New napa tool line

[kevinz]

my local napa had the wrench sets in stock. they appear to be very nice, but i'm a little concerned about the price point vs. COO. the metric set i inquired about was around $125. that seems a little steep for wrenches coming from taiwan. but then again, my matco infinium stuff came from taiwan and were no cheap tools either. so who knows. well, they are about half the price of the truck brand wrenches, so i guess that's a plus. it'd be nice if they lowered the price when i get ready to buy some good wrenches.

 

[mudflap]

Shhhhhhhh we're waiting to clog up the site with new threads when we've amassed enough stuff.

Ok but seriously, i'm putting in a new order today and picking up my first order tonite.

I also just farted and picked my nose.

LOL.........

 

[thejudges69]

my local napa had the wrench sets in stock. they appear to be very nice, but i'm a little concerned about the price point vs. COO. the metric set i inquired about was around $125. that seems a little steep for wrenches coming from taiwan. but then again, my matco infinium stuff came from taiwan and were no cheap tools either. so who knows. well, they are about half the price of the truck brand wrenches, so i guess that's a plus. it'd be nice if they lowered the price when i get ready to buy some good wrenches.

Wonka Wonka Wonka, were on page 7 of the whining regarding price vs coo who cares, if they were sold on a tool truck they'd be the best thing ever.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

Wonka Wonka Wonka, were on page 7 of the whining regarding price vs coo who cares, if they were sold on a tool truck they'd be the best thing ever.

^ Man of wisdom

 

[thejudges69]

^ Man of wisdom

Sarcasm perhaps? Or TS

 

[NC-Fordguy]

Sarcasm perhaps? Or TS

No sarcasm. You hit the nail on the head

 

[thejudges69]

Copy, just checking and I'm only stating the facts. If it was sold on a tool truck it could be made in Bolivia and be well worth the money anything else is never worthy of owning

 

[Hiball]

Copy, just checking and I'm only stating the facts. If it was sold on a tool truck it could be made in Bolivia and be well worth the money anything else is never worthy of owning

LOL at Facts... Rebranded/Import Truck tools is NOT fashionable here at GJ <--- at least not in the 3+ years ive been here.

 

[Bull]

This feels like the Durlalast drama of a year or two ago.

 

[boostedgt]

5 years down the road there will be no carlyle brand anymore and people will be getting $3 napa wrenches in exchange for thier broken top dollar taiwan fad tools. at least matco will still be around for warranty.

 

[gtlaw]

Copy, just checking and I'm only stating the facts. If it was sold on a tool truck it could be made in Bolivia and be well worth the money anything else is never worthy of owning

your wrong. if these were made in america we would all be excited to try them out no matter where they were sold

 

[thejudges69]

your wrong. if these were made in america we would all be excited to try them out no matter where they were sold

This i highly doubt. People will find something to complain about regarding them and how the tool truck brands are so much better.

 

[thejudges69]

I don't agree.

The recently released Mac imported wrenches that look life FACOM and the Matco Silver Eagle tools aren't talked about or hailed very much here.

How much do you read about Blue Point here? Not a ton.

While there are people here who love the truck brands, there are lots of members who like good value in tools, often USA made tools. That's why Wright, Williams and Armstrong seem to get talked about so much, IMO. Tool nerds find some quality tools that can often be had for bargains.

That's why I'm not surprised by the reaction of some people to the Carlyle tools. They look nice, but they sure don't seem to be a value for what they are.

How can you say you don't see the value? Tell me where the value is in a set of 469.00 snap on wrenches equivalent to the Carlyle wrench sets. The value is no different, American made, Taiwan made but yet at the end of the day they seem to do the same job the same way.

 

[SMKS]

How can you say you don't see the value? Tell me where the value is in a set of 469.00 snap on wrenches equivalent to the Carlyle wrench sets. The value is no different, American made, Taiwan made but yet at the end of the day they seem to do the same job the same way.

You should re-read my post. I didn't say there was value in Snap-On tools. I said there was value in Wright, Williams and some Armstrong.

I'm not one of the tool-truck lovers here. Are they good tools? Yes, but I'm sure not willing to pay tool truck prices.

 

[thejudges69]

You should re-read my post. I didn't say there was value in Snap-On tools. I said there was value in Wright, Williams and some Armstrong.

You should reread mine, I never mentioned these brands I referred to truck tools

 

[SMKS]

You should reread mine, I never mentioned these brands I referred to truck tools

You should re-read your own posts.

While trying to argue with me you automatically acted like I was pushing Snap-On, which I'm not.

 

[thejudges69]

I'm not trying to argue all I said was that if it was sold on a truck it would be the best thing ever and everyone would want it.

 

[Hiball]

How can you say you don't see the value? Tell me where the value is in a set of 469.00 snap on wrenches equivalent to the Carlyle wrench sets. The value is no different, American made, Taiwan made but yet at the end of the day they seem to do the same job the same way.

