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Dakotadadv8

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OP good info on the F100. Probably the Pros will get them first via truck, cheapskates DIYer like me probably not the target market. I will definitely buy one putting it on the Christmas list.
 
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100 teeth would be nice on a 3/8" and 1/2" drive torque wrench for sure.
I’m surprised that the torque adapters are still coarse tooth. My user for 1/2” is a wonderful Plomb that is very fine toothed. I also have Snap-on, Herbrand, Armstrong, and New Britain. All are much coarser tooth than the Plomb.
 

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We are all $hit talking this now but I have no doubt give it 6 months to a year and we will all have at least one F100 type model, dealer will do a BoGo or a good deal price and then they got you haha. Will be singing its praises, saying the extra teeth do make a difference "you can feel it" and so on. I’m guilty of this, we are all guilty of this. I mean this is Garage Journal so who are we kidding 😆
 

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We are all $hit talking this now but I have no doubt give it 6 months to a year and we will all have at least one F100 type model, dealer will do a BoGo or a good deal price and then they got you haha. Will be singing its praises, saying the extra teeth do make a difference "you can feel it" and so on. I’m guilty of this, we are all guilty of this. I mean this is Garage Journal so who are we kidding 😆
It usually goes that way.
 

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We are all $hit talking this now but I have no doubt give it 6 months to a year and we will all have at least one F100 type model, dealer will do a BoGo or a good deal price and then they got you haha. Will be singing its praises, saying the extra teeth do make a difference "you can feel it" and so on. I’m guilty of this, we are all guilty of this. I mean this is Garage Journal so who are we kidding 😆
It will sneak on you so fast that you won't even know what happen. :lol:
That old script :evil: will grab a lot of guys.
 

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Figures. I just ordered an FLLF80 last week and haven’t even got it yet!

I disagree with the criticism above. The Dual 80 has had a long run already. It was about time for an update, if progress was possible. And it seems it was. There is plenty to like here, at least on paper:
  • head is a bit smaller in width: 1-7/32″ (F100) versus 1-1/4″ (F80)
  • head has less height too: 15/32″ (F100) versus 9/16″ (F80)
  • 20% higher tooth count (granted, there wasn’t much to complain about with 80 teeth)
  • 10 versus the old 7 teeth in contact, suggesting the new mechanism should be at least as strong despite more teeth
  • only a very small price increase.
There’s nothing on the website about back-drag, but you’d hope Snap-on has done its homework there too.

Great news on the size specs. Snap-On could really use smaller heads. Mac and Matco are quite a bit slimmer than the current Snap-On ratchets.

-Ryan
 
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Great news on the size specs. Snap-On could really use smaller heads. Mac and Matco are quite a bit slimmer than the current Snap-On ratchets.

-Ryan

I think this was what needed to be improved with the Dual 80. The Gearwrench 90T has a considerably thinner head than the Dual 80, and both ratchets fail by the anvil shearing. This means that the gears aren't the weak point for either. This means that the SO gear is taller than it needs to be, and that the height could be reduced similar to the GW and still maintain the same failure point.

As far as tooth count, I think that once you get past 72, it really doesn't matter that much, and that a low back-drag is more important after that. IMO it's better to have a 72T ratchet vs a 120T that has twice the back-drag. But since 90T is kinda the standard now, it makes sense for SO to upgrade to at least that point.

And as far as marketing, c'mon, when does Snap On do any serious marketing? Their tools are like crack, they sell themselves LOL. And I have very little SO stuff as a home user, I can't justify the cost, but they don't need to take out a full-page ad in Motor Trend or Hod Rod magazine to sell this ratchet- or any other of their tools.
 

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My guess is lighter spring for finer teeth resulting in lower back drag with similar strength as dual 80.

But remember, you don’t need strength and low back drag in a single ratchet (tho it’s nice if you can get it)

You don’t need high strength in a short ratchet or low back drag in a long ratchet.

Agree, no huge difference between 80 and 100 teeth in terms of swing arc.
 

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Hope home gamers who buy the F100 provide honest feedback on GJ, prefer those who actually use them and not collectors.
 

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What didn’t you like about the F80s?
I felt they had more backdrag and were too notchy compared to my Gearwrench. I also didn't like the hard handles or the fact they didn't have a flex head, which isn't the fault of the F80, but it did make them sit in the drawer.

