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jims09build

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Since I can't seem to figure out how to revive an old thread to the top I did this. Pics attached.

I got this old drill press about a month ago and finished it up last night. It was a nice easy restore and the thing runs great. Any questions, ask away! Spindle runout with original bearings is only .002" Not bad for a 74 year old drill. Search; Walker Turner for my old thread if you like. Ya all have a nice day!


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that drill press looks amazing! - you are gonna have everyone here envious!

and whatever camera you used to take those pics, needs to be thrown away! - it's awful

PS - where did you find such a cool drill press?
 
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that drill press looks amazing! - you are gonna have everyone here envious!

and whatever camera you used to take those pics, needs to be thrown away! - it's awful

PS - where did you find such a cool drill press?

Um, what's wrong with my camera?
 

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Um, what's wrong with my camera?

Nearly every pic is slightly out of focus.

edit: now that I look closer, maybe it's just the small file size/compression that is making them look fuzzy.

But the DP is very cool, good job.
 
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Nearly every pic is slightly out of focus.

edit: now that I look closer, maybe it's just the small file size/compression that is making them look fuzzy.

But the DP is very cool, good job.

I have very good camera but I was holding the flash back because I was getting a shadow for some reason. I'll snap a couple more tonight of other things with the flash and see how they look. Thanks to everyone for the kind comments
 

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I have very good camera but I was holding the flash back because I was getting a shadow for some reason. I'll snap a couple more tonight of other things with the flash and see how they look. Thanks to everyone for the kind comments

Most automatic cameras will give a really long exposure time to compensate for low light conditions when not using the flash. So you have to hold it *really* still or you get slightly fuzzy photos. :)

With either bright sunlight or flash the requirement of keeping the camera still is a lot less.

Oh yeah great looking drill press. :D
 

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I have very good camera but I was holding the flash back because I was getting a shadow for some reason. I'll snap a couple more tonight of other things with the flash and see how they look. Thanks to everyone for the kind comments

stand further back and zoom in with the flash..or use slow flash if your camera has it. The pics are not great...but the DP is!
 

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That slow speed attachment, the third pulley, at least double the value.
Very nice! I'd love to find one like that.
 

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If you need to take pics indoors, and the lighting is not sufficient for a no-shake high resolution exposure, and using the flash is causing its own issues, do what photographers have done for generations, use a good tripod & self timer! :thumbup:
 

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If you need to take pics indoors, and the lighting is not sufficient for a no-shake high resolution exposure, and using the flash is causing its own issues, do what photographers have done for generations, use a good tripod & self timer! :thumbup:

Or crank up the ISO if the end purpose is just a snapshot for GJ.

Having no clue what the OP defines as a "very good camera" (some people may say that after upgrading their camera phone to the latest iPhone 6 :headscrat), I'll assume that "very good camera" means a DSLR of less than say, 3 years old. In that case OP, you could easily use ISOs of 1600 or even 3200+ depending on your camera, in order to get a totally acceptable picture (for posting on a message board) in a garage without a flash.
 

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Nice work. Here's "before" pic from your other thread. It looks a 100% better. It's a really nice machine.

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Or crank up the ISO if the end purpose is just a snapshot for GJ.

Having no clue what the OP defines as a "very good camera" (some people may say that after upgrading their camera phone to the latest iPhone 6 :headscrat), I'll assume that "very good camera" means a DSLR of less than say, 3 years old. In that case OP, you could easily use ISOs of 1600 or even 3200+ depending on your camera, in order to get a totally acceptable picture (for posting on a message board) in a garage without a flash.

Thanks for that information on the ISOs. It is a Sony DSLR that I got last Christmas and I really haven't had time to check out all the features it has, don't remember the model but it takes better pictures than anything I have had in the past. It was about $350.00 at the time. If I set it on auto it does a great job so I guess I should not try to fool it. The pic in my avatar was taken with this camera btw. Attached is another with the camera doing it's own thing. One of my favorite pics! Sophie guarding the Cobra.
 