I guess the same could be said for a $12.99 set from HF.... Obviously Not Everyone needs Snap on Tools, I just think the Price Point is kinda Weird. Who are they trying to compete with?

 

[SMKS]

I'm not trying to argue all I said was that if it was sold on a truck it would be the best thing ever and everyone would want it.

And I said I don't agree and pointed to examples of tool truck tools that are imported and people here don't talk about very often.

In fact, rather than do it all over again, I'll just quote it below...

I don't agree.

The recently released Mac imported wrenches that look life FACOM and the Matco Silver Eagle tools aren't talked about or hailed very much here.

How much do you read about Blue Point here? Not a ton.

While there are people here who love the truck brands, there are lots of members who like good value in tools, often USA made tools. That's why Wright, Williams and Armstrong seem to get talked about so much, IMO. Tool nerds find some quality tools that can often be had for bargains.

That's why I'm not surprised by the reaction of some people to the Carlyle tools. They look nice, but they sure don't seem to be a value for what they are.

Not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out that the whole argument is back to where it started.

 

[thejudges69]

I guess the same could be said for a $12.99 set from HF.... Obviously Not Everyone needs Snap on Tools, I just think the Price Point is kinda Weird. Who are they trying to compete with?

They apparently see value in there tools, dealers have said there needs to be a price adjustment already because there to high.

 

[Hiball]

And I said I don't agree and pointed to examples of tool truck tools that are imported and people here don't talk about very often.

+1...

And Judge please dont take my comments as "Arguing" either, The carlye tools look Great in pictures. Im just leary of these Autopart house brands, They normally come and go and there quality isnt exempt from this pattern.

They apparently see value in there tools, dealers have said there needs to be a price adjustment already because there to high.

Well Obviously Napa see's Value in there tools.. Im a little harder to persuade, its sounds like we have some diehard Carlye guys here, Lets see how things are going 5+ years from Now.

 

[thejudges69]

+1...

And Judge please dont take my comments as "Arguing" either, The carlye tools look Great in pictures. Im just leary of these Autopart house brands, They normally come and go and there quality isnt exempt from this pattern.

I'm not arguing with anyone, if we can't have a friendly debate without people hating on each other then what are we doing. I see good and bad points to these tools, I for one don't care about the coo. I care for longevity and durability.

 

[franzdom]

If their wrenches are so great why are the six points not offset 15 degrees? They are dead on center. There are little inconsistencies in the design of Carlyle tools that would not be excusable for a top truck brand. They haven't been around long enough to command the type of pricing they are proposing. If they don't fix that quickly the brand will not take off.

 

[thejudges69]

If their wrenches are so great why are the six points not offset 15 degrees? They are dead on center. There are little inconsistencies in the design of Carlyle tools that would not be excusable for a top truck brand. They haven't been around long enough to command the type of pricing they are proposing. If they don't fix that quickly the brand will not take off.

Ugg moving on unsubscribed

 

[Hiball]

Ugg moving on unsubscribed

LOL.. What happened to "Friendly Debate"?

 

[franzdom]

Ugg moving on unsubscribed

The truth hurts.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

I guess the same could be said for a $12.99 set from HF.... Obviously Not Everyone needs Snap on Tools, I just think the Price Point is kinda Weird. Who are they trying to compete with?

Interesting question.......

I'd say the price point is on par with wright, s & k, proto etc.

Tool truck brands are more expensive but part of that price is a truck coming to your shop.

Obviously some folks don't like the price, so the best move if you feel this way is don't buy them.
(Last sentence is NOT directed to any person in particular nor the person I quoted)

 

[SMKS]

This feels like the Durlalast drama of a year or two ago.

Ahh...those were some interesting threads to read.

This is a good point, but there's one major difference -

-Duralast tools are pretty cheap
-Carlyle tools aren't cheap

 

[NC-Fordguy]

5 years down the road there will be no carlyle brand anymore and people will be getting $3 napa wrenches in exchange for thier broken top dollar taiwan fad tools. at least matco will still be around for warranty.

You know this to be a fact??

If so why are you on a tool forum?? Your gifted crystal ball abilities should be picking stock futures or at the very least putting Ms Cleo out of business.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

If their wrenches are so great why are the six points not offset 15 degrees? They are dead on center. There are little inconsistencies in the design of Carlyle tools that would not be excusable for a top truck brand. They haven't been around long enough to command the type of pricing they are proposing. If they don't fix that quickly the brand will not take off.

I agree with your assertion about pricing and being new to a certain point. (Did I just type that? )

I looked at getting a set of 1/2 drive 6pt deep sockets. My cost was a little over 200 dollars. In this instance I felt the price was out of line. I elected not to buy

 

[OEXL16B]

I looked at getting a set of 1/2 drive 6pt deep sockets. My cost was a little over 200 dollars.

