new old house means new old garage.

[theoldwizard1]

... notched out a new 2x8 to put in next to it







I have another 2x8 I was thinking of puting on the other side and tripling it up, but I am also thinking it may be over kill.....

Nope ! No such thing as overkill on a cracked beam !!

You already paid for the 2x8. What is going to take to install it ? Probably less than an hour.

I never understood notched floor joist like that.

If it was me, I would have filled the gap with wood glue, jacked it into place and then run several #10x4" screws up through the board in to holes that are counter sunk about 2" so that you know the threads are well into the upper half,. THEN I would have nailed on the additional 2x8s !

 

[theoldwizard1]

What is hold the stack on there ? Gravity ?

I think I would have used some furnace cement in between.

 

[theoldwizard1]

It works great, Im super pumped about it. I just hope it radiates enough heat.

I strongly suggest you get some more sheet metal like what you have propped up against the wall on the right hand side for the left hand wall. A bit taller and about 6" wider. Mount it so there is at least a 3-4" air gap between it and the wall.

Not only will it help radiate the heat back inside, but it will drop the surface temperature of that wood a good +20F degrees !

 

[theoldwizard1]

...
I still have the entire bathroom floor to take up. All of which is cement... horrible

Rent a "demolition hammer" from HD. Kind of a mini jack hammer. You'll be there forever with a hand sledge and a full size sledge could crack something below.

 

[User-C3]

Nope ! No such thing as overkill on a cracked beam !!

You already paid for the 2x8. What is going to take to install it ? Probably less than an hour.

I never understood notched floor joist like that.

If it was me, I would have filled the gap with wood glue, jacked it into place and then run several #10x4" screws up through the board in to holes that are counter sunk about 2" so that you know the threads are well into the upper half,. THEN I would have nailed on the additional 2x8s !

The glew and screws would have been the smart thing to do, honestly didnt even think about it. I am planning on doubling up almost all the floor beams in that area supporting the dinning room. Planning on a pretty heavy table so I figure down the road with a heavy table a full seating it could get pretty heavy over that area.
As far as the notched joist, I agree, it makes no sense. Completly compromises the structural integrity of the wood.

I strongly suggest you get some more sheet metal like what you have propped up against the wall on the right hand side for the left hand wall. A bit taller and about 6" wider. Mount it so there is at least a 3-4" air gap between it and the wall.

Not only will it help radiate the heat back inside, but it will drop the surface temperature of that wood a good +20F degrees !

Its hard to tell but there is a good amount of clearance between the wall. I was thinking about the metal though, and some other ways to help radiate the heat out. The air gap is a really good idea.

Rent a "demolition hammer" from HD. Kind of a mini jack hammer. You'll be there forever with a hand sledge and a full size sledge could crack something below.

The good news is I got it all up last night. Took me about 45 min. I found if I pounded a large crowbar under the cement it would lift the cement off the wood, I could then take the sledge and hit around the crowbar without putting much stress on the structure under it. The cement breaks up and could then be removed in pieces. Worked out really well. The shower was thick, prob a good 4 or 5 inches but actually broke up pretty nice because it didnt have the mesh under it.

 

[User-C3]

Keep the feedback coming, I love it!! good or bad

 

[User-C3]

I have ditched the make shift wood stove attempt for a legit potbelly stove I picked up for a hundred bucks. This picture I havnt connected the chimney pipe but I added 2 45 bends to creat kind of an s and a damper. This thing works so great, my non insulated garage gets wram enough to just wear a hoody.






unfortunatly thats all thats happened in the garage, but in the house I have accomplished quite a bit of work.

Here is a little blue print diagram I made to show the layout. Shower on the left, a little dresser island, and shelves and cloths racks along the walls everywhere there isnt windows and will be double stacked for maximum space. Barn sliding door to seperate the room from the bathroom / closet that will just be left open 95% of the time.



I'll first start with my custom floor joist brackets I made to relocated the toilet drain. I didnt want to redo all the floor joists and the ceiling below it so I came up with these.
They allow me to go through the joist and still have structural integrity for the floor. I also made the 2 farthest brackets different to allow for the max amount of pitch for drainage. I also had some previous notching disasters to deal with from previous owners.





I then garilla glued them and bolted them in, 55 bolts in total for 4 brackets.