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Thanks for that information on the ISOs. It is a Sony DSLR that I got last Christmas and I really haven't had time to check out all the features it has, don't remember the model but it takes better pictures than anything I have had in the past. It was about $350.00 at the time. If I set it on auto it does a great job so I guess I should not try to fool it. The pic in my avatar was taken with this camera btw. Attached is another with the camera doing it's own thing. One of my favorite pics! Sophie guarding the Cobra.

Nice looking dog and car!

A camera can be WAY more capable when you learn how to use it and take it off the AUTO setting, don't be scared to venture away from AUTO, it's a learning process. Take some time to read a couple articles or watch a couple YouTube videos on how photography works, I bet you will find it interesting.

There is way more to photography (composition, etc.) but the most basic thing to understand is how exposure works, and it will serve you well even if you aren't trying to create works of photographic art.

Long-story-very-short: to get a properly exposed photo, the right amount of light needs to be captured - too much or too little is bad (unless that is a particular artistic effect you want to achieve). The three items that work in conjunction to achieve that goal are
1. Aperture: how wide the lens opens (more open = more light)
2. Shutter Speed: how long the lens is open (longer = more light)
3. ISO: how sensitive the film/sensor is to light (higher ISO = more sensitive)
All three work in a give-and-take relationship to get the right exposure. If you open the aperture, you would need to increase (make faster) the shutter speed (for the same given ISO) to compensate for the extra light through the larger lens aperture. You can use a flash to provide extra light of course, but I bet the reason that you chose to not use the flash is that you noticed the on-camera flash tends to make harshly lit pictures with distinct shadows – naturally lit photos are often much more pleasing.

What likely happened with your camera, in a dimly (relative to sunlight, or strobe flashes) lit garage, was that the camera’s exposure calculator had to slow the shutter speed in order to gather enough light to make a properly exposed photo – and it probably only did this after it had already also maxed out the aperture to the largest available on the lens you were using, and the ISO to the highest that is currently “allowed” for AUTO in the internal camera settings (this can be changed). Unfortunately the shutter speed was slowed to the point at which you were unable to hand-hold the camera steady enough for the duration of the picture, and the picture came out blurry. The solution could be a tripod as mentioned, or manually increasing the ISO. Increasing the ISO would mean that since the camera sensor is now more sensitive to light, the shutter speed does not need to be so long, and the risk of camera shake blur is reduced.
 

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Since you say you were manually changing the settings, try the same shot zoomed (more or less, depending which gives you the biggest aperture) to increase your ability to meter light into the camera. In fact, I think you're on the right track taking some shots trying to learn the settings and get a good shot. But you have to take a look at it and compare, did this setting make it better or worse?

You can always use auto. Often it's good enough for most shots. But if you have manual settings, and you know how they work, you are smarter than the camera and this is a situation you can play with it enough to figure out what's best.

Sony does much better at making video cams than they do at still cameras. I was going to make a comparative example but that would have come across mean. If it's the camera you like then it's good enough and all of us can deal with it.
 

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Sony does much better at making video cams than they do at still cameras.
Actually, Sony cameras are right up there with Nikon & Canon, a quick visit to the most in-depth DSLR site on the Internet www.dpreview.com will quickly verify that.

I still think everyone is ignoring the key to beautiful indoor pics that I mentioned earlier - a tripod and the camera's self timer.
 
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Nice looking dog and car!

A camera can be WAY more capable when you learn how to use it and take it off the AUTO setting, don't be scared to venture away from AUTO, it's a learning process. Take some time to read a couple articles or watch a couple YouTube videos on how photography works, I bet you will find it interesting.

There is way more to photography (composition, etc.) but the most basic thing to understand is how exposure works, and it will serve you well even if you aren't trying to create works of photographic art.

