New napa tool line

[Fedwrench]

Seeing how this has now been beat to death, didn't someone in one of these carlye threads mention starting a show your carlyle tools thread??

Might be the thing to do?

I don't think so. We've talked about many new tools and different brands here before but, I have never read the amount of negative comments about a new tool line before like in the carlyle threads. It could be that people object to a national parts chain introducing another imported tool line, they hate the name, people might not like blue and yellow ratchet handles, Merkava didn't like the part numbers, I don't know. I just find it odd that so many have gone off the deep end before the tools are widely in use. Oh well, to each their own, more tools to get and try out.

 

[concealer404]

Seeing how this has now been beat to death, didn't someone in one of these carlye threads mention starting a show your carlyle tools thread??

Might be the thing to do?

That would be me.

I think i'll start a new thread for each tool i get.

I just placed another order.

Everyone who loves everything USA-made should be looking at my for sale thread. Craftsman sockets FOR DAYYYYSSSSS. If you don't buy them, you hate America even more than those of us buying Carlyle tools.

 

[franzdom]

What are you talking about here? I just looked at the 6-point combo wrench and it appears to me that the box end is at an angle to the beam.

The end is at an angle to the beam but the broaching is on point. That means when you flip it around you aren't making any movement to the wrench.
The first pic is like Carlyle the second one is like major truck brand and many others.
Major truck brand also moves 12 pt by 7.5deg doing same thing, it's the little details.

 

[concealer404]

The end is at an angle to the beam but the broaching is on point. That means when you flip it around you aren't making any movement to the wrench.
The first pic is like Carlyle the second one is like major truck brand and many others.
Major truck brand also moves 12 pt by 7.5deg doing same thing, it's the little details.

.... If the box end is at an angle to the wrench anyways and you need to flip it every 10deg or so, chances that you'd be able to do it because of the angle of the box end are pretty slim.

If you're talking about the relationship between box and open ends, they're not in line.

I might be missing what you're talking about, though. What exactly are we flipping around?

I see no advantages or disadvantages to either way that you're showing up there, because the open end has been removed from the equation. Bolts aren't always oriented in the exact same way.

For the record, i'm not arguing for the sake of arguing... just trying to wrap my head around what you're saying.

 

[OEXL16B]

I might be missing what you're talking about, though.

Geez man ... he posted an image that explains it as plain as day.

 

[concealer404]

Geez man ... he posted an image that explains it as plain as day.

Right. And i clearly stated that i saw the image.

What i also clearly stated was that i don't understand why it matters the relation of the box end to the body of the wrench. It only matters the relation of the box end to the open end.

Either design requires the same exact angle to be turned before you can grab ahold of it again, because they're 6 points. So you have to be able to have 60 degrees of movement before you can grab the bolt again. (Again, ignoring the potential relation of the open end.)

If it's plain as day, feel free to explain to me why the orientation of the box end matters specifically in relation to the body of the wrench ONLY.

 

[franzdom]

Think of box end only. Move the bolt until the wrench hits an obstruction. Turn the wrench around (box end only) meaning flip it. Carlyle as pictured will make no difference, still at obstruction. Offset orientation will be able to move the nut, until wrench hits obstruction, then flip it over again and repeat.

 

[concealer404]

Think of box end only. Move the bolt until the wrench hits an obstruction. Turn the wrench around (box end only) meaning flip it. Carlyle as pictured will make no difference, still at obstruction. Offset orientation will be able to move the nut, until wrench hits obstruction, then flip it over again and repeat.

Ah ok, i get it now. That's what i needed.

That said, if i'm working on something tight enough for me to use a wrench, chances are that flipping a wrench that has an angled box end isn't going to work. I think i've only ever "flipped" open ends because the angle of the box end usually makes it impossible for me.

I wonder if that was a pre-production picture maybe. Let me see if i can get my hands on a 6pt.

Appreciate you explaining it. I just wasn't visualizing what would happen to the offset broach angle if it was flipped.

 

[franzdom]

Ah ok, i get it now. That's what i needed.

 

[franzdom]

I realize this is just theory but it's an important theory to understand. It's a lot more applicable to a zero offset (angle of whole end) high performance wrench with the 12-pt at 7.5deg offset (broach angle to box length).

 

[concealer404]

I realize this is just theory but it's an important theory to understand. It's a lot more applicable to a zero offset (angle of whole end) high performance wrench with the 12-pt at 7.5deg offset (broach angle to box length).

