New Klein pliers wrench, D530-10

[merkyworks]

Just saw these new Klein pliers wrench and wanted to share. seems like a good idea with the bottom jaw being able to flip around and go from smooth jaw to serrated jaw. Anyone had a chance to try these yet?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Klein-Tools-10-in-Plier-Wrench-D53010SEN/322405355

 

[KnurledNut]

Oh man...

 

[neophyte]

Don’t like the yellow grips.
(Dirty yellow reminds me of puss covered subway tile)
Idea looks interesting.
I’d actually like someone yo put a set screw in the handles to prevent over stress on lower strength plumbing fittings.

 

[neophyte]

Just watched the video on the Home Depot website.
If Klein made soft jaw covers for these for fitting you don’t want to scratch, they’d be almost perfect.

 

[neophyte]

So I presume HD has decent stock amounts of these, at least for online orders.

 

[LXCam]

Klein tongue n groove pliers have never fit fittings or conduit worth a **** where as channel lock did. This looks pretty gimmicky, think I’ll pass.

 

[neophyte]

There is a picture of the back of the packaging over on Reddit.
It looks like the jaw will be available as a separate part, for when it inevitably gets dropped and lost.

 

[sparky 1971]

The Klein made versions of "Channellock" pliers is junk. The good versions are rebranded NWS. These might be the same.

I use Knipex, but don't care for the pliers wrench.

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[four.cycle]

^ Thanks, sparky... You just made the decision for me.

(* it may be worth mentioning at this point that a Chinese manufacturer is counterfeiting "NWS" product:
Wait / Wait Tools, No.1 Road, Daxin Town, Zhangjiagang City, Jiangsu Province, China / https://www.waittools.com / est. 2001 / manufacturers of counterfeit NWS pliers 11/15/22 / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/nws-knockoff-on-aliexpress.506450/ *)

 

[acer66]

I just got a Knipex and am using a Gedore for awhile now.
The Knipex seems to a bit more finicky to adjust than the Gedore.

Really amazing tools imho.

 

[Renegade1LI]

I just bought a 3 pcs set of knipex, really don't like them. I just bought 2 pair of these for pick up tomorrow, will see how they are. I have to say channellocks are hard to beat, they work well & take a beating.

 

[09Q]

Yet this Klein Pliers Wrench, model D53010SEN only seems available on Home Depot's website and isn't listed on Klein's website either. Does anyone have an image of the backside of the packaging for this product?

 

[Bubba Fett]

A MIUSA-WGC pliers wrench for $50 is awesome. Not sure I like the reversible lower jaw. Looks like it could easily be lost.

 

[09Q]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tools/comments/zawxwq
Found several images of this Klein pliers.

 

[anndel]

Pass, can't beat a Channellock tongue groove pliers.

 

[Renegade1LI]

Yjey were out of stock in store but I ordered 2 pair on line, should be here by tuesday.

 

[Etchase]

I have never let GJ talk me into buying a tool, but I’m scheduled for curbside pickup tomorrow.

 

[GeoBruin]

So these look really cool, and I'm glad to see someone innovate a little rather than do a straight rip off of the Knipex pliers wrench. That said, I have a question about the design: wouldn't all the gripping power come from the top jaw? I'm thinking about all the tools designed to bite and turn round pipe or shafts like water pump pliers, Channellocks and pipe wrenches and it's like the bottom jaw is really just something for the top jaw to lever against while the top jaw does the pulling. I'm having a hard time explaining but hopefully you catch my drift.

So in the case of these, that top jaw is not only flat, meaning very little contact area with a round pipe, but it also has no teeth. The bottom jaw is the one designed for a round pipe but it's being pulled "away" from the pipe rather than being pulled into the pipe when pressure is put on the handle.

Maybe I'm wrong and there is some sort of relativity theory of wrench jaws where both sides exert equal and opposite gripping power.

Thoughts?

 

[Renegade1LI]

Just received 2 pair today, they feel nice, I like the release mechanism better than knipex. The reversible jaw i think will be the weak point, hope they sell extras. These will get abused in the next few days, giving them to a fitter crew doing some small pipe, up to 2". I want them to beat them up like their channellocks, don't hold back and we'll see what's left.

 

[HamAndEggs]

Anyone else feel like they will betray Knipex by buying these?