Once they were bolted in place I drilled the holes for the drain pipe.



new drain pipes and PEX water lines, I love PEX!!










After laying the sub floor I realized my half walls for the toilet and shower should probably be secured down onto the floor joist so I took up a couple sections and then made my half walls. the smaller of the 2 is to just give a bit of blockage for the toilet and its made of 2x4's and the shower is made of 2x6's with built in shelving inside on the shower side. shelves and top pitched correctly for water runoff.

This is the smaller wall onto the joist, it didnt need much to be strong.



the 2x6 shower wall I made sure to beef up. I added this bracket to the joist first



then added another end piece nailed to the joist





I added some tar paper for under the wood floor, just case, and also in the shower to help when I start with the pre pitch



And then layed the wood floor to match the rest of the room

 

[User-C3]

Still no progress on the garage unfortunately but I have been planning out what I will be doing to it this summer. I will be running all new electrical from the house as well as all new wiring inside the garage. I have been doing a bunch of work to the upstairs and the master though. Life happens however and it never gets done as quick as one would hope.

After I finished the flooring in the bathroom area I removed all the flooring pieces to feather in new flooring where the pre existing closets used to be and had no wood floor where the walls were. You can see in the photo the straight cuts where the floor would have butted up against a wall. They had just filled the 4" gaps with small pieces of wood flooring and carpeted over it.



This was a first for me and a lesson in being patient. After a lot of cutting installing the new pieces was pretty straight forward, some spots a little tricky to slide them in, but came out great. We also tried to use as much of the old wood I had taken up as possible and mix it in with the new. Once all the upstairs is sanded down should come out real nice.





I wanted to get most of the wood flooring fixed before I built the separation wall because I figured it would be easier to just put the wall right on top. I also wanted to get the wall up before I started redoing the ****** beams the previous owner put in. He thought 2 2x6's would be a good idea for the span. He was wrong.

 

[User-C3]

You can also see in the previous photo I put up a temp brace on the other side of the wall I built. I then tore down the beams and built new ones up in the attic space getting them out of the room and cleaning up the ceiling. Luckily the ceiling was down in the bathroom area and gave us just enough room to slide the new beams up into the attic. They would have never fit any other way.







This next photo you can see how the previous owners had put up drywall over the plaster on the ceiling. After I took the beams down the drywall was starting to sag, I planned on just screwing it back in place and filling the gaps. That next saturday morning bright and early it all fell down in a blaze of glory. I shot out of bed and ran upstairs fearing the worst. Luckily it did fall down however because it revealed two light housings with hot wires just taped and drywalled over.




and this is the new beams up in the attic

 

[User-C3]

A side not we found a really great way to remove the texture from the ceiling, if it was done with drywall mud that is. (prob not a good idea to do with a popcorn ceiling.



found online so I cant claim any discovery for myself, but mixed a spray bottle with about
1/8th fabric softener and touch of ammonia, and some water. Sprayed it on not to overly saturate and it just scrapes off with a putty knife.

 

[User-C3]

In the hall next to the bedroom door and the bathroom was a nice built in. While they are nice features, in the old homes we just didnt really need it and wanted to move the door over to maximize the space in the bedroom.



And how it stuck out into the room



And here is how it looks now



I made a new door frame to utilize the original door and match the rest in the house.



The room is also mostly drywalled, with the chimney framed out and covered up. I ran a power plug and cable outlet where the tv will be mounted. Under the tv I will be making a full mantle and fake fireplace to do a nice Candle burning fireplace.

 

[User-C3]

Back in the bathroom, I waited for a nice day that we wouldnt be getting any snow to finish the plumbing for the sinks and the vent out the roof. I pushed the vent line into the wall and then back out the pre existing place in the roof. I'm happy with the result, should do the job.







I got the shower pre pitch in and installed my PVC liner so i could finally start getting this room sealed up.







It feels so good to get the cement board up on the walls in the shower, and the ceiling covered up. It finally is starting to feel like this thing will get done sometime soon. Tonight will be shower final floor pitch and then I will coating everything in RedGard before starting to tile.