Yep i gotcha. Thanks for giving me something else to obsess over when i'm tool shopping.


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Buddy who works there says he thinks they're offset a bit and that's just a bad picture.

I'll order a set on Friday to investigate in the name of science. Even if the design is straight on, i would rather break bolts loose with a 6pt than a 12pt.

 

[Hiball]

I don't think so. We've talked about many new tools and different brands here before but, I have never read the amount of negative comments about a new tool line before like in the carlyle threads. It could be that people object to a national parts chain introducing another imported tool line, they hate the name, people might not like blue and yellow ratchet handles, Merkava didn't like the part numbers, I don't know. I just find it odd that so many have gone off the deep end before the tools are widely in use. Oh well, to each their own, more tools to get and try out.

I dont think it has anything to do with the Tools themselves, (Obviously there are a few members who dislike "Import" tools in general and they pop in from time to time), But most of the discussions have been fairly civilized. IMO.. The biggest Gripe has been there Price Point when compared to COO and 99% of the other tools that come from overseas. <--- Which is a Valid Discussion point. Its nice that have brought some Innovation to the Marketplace in regards to 90-100 tooth ratchets I "personally" just Question if they can make a go of it in todays economy, Maybe I'm Wrong..

 

[NC-Fordguy]

I don't think so. We've talked about many new tools and different brands here before but, I have never read the amount of negative comments about a new tool line before like in the carlyle threads. It could be that people object to a national parts chain introducing another imported tool line, they hate the name, people might not like blue and yellow ratchet handles, Merkava didn't like the part numbers, I don't know. I just find it odd that so many have gone off the deep end before the tools are widely in use. Oh well, to each their own, more tools to get and try out.

I started a thread a while back about some wrenches I bought. Of course there was alot of harping over coo and pricing. The discussion of the tools themselves got drowned out.

But there are some folks have some interest and are buying them. I personally would like to see what folks are buying and how its working for them.

I have a some of nearly every manufacturer/retailer of tools in my boxes and pretty much like them all.

 

[plinker]

I've bought a few (quite a bit) Napa branded tool's starting in '07 IIRC, maybe '08. For the most part they were fairly expensive for essentially the same tool as Craftsman. When they started rebranding Gearwrench a couple of years ago, the price did drop on some stuff but was still up there. I usually will/would buy my tools from them when they run one of thier tool sales where stuff is 30% off.

The way I see it;
We got a tool catalog at work (from a distrubiter and then the store order's what you want) and saw a Gearwrench combo wrench set, 1/4 to 1", for about 90 some dollars, chances are they are made in china, but still If the Carlyle wrench set is 120$ to 130$, which I think that was the price someone said, it's withen the same price range of the Gearwrench. And if they are indeed better quality wrenches, another plus.

BUT unless I'm counting penny's or have to start over buying tool's (fire/theft) I'd be more inclined to buy another brand for a few 20's more (Wright, S-K, ete...), Unless they (Napa) are the best option in town. Good service sell's itself, IMO. I like my Localish Napa, I get great service.

 

[NC-Fordguy]

After taking part in this thread and starting another thread and discussions with another member here via pm concerning Carlyle tools, I’ve gathered a few things.

1. It’s extremely difficult to have an in depth discussion about a new tool line if its production originates in Asia. The tools themselves maybe very good, but the prejuduices some have really stifle a good honest discussion. A discussion about the quality of the tools, which is what I believe is an intent of this forum. Unless I missed something I believe political discussions were a no no on this forum. Perhaps the rules when joining should be re-written because it surely isn’t followed. “I’m not paying $*** for asian junk” political comments is a classic example of what can be found in these threads. I personally prefer USA made tools but keep all options open and enjoy reading and discussing what other are using and how its working for them

2. Pricing. Many here have voiced their opinion is that the tools are over priced because they are imports or when compared to other brands that are imported. If you don’t think the pricing is in line, don’t buy them…buy something else. The same sort of debate gets brought up when comparing USA craftsman to USA made snap on. Theoretically the snap on brand is a premium brand that is supposed to be better. This is along the lines that the Carlyle brand is supposedly to be. There are items I personally think are good values and some that I think that are not. This is true in ANY tool line.

3. I believe the initial intent of op was merely to point out a new tool line was being introduced. Perhaps even have some productive discussions about them. Those of you who decided to muck it up ****.