 

[Renegade1LI]

Anyone else feel like they will betray Knipex by buying these?

Not sure about the knipex hype, bought a set a few weeks ago, not impressed for production work. We'll see how the Kleins do, but so far channellocks & an adjustable wrench work way better.

 

[Rabid Badger]

So these look really cool, and I'm glad to see someone innovate a little rather than do a straight rip off of the Knipex pliers wrench. That said, I have a question about the design: wouldn't all the gripping power come from the top jaw?

The top handle acts on the lower jaw. The upper jaw is playing the role of back-stop, allowing the lower jaw to dig in.

Combine that with teeth coming in from two different angles, and these should be able to get a pretty good grip.

 

[neophyte]

Anyone else feel like they will betray Knipex by buying these?

The Kleins cost about the same as the Knipex.
One is made in Germany, the other in the USA.
Knipex still offers way more sizes, and a few other variations.

 

[Bubba Fett]

HJE has these, now. Look under "New Items".

 

[jsackin]

HJE has these, now. Look under "New Items".

Put a special Super Secret Garage Journal price on them too

 

[Etchase]

Mine came swimming in oil, with a little puddle in the packaging. They provide a lot of gripping force. I don’t like the Knipex, because of the adjustment button location. Klein gives us that adjustment lever which allows me to keep my hand on the handle when changing sizes, which I find to be a big advantage. The jaw is not going to fall off. It takes some jostling to change the jaw, but might get pretty easy with more practice. Plenty of grip with the teeth. I like the Klein so far. I gave away my Knipex, and had been using the self adjusting Kobalts. Will be switching to the Klein’s at least for awhile. Here’s the back of the package

 

[four.cycle]

wait.... what??

secret decoder ring?


oooo.... look at the pretty boxes they got in! wow!

 

[fatfillup]

For you guys new to Knipex, you need to break them in a bit and they will get smoother. Have been using them for over 20 years on pipes and fittings working on pressure washers and they can't be beat. I have worn out several pair and likely own 20 pair between various shops, boxes, trucks and home

They will out perform Channellock on pipe all day long, it isn't even close. And I do own and use Channelocks

As to the Kleins, interesting if you need the smooth jaw

 

[Renegade1LI]

Interesting they list the replacement jaw on the package, I see it getting lost might order one or two. I'll say this about chanellocks, probably every fitter, plumber & electrician in NYC uses them, I've never seen anything else. I gave out some Knipex & Kleins this week, so I'll see how they are liked.

 

[GeoBruin]

It's really frustrating watching everyone in this thread refer to brand names instead of tool names. Yes, the name Channelock is synonymous with tongue and groove pliers, but they make every other kind of plier under the sun. As for Knipex, yes, they make widely known waterpump pliers that are great on pipe, but they are also widely known for their pliers wrench (to which the subject Klein tool is very similar) with smooth, parallel jaws that aren't worth a damn on round pipe.

Unfortunately, the subject tool has a very similar design to the pliers wrench but has a reconfigurable jaw that allows it to function on round pipe, so that adds to the confusion. In short, this is a tool designed to function on both square/hex fasteners/fittings with parallel flats, as well as round pipe and round fittings by flipping the lower jaw. Therefore, it must be compared to something like a pliers wrench (as well as adjustable wrenches) but also to tongue and groove or waterpump pliers (and pipe wrenches for that matter). To pick one other the other and say this tool performs better for worse is missing the whole point.

 

[Handyandy23]

If you notice in this stock image, the throat of the pliers is too shallow for the fitting and bottoms out. This leaves the fitting only touching a single tooth on the bottom jaw, and then hitting smooth flats in the throat as well as on the top jaw.

Makes it seem like the geometry here isn't very effective. Normal water pump style pliers with a throat deep enough for the fitting you're gripping would have four contact points (two on top, two on bottom) at the very least on teeth. This is touching a single tooth and then squeezing it with a bunch of smooth surfaces. That single tooth is going to bear almost all of the force.

 

[GeoBruin]

If you notice in this stock image, the throat of the pliers is too shallow for the fitting and bottoms out. This leaves the fitting only touching a single tooth on the bottom jaw, and then hitting smooth flats in the throat as well as on the top jaw.