Maybe I would have kept them otherwise.
 

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I felt they had more backdrag and were too notchy compared to my Gearwrench. I also didn't like the hard handles or the fact they didn't have a flex head, which isn't the fault of the F80, but it did make them sit in the drawer.

Maybe I would have kept them otherwise.
My very first Dual 80 has what I would call a lot of back drag. I paid $150 for it so I was determined to use it. After about a month it broke in and is probably my lightest back drag ratchet that I haven't modified. I liked it so much that I have bought many more Dual 80s since then but ironically none have matched back drag (although I would still classify them all as lighter than average).
 

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I always disassemble the ratchets and check the grease level before putting the ratchet in service. I use the same grease the factory uses.

The one thing I'd like to know is how the factory manages to keep the grease out of the threaded holes. I can't seem to do it to save my life.
 

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Some pictures popped up on my Twitter feed that show the size of the new ratchets. I wish they would have compared them to the more typical F80 ratchet heads since the reverse fork flex heads are a bit bigger than those. Still it's some new info.foam set.jpegside view.jpegtop view.jpegdrive side.jpeg
 

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Don't care for the grip design so might wait for SO to figure out the redesign if one is coming for that. I really like the thinner head though. Would allow me to retire my Matco 40th Anniversary locking flex so I stop breaking it. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Don't care for the grip design so might wait for SO to figure out the redesign if one is coming for that. I really like the thinner head though. Would allow me to retire my Matco 40th Anniversary locking flex so I stop breaking it. :ROFLMAO:
Don't care for the grip design; why not?
 
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Some pictures popped up on my Twitter feed that show the size of the new ratchets. I wish they would have compared them to the more typical F80 ratchet heads since the reverse fork flex heads are a bit bigger than those. Still it's some new info.foam set.jpeg
Some of those pictures exaggerate the head-size difference (maybe on purpose) by placing the old model closer to the wide-angle camera lens. But still interesting. Thanks.

I see the FLLF100 abandons the forked-head design of the FLLF80 in favour of the forked handle of all of the shorter models. That’s what I expected when I noticed the small head size of the FLLF100 (the FLLF80 has a larger head than the shorter Dual 80 models) in my posts on the first page, but interesting to get confirmation.

So is this ratchet mechanism going to be labelled Cynergy or is that the show theme or what?
 

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I can see the smaller head being a benefit. Going back to the forked handle has me wondering, I thought the reason they switched away from it was mentioned as an improvement, also switching the screws going through the face plate was supposed to be an improvement, they changed that too. At some point I'll be asking my dealer when he's getting them and his prices.
 
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My guess is lighter spring for finer teeth resulting in lower back drag with similar strength as dual 80.
If so, it’s curious Snap-on doesn’t mention back-drag in the bullet points among the other improvements.

Though I guess I can think of reasons they might not want to do that (e.g. drawing attention to a performance parameter they can’t outright win while making stronger ratchets than the next guy – which they must because of their exceedingly generous warranty scheme and the fact that their core users are pro mechanics).

I felt they had more backdrag and were too notchy compared to my Gearwrench.
I’ve heard a few complaints about Snap-on back-drag. I find that interesting, because my two Dual 80 ratchets (a TF72 and a Bahco 7750) have very low back-drag by any standard. Maybe there’s some variation across the production, or maybe some people have second-hand ratchets that have suffered dirt ingress or inept lubrication at some point in their history.

Back-drag improvement is always welcome, of course.
 

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I felt they had more backdrag and were too notchy compared to my Gearwrench.

Ooof - that's the exact opposite of my experience with the 120XP GW ratchets. Absolutely hated them. Why? Notchy and backdrag (all three in the set).

There seems a wide divide of opinion on those. I ascribe some of it to the sorta-perceptual differences and preferences between people, but I also feel like there must be some manufacturing variability at play since that one seems more divided than any other I can think of.

FWIW, I have several Dual80 ratchets, and they're all pretty great. My F80 is the most broken-in, and it's the single best ratchet I own. (and I'm a ratchet *****...)
 

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Strange how they do an apples to oranges comparison in the pics by comparing the regular flex head 100 tooth to the locking flex head dual 80. :eek7:
 
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