with a Customer Service rep in Texas, then a regional manager in Florida. Both called the local manager and called me back apologizing for the treatment I received, stating that it is not acceptable and not representative of their brand. The regional manager is visiting the local franchise this Tuesday for a "training session" and "review of their operations".
Damn John, the hits just keep on coming. I don’t know what to think about our current labor source.
I don’t think training works anymore. This was my yesterday. We’re retrofitting an older CMU constructed jail with new controls and camera system right now. Another words a **** load of new conduit and cores.
Prior to commencement they wanted me to X-ray all the penetrations. I said nope and here’s why...you don’t ever core here nor there and it’s always safe here and here. Ain’t doing it and don’t worry about it........famous last words
So yesterday my newest journeyman obviously didn’t understand “core here or there and nowhere else”. And proceeded to core center of column and luckily only took out a thermostat conduit n wiring. Never mind the device was directly below him and the conduit exited the wall directly above him......none of that mattered.
Needless to say I don’t think he appreciated my showing up at the project at 5 this morning to educate his *******. Now I’ll be spending a few hours today doing damage control.
I don’t think training works anymore. This was my yesterday. We’re retrofitting an older CMU constructed jail with new controls and camera system right now. Another words a **** load of new conduit and cores.
Prior to commencement they wanted me to X-ray all the penetrations. I said nope and here’s why...you don’t ever core here nor there and it’s always safe here and here. Ain’t doing it and don’t worry about it........famous last words
So yesterday my newest journeyman obviously didn’t understand “core here or there and nowhere else”. And proceeded to core center of column and luckily only took out a thermostat conduit n wiring. Never mind the device was directly below him and the conduit exited the wall directly above him......none of that mattered.
Needless to say I don’t think he appreciated my showing up at the project at 5 this morning to educate his *******. Now I’ll be spending a few hours today doing damage control.
The shortage of trainable help is astounding. The garage door kid had the balls to tell me there was no wrong or right way to fix the problem but his way was the fastest. I almost grabbed him by his shoulder length hair. I tried to explain that cutting off the bottom of the high-lift track changes the geometry of the lift angle. He told me I didn't know what I was talking about. When I told the regional rep about that exchange he said " SEE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT !! MOST OF THESE INSTALLERS DON'T !!"Damn John, the hits just keep on coming. I don’t know what to think about our current labor source.
I don’t think training works anymore. This was my yesterday. We’re retrofitting an older CMU constructed jail with new controls and camera system right now. Another words a **** load of new conduit and cores.
Prior to commencement they wanted me to X-ray all the penetrations. I said nope and here’s why...you don’t ever core here nor there and it’s always safe here and here. Ain’t doing it and don’t worry about it........famous last words
So yesterday my newest journeyman obviously didn’t understand “core here or there and nowhere else”. And proceeded to core center of column and luckily only took out a thermostat conduit n wiring. Never mind the device was directly below him and the conduit exited the wall directly above him......none of that mattered.
Needless to say I don’t think he appreciated my showing up at the project at 5 this morning to educate his *******. Now I’ll be spending a few hours today doing damage control.
Ya know the old ways worked when you and I were ******* punks. If belittling didn’t get you inline, it was let’s go out to the street and loser buys a round and let’s go back to work.
Now it’s a **** show of “oh he hurt my feelings”.
Now it’s a **** show of “oh he hurt my feelings”.
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I coached HS basketball for 17 years. The last few the AD or principal were constantly sticking their noses in to let me know what I was not allowed to say to the kids ( I never used the words we heard from coaches either). Parents had come to complain about me, but not to my face.
shortykorte
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I guess Junior forgot who actually pays his wages. I’m glad a call to HQ might have thinks moving in the right direction.
Blue door? How am I supposed to find the door at night?
Blue door? How am I supposed to find the door at night?
Bob Heine
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I'm so glad I'm old. I no longer hire people to work on my stuff. The last crew that worked on my rotted garage wall used a tape measure to 'eyeball' the length of the studs and cut the studs while holding one end up off the ground. When one stud was more than an inch short the kid used his pneumatic nailer to fill the void with 30 10p nails. Foreman said it would be fixed but they put the exterior sheathing up anyway. Owner of the company got it fixed when I said there would be no further payments until it was. Told him to cancel the repairs on the other wall and I would do the wiring, insulation, 5/8" drywall, compound and paint on the one they framed myself. Had there been a hint of competence in his crews I would have forked over the $5K to finish the job. It wasn't the money. It was the disasters they would hide -- I'm going to have trouble sleeping just thinking about it.