4. There are threads here that don’t appeal to me. Stuff like the orange, green, etc snap on **** threads. I have nothing positive or worthwhile to contribute to those threads so I don’t participate in them. I would be great if others would show the same respect in threads they have no interest in.

Hopefully if there are future threads of this brand or up and coming brands they turn out better

 

[2JZGTESC300]

I've gotten the Carlyle tool catalog earlier today. I browsed through it and it's pretty much a thin book. Not much tools in there compare to other truck brands.

My question is, are the 1/4'' and 3/8'' Ratchets any good?

I asked because I wanted to purchase at least one of each size and use it while I stop abusing my Snap On Ratchet instead with the comfort grip.

 

[Hiball]

Lol... Some of you guys take the interwebs way to serious.

In all seriousness, I think most people enjoy looking at new brands and different technology. This stops being a discussion forum when people aren't allowed to give there opinions, obviously... There is always gonna be a few comments that are aimed to start a war of words but discussing price points is important IMO.

This is literally a New brand and it doesn't seem like there has been alot of 1st hand experience, maybe the discussion will get better as the tools hit toolboxes.

 

[concealer404]

I've gotten the Carlyle tool catalog earlier today. I browsed through it and it's pretty much a thin book. Not much tools in there compare to other truck brands.

My question is, are the 1/4'' and 3/8'' Ratchets any good?

I asked because I wanted to purchase at least one of each size and use it while I stop abusing my Snap On Ratchet instead with the comfort grip.

It's just the first wave so far. Catalog will expand on January 1st.

 

[Fedwrench]

My question is, are the 1/4'' and 3/8'' Ratchets any good?

It's too soon to tell. Ask me in a year or so...

I have two Carlyle ratchets, the short 1/4 and the 9 inch or so 3/8 flex head. Both have comfort grips and 90 teeth. I haven't had any problems with mine but, it's only been a couple of weeks. There was a post in another thread about someone damaging a tooth on a 1/4 ratchet but, mine are swinging fine. I really like the 1/4 inch model. It's basically the comfort grip handle and ratchet head. It's handy for batteries and other similiar tasks. I think the next one I'll get will be the long handled 1/2 drive 90 tooth model so, I can see how it compares with a breaker bar.

 

[2JZGTESC300]

I was able to get a price at Napa for these wrenches that they have. The 50mm is $160 dollars.

The whole set is about $2,240 dollars. That's for the 12 Point Metric Size (Right Side)

Crazy!

 

[concealer404]

You done messed up on your math somewhere. Retail according to napaonline.com for the full set is $1,516.00, not $2,240.

Anyways, while i wouldn't pay $1500 for wrenches for my use, these things are seriously badass as far as i'm concerned. I'm THOROUGHLY pleased with my purchase. (CW1219M)

The screwdrivers are a pleasant surprise. Great handles, very beefy shafts, tips seem like they will bite well. (I will test this weekend)

The pliers seem very nice, need to see how they do in real use. My only complaint is that i like the grips of the old NHT Pro line better.

The flare wrenches i got look great, and have the better nut grip design as talked about in the other thread.

Oh, and.... new thread started.

 

[2JZGTESC300]

So it's cheaper!? The new guy at Napa gave me the wrong prices then. I'm going to have to confirm this once my brother in law gets back from his 1 week vacation. $1,516.00 for all those size of Wrenches is not bad at all. Now, the question is, do they strip as easily as HF wrenches, not that I have any. I dont want to compare them to Snap On or Mac since I have wrenches from those two company.

The thin book they have doesn't mean squat when there's no actual product in person to physically touch.

 

[jo4gj]

So I know this is a dead thread but I want to know how they ratchets and wrenches have held up over the years

 

[dede2897234]

So I know this is a dead thread but I want to know how they ratchets and wrenches have held up over the years

jo4gj,

There is an existing GJ thread called "Show off your..Carlyle Tools!" where members post their Carlyle tools purchases. They also talk about the strengths/weaknesses of the design and/or durability of the specific Carlyle hand tool. Here is the link to the thread: LINK.


Dave

 

[Fedwrench]

So I know this is a dead thread but I want to know how they ratchets and wrenches have held up over the years

Everything I have is still going strong, no issues.

 

[Derek420]

I have an older 60t Carlyle 3/8 long flex ratchet and snap on dual80s and it is just as smooth and nicely finished but the head is quite a bit smaller almost like a 1/4 ratchet and I just love that thing it's my favorite ratchet and only Carlyle tool I have but love the Napa witte screwdrivers they are tough.