Makes it seem like the geometry here isn't very effective. Normal water pump style pliers with a throat deep enough for the fitting you're gripping would have four contact points (two on top, two on bottom) at the very least on teeth. This is touching a single tooth and then squeezing it with a bunch of smooth surfaces. That single tooth is going to bear almost all of the force.

Agreed. It seems like a bad choice for a marketing photo. On even a slightly smaller fitting it would have fit much better. This goes along with my concern posted above about only having teeth on the bottom and as a result, the teeth being on the "pushing" side rather than the "pulling" side. We'll have to see how they work in practice.

 

[Ton ton]

Mine came swimming in oil, with a little puddle in the packaging. They provide a lot of gripping force. I don’t like the Knipex, because of the adjustment button location. Klein gives us that adjustment lever which allows me to keep my hand on the handle when changing sizes, which I find to be a big advantage. The jaw is not going to fall off. It takes some jostling to change the jaw, but might get pretty easy with more practice. Plenty of grip with the teeth. I like the Klein so far. I gave away my Knipex, and had been using the self adjusting Kobalts. Will be switching to the Klein’s at least for awhile. Here’s the back of the package

It's somewhat normal to find Klein tools swimming in oil. Beats rust.

 

[Renegade1LI]

It's really frustrating watching everyone in this thread refer to brand names instead of tool names. Yes, the name Channelock is synonymous with tongue and groove pliers, but they make every other kind of plier under the sun. As for Knipex, yes, they make widely known waterpump pliers that are great on pipe, but they are also widely known for their pliers wrench (to which the subject Klein tool is very similar) with smooth, parallel jaws that aren't worth a damn on round pipe.

Unfortunately, the subject tool has a very similar design to the pliers wrench but has a reconfigurable jaw that allows it to function on round pipe, so that adds to the confusion. In short, this is a tool designed to function on both square/hex fasteners/fittings with parallel flats, as well as round pipe and round fittings by flipping the lower jaw. Therefore, it must be compared to something like a pliers wrench (as well as adjustable wrenches) but also to tongue and groove or waterpump pliers (and pipe wrenches for that matter). To pick one other the other and say this tool performs better for worse is missing the whole point.

Usually on the job if someone asked for a pair of channellocks that would be a 430, thats like the standard. I don't think anyone ever asked for a pair of 10" channellock tongue & groove pliers, kinda like a skilsaw. I'm hoping the klein plier wrench works out, I like klein tools & it's USA made & sourced.

 

[Ton ton]

Usually on the job if someone asked for a pair of channellocks that would be a 430, thats like the standard. I don't think anyone ever asked for a pair of 10" channellock tongue & groove pliers, kinda like a skilsaw. I'm hoping the klein plier wrench works out, I like klein tools & it's USA made & sourced.

I am more of a 420 channellock fan. LOL. But I get your point.

 

[Bubba Fett]

It's really frustrating watching everyone in this thread refer to brand names instead of tool names. Yes, the name Channelock is synonymous with tongue and groove pliers, but they make every other kind of plier under the sun. As for Knipex, yes, they make widely known waterpump pliers that are great on pipe, but they are also widely known for their pliers wrench (to which the subject Klein tool is very similar) with smooth, parallel jaws that aren't worth a damn on round pipe.

Unfortunately, the subject tool has a very similar design to the pliers wrench but has a reconfigurable jaw that allows it to function on round pipe, so that adds to the confusion. In short, this is a tool designed to function on both square/hex fasteners/fittings with parallel flats, as well as round pipe and round fittings by flipping the lower jaw. Therefore, it must be compared to something like a pliers wrench (as well as adjustable wrenches) but also to tongue and groove or waterpump pliers (and pipe wrenches for that matter). To pick one other the other and say this tool performs better for worse is missing the whole point.

They are called Channellock pliers because that's what Champion de Arment Tool Company, named them. The pliers were so popular that they renamed the whole company after them. So it isn't really wrong to call them Channellocks at all.

 

[Renegade1LI]

I am more of a 420 channellock fan. LOL. But I get your point.

I could give em 420s or 430s they're pretty close. If you need bigger than get a pipe wrench.

 

[Bigblue&Goldie]

I was kinda excited until I saw the reversible jaw. One of my favorite features of the Knipex is the smooth jaws, so this is nothing more than a possible obstruction or failure point for my use. I'll pass.