Long-story-very-short: to get a properly exposed photo, the right amount of light needs to be captured - too much or too little is bad (unless that is a particular artistic effect you want to achieve). The three items that work in conjunction to achieve that goal are
1. Aperture: how wide the lens opens (more open = more light)
2. Shutter Speed: how long the lens is open (longer = more light)
3. ISO: how sensitive the film/sensor is to light (higher ISO = more sensitive)
All three work in a give-and-take relationship to get the right exposure. If you open the aperture, you would need to increase (make faster) the shutter speed (for the same given ISO) to compensate for the extra light through the larger lens aperture. You can use a flash to provide extra light of course, but I bet the reason that you chose to not use the flash is that you noticed the on-camera flash tends to make harshly lit pictures with distinct shadows – naturally lit photos are often much more pleasing.

What likely happened with your camera, in a dimly (relative to sunlight, or strobe flashes) lit garage, was that the camera’s exposure calculator had to slow the shutter speed in order to gather enough light to make a properly exposed photo – and it probably only did this after it had already also maxed out the aperture to the largest available on the lens you were using, and the ISO to the highest that is currently “allowed” for AUTO in the internal camera settings (this can be changed). Unfortunately the shutter speed was slowed to the point at which you were unable to hand-hold the camera steady enough for the duration of the picture, and the picture came out blurry. The solution could be a tripod as mentioned, or manually increasing the ISO. Increasing the ISO would mean that since the camera sensor is now more sensitive to light, the shutter speed does not need to be so long, and the risk of camera shake blur is reduced.

Now that sir is a heap of information that I will definitely keep for further reference.:bowdown: I thank you for taking the time to explain all this. You get reps +

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I still think everyone is ignoring the key to beautiful indoor pics that I mentioned earlier - a tripod and the camera's self timer.
I didn't ignore it, I touched on the fact that a tripod could be an option. :) But I guess my opinion is why bother bringing out the big guns (tripod) when all you need is a snapshot to post on GJ? Just crank up the ISO. If he was taking beauty shots to try and get every penny out of selling on eBay, the effort of tripod and remote trigger would certainly be warranted. Right tool for the job and all...

Now that sir is a heap of information that I will definitely keep for further reference.:bowdown: I thank you for taking the time to explain all this. You get reps +

Jim
Haha, the funny part is that I had to severely limit the amount of info I wanted to include, so as not to be too intimidating, lol. That is just the tip of the iceberg for sure. Photography is fascinating, and it is a pretty good analogy that a good camera is the source of a good picture the same way a good oven is the source of a good cake - it's 90% user, not equipment.
 
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Probably because you're the one who last posted in it, hence it technically has no new posts from your viewpoint as you've just seen it.

Got it, thanks

Now, can someone find me a chuck key for my nice old drill press? It's Jacobs # 6A/33 taper. I have 9 keys and none of them fit. The pin hole or what ever you call it is 5/16". All the ones I have the pin is too small or the gear part is too big.:willy_nil
 
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I didn't ignore it, I touched on the fact that a tripod could be an option. :) But I guess my opinion is why bother bringing out the big guns (tripod) when all you need is a snapshot to post on GJ? Just crank up the ISO. If he was taking beauty shots to try and get every penny out of selling on eBay, the effort of tripod and remote trigger would certainly be warranted. Right tool for the job and all...


Haha, the funny part is that I had to severely limit the amount of info I wanted to include, so as not to be too intimidating, lol. That is just the tip of the iceberg for sure. Photography is fascinating, and it is a pretty good analogy that a good camera is the source of a good picture the same way a good oven is the source of a good cake - it's 90% user, not equipment.

You know, I got this camera with thoughts of pursuing a hobby in photography then I got interested in old machinery and found this forum and then a machinist forum and the rest is history. The camera just sits around until I need a quick pic. And then there is the Cobra. What shall I do to that this winter? So many hobbies, so little time:sad:
 
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