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theamcguy

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Looks like Knipex has updated the Pliers Wrench, lighter, thinner, some new features. Looks like the part numbers did not change. How to tell if the tool you order is the new or the old one? Anyone know when the new tools will be in stock?
 
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Looks like Knipex has updated the Pliers Wrench, lighter, thinner, some new features. Looks like the part numbers did not change. How to tell if the tool you order is the new or the old one? Anyone know when the new tools will be in stock?
Are you sure? The announcement I saw earlier in the month showed different SKUs.

The new ones also have a dark finish, allowing for easier differentiation.

Where did you see that existing tools are being updated?
 

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Oh.

86 03 250 has same model number. That's going to be a problem.

Side by side, there are differences in the jaws and handles.

It's going to be confusing for a while unless distributors differentiate between the two.
 

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Oh.

86 03 250 has same model number. That's going to be a problem.

Side by side, there are differences in the jaws and handles.

It's going to be confusing for a while unless distributors differentiate between the two.

I'm not sure what you mean. Are they still offering the chrome finish, smooth plastic handle 86 03 250 with updates, in addition to the new black finish, textured plastic handle 86 01 250?

I was under the impression the 86 01 250 was replacing the 86 03 250.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean. Are they still offering the chrome finish, smooth plastic handle 86 03 250 with updates, in addition to the new black finish, textured plastic handle 86 01 250?

I was under the impression the 86 01 250 was replacing the 86 03 250.
Before LB-1911 commented, I believed the same as you.

After looking at his links, I saw that there's a new 86 03 250 .

The new 86 03 250 looks to have the same new jaws as the black finish version, and there are textured differences in the handles.

https://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1368&groupID=1500&artID=2959

https://www.knipex.com/fileadmin/si...es/KNIPEX/Produktfotos/print/8603250-04-1.jpg

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71lvvg3-GyL._SL1500_.jpg

Amazon image is the current/previous, the Knipex is what I now agree/believe is the current/future model.
 

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Oh interesting. So the 86 03 250 is becoming a chrome, smooth grip version of the new 86 01 250.

There will of course be some transition period where v1 inventory gets flushed out and replaced with v2. To OP's original question, there probably isn't a way to know which version you're getting unless it's called out in the item description (unlikely) or you ask the vendor (results would vary).
 

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When they said 15% lighter, what I heard is we now use less steel to manufacture it - so its cheaper for us to make.
 

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When they said 15% lighter, what I heard is we now use less steel to manufacture it - so its cheaper for us to make.

That's a BS answer. So long as the tool doesn't trade off on capabilities, lighter is better.

As for cheaper, this is totally BS. Lighter (without trading off strength) either requires more machining, better alloys, or just an improvement in design.

I'm not sure I like the new design more though. What sort of black finish is that, and how will it hold up compared to the chrome (or the nickel ones that I have)?
 

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Meh, that crinkle finish black will just be harder to clean. Same with the handles. I can never get my Cobra's looking as good as my PliersWrenches. IMO the Cobra's and now these new PliersWrenches look cheaper

Ofcourse, I could just be saying this to make myself feel better about having the old style ones :bounce:
 

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Meh, that crinkle finish black will just be harder to clean. Same with the handles. I can never get my Cobra's looking as good as my PliersWrenches. IMO the Cobra's and now these new PliersWrenches look cheaper

Ofcourse, I could just be saying this to make myself feel better about having the old style ones :bounce:


I think I saw the new style PW in a video in chrome and with / without the comfort grips too. I bet they will be along soon.

The Cobras are available (have been) in chrome as well in 7", 10", 12".

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My recommendation is to not buy the Chrome. It all peels off the jaws in no time.
 

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I find black oxide to be a less corrosion resistant layer to chrome. I have black oxide tools and they get spots of corrosion on them that I have to apply oil to. I don't see that with my chrome tools.

I've had 2 identical sets of very small diagonal cutters from Knipex at work that had the chrome begin peeling off the jaws. I contacted Knipex, went through their warranty process to return them and they were replaced.

I would like to understand why they have redesigned the pliers wrench. What were the observations of shortcomings in the original that needed this redesign? I never thought weight to be an issue, the small tools are light, and by time you get to the 400 size Pliers wrench, of course its heavy.. Does anyone ever think their adjustable wrenches are just too heavy? Not trying to nay-say the series 2, just want to understand what the improvements are or if this is just marketing department's chance to try and sell more rather than engineering department making real improvements.
 

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I consider my money spent on the Pliers Wrench to be wasted.

Not a good wrench, crappy pliers.

My opinion.
 

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I consider my money spent on the Pliers Wrench to be wasted.

Not a good wrench, crappy pliers.

My opinion.
I disagree.

But plier wrench is just a name. Not meant to replace either tool.

They are great for medium torque situations in odd ball jobs. I use them all the time in NG and LP fittings, plumbing fixtures, etc... Other random fittings and fixtures, square fasteners. Anywhere I'm not carrying a wrench set.

Essentially a MUCH better adjustable/crescent wrench.

Also makes a great make shift sheetmetal brake.

Also make

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The news was shared here in GJ in TOOLS FROM THE OLD WORLD back in October, here is a link to the video release

 

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Here's a direct comparison video as well:



I like the older style if for no other reason than the handles closing a bit closer together. Better to get more squeezing power.

Ordered a couple of 300mm ones from Zoro with the 20% discount code they're currently running, hopefully they're old stock.
 

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My two local menards still has full stock of old style pier wrenches. I've been waiting too handle the new style.

Anyone interested in getting the old style ones, or exchanging a set of new style for old style, check menards if you have one.

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In looking over the video clips they said that knipex will phase out the old design in favor of the newer design, could someone explain this to me, is the old design not good enough?
 

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My recommendation is to not buy the Chrome. It all peels off the jaws in no time.

+1 The chrome job is not the greatest. I've had some chrome come off mine. The only change that I don't like about the new ones is that the handles close wider. I'll probably buy up some old ones before inventory dries up for sizes I want to add.
 

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+1 The chrome job is not the greatest. I've had some chrome come off mine. The only change that I don't like about the new ones is that the handles close wider. I'll probably buy up some old ones before inventory dries up for sizes I want to add.

Bought my first 10" Pliers-Wrench in February of 2013, use it pretty often for both turning fasteners and bending/shaping sheet metal. It lives in my road box in the trunk of my daily driver, rattling around with other pliers and wrenches. The chrome on it is just fine, no peeling or flaking. *shrug*
 

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Bought my first 10" Pliers-Wrench in February of 2013, use it pretty often for both turning fasteners and bending/shaping sheet metal. It lives in my road box in the trunk of my daily driver, rattling around with other pliers and wrenches. The chrome on it is just fine, no peeling or flaking. *shrug*


I use mine more that ^^^ type of thing than turning fasteners. The flat parallel jaws are great.

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