I have also started rewiring the upstairs. The electrical in this house is a mess, I plan on redoing the entire house eventually but for now I'll start with the upstairs. In the bedrooms I will be redoing the outlets by removing the plaster behind the baseboards and running new wires there, this way I dont have to destroy all the plaster walls. Its a viable solution in these older homes that tend to be junction box city. Master is pretty much all rewired except the lights.

 

[48RON54]

Nice work! Love that floor you did in the garage. Subscribed.

 

[Bricen18]

Great progress. Lots of great work has been done. I never thought to rewire behind the base board trim.

And great work on feathering in the new flooring looks great.

 

[Bib Overalls]

Hey Norm, awesome work as usual. Will this rehab be featured on the show next season or is this one just for you and us to share. Will you be building the furniture on your PBS workshop show or will you be doing it direct to video. Did not know you were into hot cars. Your talents never stop amazing me.

 

[c4c3vette]

Nice C3!

 

[JDGolden]

I love the exterior of the house. Nice work so far.

I have the same interior doors in my place (built in 1940).

 

[User-C3]

Thanks for all the comments gentleman.

 

[User-C3]

The basement was the first part of the house we tackled. There was a bunch of little rooms, and the story goes at one time one of the previous owners took in children from bad homes and they lived in the basement. Very creepy.
The great thing is there is an additional entrance to the basement from the backyard. This will allow the bathroom we will be adding to count on the bathroom count for the house.











And after the demo off all the walls. One wall and room was left because it was flush with the foundation brick wall and was the most finished and complete.
The end game plan is to do a nice dispersion epoxy floor on the concrete after fixing a few issues. Will be adding a half bathroom, and making a real nice laundry area with the cabinets we take out of the kitchen. for the most part it will be setup as work space with maybe a little hang out section. Also going to make a some kind of concealment for the boiler and hot water heater. I'm thinking something that looks like a big cabinet or shelving unit that will open up.

 

[spoonsports86]

wow thats alot of work and its looking great

i have to do alot of remodeling in my house to

 

[User-C3]

It seems to take forever until I look back at how much has been accomplished in only about 5 months time in the few hours of free time I have.

 

[-Brent-]

Awesome. Even pulling up that tile floor in the basement made a huge difference. Are you planning any electrical updates like lighting and such?

I don't envy you. I undertook an 18 month rebuild of our house. I didn't get to play in the garage (it's still running off a 15a breaker) until the house was able to be occupied. This summer I'll be doing a few finishing touches like painting all the doors we replaced little wear and tear items. Then, one last bathroom.

Maybe then I'll get the garage electrical updated!

 

[User-C3]

Awesome. Even pulling up that tile floor in the basement made a huge difference. Are you planning any electrical updates like lighting and such?

I don't envy you. I undertook an 18 month rebuild of our house. I didn't get to play in the garage (it's still running off a 15a breaker) until the house was able to be occupied. This summer I'll be doing a few finishing touches like painting all the doors we replaced little wear and tear items. Then, one last bathroom.

Maybe then I'll get the garage electrical updated!

Thanks, the basement feels so much better its incredible, still not nice, but much better no doubt.

The electrical will be getting completely redone over time. The breaker box is all updated 2010 but whoever did the work didnt do the best job. Its 100% full, and right next to it there are about 9 junction boxes. No good. I'm starting with the upstairs first, will then tackle the basement, and after that the first floor while doing the renovations there. I currently turn on an appliance and see the lights dim, needless to say nothing is run in series or zoned correctly right now. The basement lights have about 5 different switches, so I will be wiring up all new lights down there off one main switch.

Your situation sounds about as close to mine as it gets. My garage is also currently running off a single 15amp from the house and wired into a few other outlets and lights inside the basement.

 

[CoconutPete]

Awesome stuff! I love old houses. I'll get another one when my kids are older.

 

[crimegods]

well, i stumbled across this website because i am thinking of renovating my garage this summer. i bought my first home last year, 1876, with a 2 car detached garage. i was thinking of drywalling and insulating, but now you have me thinking about putting in a wood stove. i have one in the house that i use for the fall, but in winter, i gotta keep my radiators running because i have a lot of bathrooms with water pipes on outside walls, when the fire in the house is going the thermostat shuts it off cause its so good at heating the big rooms, the exteriors suffer. thanks for giving me some ideas, ill burn through some of my stacks of wood in the garage now, just gotta set some things up. this forum is great btw, you are all very inspiring. first the garage, then get myself an old chevy truck.