What would GearWrench cost you in those sizes?

 

[NC-Fordguy]

What would GearWrench cost you in those sizes?

I was looking at a set that went from 3/8 to 1&1/8.

Gearwrench doesn't have all of those sizes but wright and s&K does running around 150 dollars.

Crafty doesn't offer 3/8 and 7/16. 1/2 to 1 inch runs around 45 dollars. Add 1&1/16 and 1&1/8 for another $20.

I have a snappy set but have had that for years but I think that set runs around 450 nowadays.

I've been on a quest on who makes the better socket that doesn't break...Haven't found that yet

 

[Bull]

Ugg moving on unsubscribed

Why? He didn't say anything inflammatory.

Ahh...those were some interesting threads to read.

This is a good point, but there's one major difference -

-Duralast tools are pretty cheap
-Carlyle tools aren't cheap

I actually mentioned that in my first reply, which I accidentally deleted. It is an importnt difference.

 

[Fedwrench]

If their wrenches are so great why are the six points not offset 15 degrees? They are dead on center. There are little inconsistencies in the design of Carlyle tools that would not be excusable for a top truck brand. They haven't been around long enough to command the type of pricing they are proposing. If they don't fix that quickly the brand will not take off.

I haven't held one yet but, the picture of the 6 point combination appears to have the open end offset at 15 degrees to the boxed end. I'm not sure what your complaint is and since you're not going to buy any, it's a moot point

What would GearWrench cost you in those sizes?

A set of 1/2 drive deep chrome 6 point sockets in sizes 10-19 mm would run roughly $48.38 from Gearwrench. The Carlyle set runs into larger sizes than what's offered by Gearwrench in chrome.

I think the point everyone is missing is that NAPA has NEVER
been an inexpensive choice for buying hand tools. Their formally US made Danaher supplied tools were pricey unless on sale. Compare their prices in the current real deals flyer on Armstrong tools to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
Lastly, NO ONE is forcing anyone to buy Carlyle tools. As a country of choices, you can choose to buy whatever brand of tool you care to and can afford.
My original point in this thread was that NAPA has launched a new line of tools. If you're not interested, move on, there's nothing to see here. On the other hand, I think NAPA will sell these tools to many of the techs working in the small independent shops NAPA delivers to daily. Craftsman still has the best warranty, and may continue to sell the sets for pennies on the piece, despite moving production off shore but, for unique sizes and different lengths and styles, Carlyle will be another option especially if you don't have a tool truck visiting your shop. Enjoy your tools regardless of whose name is stamped on them and for those of you that want to bash without owning,

 

[franzdom]

I haven't held one yet but, the picture of the 6 point combination appears to have the open end offset at 15 degrees to the boxed end. I'm not sure what your complaint is and since you're not going to buy any, it's a moot point

The point was about the box end, it's broach is not offset at all, it's on point. I am not complaining, just pointing out an obvious weakness in their design. I am a design engineer, debating designs is a big part of what I do on a daily basis. Whether I buy one or not really is the moot point, not whether their design is sound or not. I feel it's important to debate these types of issues on this forum and you shouldn't get your ******* all in a bunch about it. This thread is not just for people who own these wrenches.

 

[boostedgt]

You know this to be a fact??

If so why are you on a tool forum?? Your gifted crystal ball abilities should be picking stock futures or at the very least putting Ms Cleo out of business.

you heard it here first.

I predicted hummer, saturn and scions demise. 2 outta 3 ain't bad

 

[Fedwrench]

The point was about the box end, it's broach is not offset at all, it's on point. I am not complaining, just pointing out an obvious weakness in their design. I am a design engineer, debating designs is a big part of what I do on a daily basis. Whether I buy one or not really is the moot point, not whether their design is sound or not. I feel it's important to debate these types of issues on this forum and you shouldn't get your ******* all in a bunch about it. This thread is not just for people who own these wrenches.

******* are not in a bunch. I'd rather form opinions on a tool from using it, or at least holding it to examine finish, feel, and balance at least. I can't form a through opinion from looking at a picture but, that's just me.

 

[OEXL16B]

I feel it's important to debate these types of issues on this forum and you shouldn't get your ******* all in a bunch about it.

GASP!! He said that to Fedwrench ?!?!?

 

[NC-Fordguy]

Seeing how this has now been beat to death, didn't someone in one of these carlye threads mention starting a show your carlyle tools thread??

Might be the thing to do?

 

[steelespeed]

The point was about the box end, it's broach is not offset at all, it's on point. I am not complaining, just pointing out an obvious weakness in their design.

What are you talking about here? I just looked at the 6-point combo wrench and it appears to me that the box end is at an angle to the beam.