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New IRWIN pliers made in Germany !!!!

bob15

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Up until (at least) 2012, the 'Made in Germany' label was applied if the final manufacturing process took place in Germany, even if 90% of the product was made elsewhere (e.g., China). In 2012, the EU was pushing to require 45% or more of the product be made in Germany to get the label, but I do not know if the measure passed. Can anyone add to that?

I don't believe that law has passed yet.

Their (Germany) current labeling is similar to Proto/Stanley back in the 1990's when the FTC fined them for calling tools "made in the USA" when they were only finish polished here in the States.
 
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Irwin finally offers professional grade hand tools for the first time since 1885
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Right, after destroying the Vise Grip brand name with chinese dreck. No one who got burned by the chinese **** will ever pay a premium for a Vise Grip labeled tool again.
 

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Right, after destroying the Vise Grip brand name with chinese dreck. No one who got burned by the chinese **** will ever pay a premium for a Vise Grip labeled tool again.

Vise grips were never "premium priced".
 

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Vise grips were never "premium priced".


But the re-branded NWS's are. I have several NWS pliers and I'll buy "real" NWS long before I'll buy anything with the Vise Grips label on it.

Irwin "**** the bed" when they off-shored Vise Grips production to china and closed American factories. I, for one, am not about to welcome them back with open arms just because they are now re-branding German pliers - I'd rather buy the German pliers. YMMV.
 
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I would like to have the 9.5" linesman pliers in the NWS version, only problem is I can't find them anywhere. They are listed on the website as a new product. Their other linesman pliers were a tad smaller so I wonder if they came out with the 9.5" version for Irwin to satisfy the US market
 

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But the re-branded NWS's are. I have several NWS pliers and I'll buy "real" NWS long before I'll buy anything with the Vise Grips label on it.

Irwin "**** the bed" when they off-shored Vise Grips production to china and closed American factories. I, for one, am not about to welcome them back with open arms just because they are now re-branding German pliers - I'd rather buy the German pliers. YMMV.

+1 I feel the exact same way.
 

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But the re-branded NWS's are. I have several NWS pliers and I'll buy "real" NWS long before I'll buy anything with the Vise Grips label on it.

Irwin "**** the bed" when they off-shored Vise Grips production to china and closed American factories. I, for one, am not about to welcome them back with open arms just because they are now re-branding German pliers - I'd rather buy the German pliers. YMMV.

Totally agree . I was upset when I realized this, Craftsmans locking pliers are China also. Makes me sick, my solution is to find the older USA made versions at the flea markets .
 

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But the re-branded NWS's are. I have several NWS pliers and I'll buy "real" NWS long before I'll buy anything with the Vise Grips label on it.

Irwin "**** the bed" when they off-shored Vise Grips production to china and closed American factories. I, for one, am not about to welcome them back with open arms just because they are now re-branding German pliers - I'd rather buy the German pliers. YMMV.

This is exactly how I feel! :thumbup:
 

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More expensive than than NWS, and rebranded by a company that off shored American jobs.

No brainer… If I really want these, I will buy the NWS version.
 

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Can anyone provided a first hand review of the PowerSlot Diagonal Cutters? I need something with a little more leverage to cut nails off on 1 particular job I do regularly. It's a real struggle.
 

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Mike007,

The Irwin PowerSlot diagonal cutters are rebadged NWS Fantasticos. Here is an older review comparing the NWS Fantastico with the Knipex Cobolt bolt cutters by member "vintagefan" in thread posting #58: LINK.


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WOW. I stopped by Irwin as much as possible because they became very cheap in quality. They used to make great tools though. Maybe they will again.
 

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Found out today a local Ace Hardware has picked these up. This is one of the older locations full of all kinds of gems you won't find at your typical Ace, so your mileage may vary. Suburban Ace Hardware in the west Portland Oregon suburbs, to be specific. Looks like they had the full lineup minus the pistol grip models.

 
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For sure. I can't stand the thought of buying their stuff. They had like an 80% share of locking pliers sales and STILL moved them to China to raise the profit margin. It's not like a competitor was forcing their hand.

Irwin is China's best friend.