 

[dieselnut17]

just looked through your thread, alot of work but looks like your doing a great job!

 

[User-C3]

The shower tile is finally done except for the grout which I should get to this weekend. After the Durock went up I did a few coats of RedGard. This stuff is so cool, I would highly recommend it. This house is teaching me a lot, and allowing me a lot of firsts. This is definitely the largest tile job I have done.



















Dont mind the light reflection on the tile in this photo, makes it look all kinds of crooked.



For the faucets we decided to go with an exposed pipe. I did a little dry run to make sure everything was lining up correctly and to drill the holes for the upper mounts.

 

[cderalow]

The shower tile is finally done except for the grout which I should get to this weekend. After the Durock went up I did a few coats of RedGard. This stuff is so cool, I would highly recommend it. This house is teaching me a lot, and allowing me a lot of firsts. This is definitely the largest tile job I have done.

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I'd say tell the girl not to drop the soap in that one.... looks like an old lockerroom shower.

 

[JustinS]

I like that exposed pipe in the shower

 

[Taurus]

Great thread! Man I would love to have half the skills you have!

 

[User-C3]

Aside from all the work in the master, we have been battling drain issues since we moved in. the first time we ran the laundry the floor drains in the basement came up. After the lines were snaked it was good for a couple months. It started to be once a month I was renting a snake from the deep and cleaning the lines. I finally got a plumber to come out and run a scope and saw in between the inside and outside clean outs there was about a 3 or 4 foot section of original pipe that was full of roots. One more back up and I had enough. I started digging that friday after work.



A buddy of mine came over and helped out a bit. I didnt really know what I was dealing with until we got down to the pipe and found out it was the merge from the sanitary and irrigation. My assumption is they didnt want to deal with it when they replaced the main years ago because it was clear. They then planted the bushes on either side of the steps and turned into monsters over the years and the one found its way in.







And the culprit!!





Started breaking apart the pipe to find my worst nightmare.







The roots were so packed in there it took the shape of the inside of the pipe. There was only a small channel on the underside where it had been snaked throughout all the years of who knows how long. Amazes me people would live with this!!



This is a 6' ladder!!



And all finished up with new 4" PVC.



I then filled under the pipes with small cement gravel to make sure there wouldnt be any settling and cause problems with pressure on the pipes.



All in a days work..... Beer me!!

 

[Sunbimmer]

Love the tile work and the exposed pipes I'll be following your progress.

Please keep us posted.

 

[User-C3]

I'd say tell the girl not to drop the soap in that one.... looks like an old lockerroom shower.

Thats hilarious!! It does have a bit of a jail cell feel.. I dig it.



and thanks to everyone else for all the comments.

 

[JustinS]

Holy ****, that pipe clog was bad!

 

[48RON54]

wow, i'm really amazed at how jammed up that pipe was!!!!

 

[pitterpat]

Great thread! Man I would love to have half the skills you have!

Taurus,

You have the skill, you just have to do it. you can! Read books and take your time.

 

[pitterpat]

Great job. You should post your shower build on the John Bridge tile forum.

 

[cbrxfr67]

this is great stuff,......you know you find a great thread when you wish you'd found it 20 pages deep and not just 4. Sub'd!

 

[theoldwizard1]

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UNBELIEVABLE !

Do you know which drains the 3 lines came from (obviously one was the laundry) ?

I never would have guessed that shrubbery would send roots that deep. I guess if the sense water (i.e. the crockery had probably been leaking at the seem since shortly after it was installed !) any plant will go for it !

 

[User-C3]

Do you know which drains the 3 lines came from (obviously one was the laundry) ?

while I had the 3 disconnected I went inside and my buddy stayed out and watched as I poured water down the drains. The center line is the main sanitary, 2 of the floor drains and everything else from the house. One other floor drain I knew has a problem and that one trickled out of the left pipe. that I suspect is tied into the irrigation. The right most pipe I put a broom stick up and felt like I hit a wall, nothing came out of that pipe but I figured I should connect it anyway. Usually the floor drains are connected to the irrigation but who knows what was done over time. The basement floor has been raised in areas, so I know work has been done under there, along with the PVC clean out inside the basement.
All I know is so far no problems and that makes me happy.