I'm with you. Just evil thing to do to the workers.
 

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I was at Lowes today and they have these German made pliers in stock. They seemed pretty nice but Dykes were $39 and change and the bent nose were $49 and change. Right next to them were Kobalt for about 1/3rd the price (seemed okay but obviously not as well made) and Channel Locks for a bit less.

I wouldn't mind having a few different ones but at a cheaper price point and proven quality I'm thinking Channel Locks would be a better bargain.
 

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Totally agree . I was upset when I realized this, Craftsmans locking pliers are China also. Makes me sick, my solution is to find the older USA made versions at the flea markets .

not trying to de-rail this thread - but you do realize that doing that just serves to to further hurt the US economy and job market.. like it or not, new sales still support SOME jobs here in the US - from the people uloading the boats at the docks, to the girl at the register ringing you up. although i completely agree about rather having more jobs stay in the US, i just get a kick out of reading how not supporting ANY of those people is "the answer" to supporting jobs..

but anyway - i was just about to buy a set of the NWS pliers last night until i saw just how small the jaws open at the full position.. so yes, these will give incredible leverage if you are only cutting small items, but you are hugely limited at what you CAN cut, so these may not be replacing everyone's diagonal cutters. also, your hands have to do alot more moving to get them open to full position, so i kinda wish they had a spring loaded option. even after buying and using many different makes and styles, i still think its very hard to compete with the compound cutting Crescent diagonal cutters and lineman pliers. funnier still, is that they are some of the cheapest you can find, - $24 for the set at sears, and they give you BOTH a great mechanical advantge, and a large opening, not to mention spring loaded handles.. i really think these give you the best of everything - BUT i still might try a pair of the NWS

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The crescent is ok. The jaw opening is still much smaller than a smaller proto cutter. With the handles spread fully apart to an almost 180 degrees the jaw opening is a little more. Agreed the spring load is nice and I also like the jaw lock. Handles are also good.
 

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Prices are coming down for at least some of them.

Model 1902413 (Max-Leverage Pliers with PowerSlot, Diagonal Cutting, 8-inch ) is at about $26 on ebay (something must have happened because ebay has been swamped with them in the last days), including free shipping. This is a very decent price in my opinion, but I would expect prices to come down still further. I assume this will end similar to the Knipex pliers at Lowes a year ago - the last ones at Lowes were dirt cheap, as you remember.

Model 1902419 (Long Nose Ergonomic Multi Plier, 8-inch) is currently at 29.98 at my local Lowes. I guess we are going to see some on ebay at even lower prices soon.

These prices are, to my best knowledge, already somewhat lower than what you pay for the original NWS in the US. If you are not in a hurry, I would wait - I expect prices to come down for all other models as well. Maybe someone has some insider information on how these actually sell? At Lowes, they put these NWS models next to China made Irwins which look very similar, with the result that you have a bunch of Irwin pliers at $10-15, and then suddenly two similarly looking pliers at $30-40. I think it would be surprising if this works. It has been a marketing mistake from the beginning, because if Irwin says that these NWS pliers are expensive because they are high quality, then they implicitly say that all their other pliers are ****...But when they don't say anything (like they do right now), people wonder why they should pay 2 or even 3 times more for these pliers that just look as any other Irwin pliers (for most people, I guess). It is somehow sad because I liked the idea that Irwin finally sells higher-quality pliers, but I don't see this persist. If it doesn't work out, Irwin probably is going to say that they tried to sell higher-quality tools, but the public don't want them and prefers cheap China tools, which of course would neglect the flaws in their marketing strategy and communication. Ok, sorry for the long post - just my two cents....
 

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My 3 nearby Lowes has the ergonomic angled pliers in stock only. 1 store has them discounted to $28.99 while the rest are full price at $39.99.

I just purchased a set of 5 pliers (large linesman w/crimp, short needle nose, bent needle nose, 8" cutters, ergonomic needle nose), new in packaging, from an Ebay seller for $95 shipped.

I also see that the Lowes.com has removed almost all the rebranded Irwin made in germany pliers from their website. Looks like they won't be carrying them anymore.

Amazon still has all the Irwin pliers at full prices.
 
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