New Toptul wrench

[maico]

A lot actually. Cold forging can produce some very tough tools. Snap On and SK use this technique (cold forging) to make their sockets. Results in some of the strongest sockets on the market.

There are various videos on Youtube of sockets being made in Japan and Germany. They are all pressed cold then heat treated for strength.

 

[SantaAna12]

http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=6655

 

[neophyte]

Facom cold forges their newer series pliers. The cold forged pliers tend to have less gunk in the rivet than other pliers I've tried that were hot forged including Channellock and Knipex.

Supposedly the cold forging produces a very fine grained steel that should wear better over time.

 

[organ]

Facom cold forges their newer series pliers. The cold forged pliers tend to have less gunk in the rivet than other pliers I've tried that were hot forged including Channellock and Knipex.

Supposedly the cold forging produces a very fine grained steel that should wear better over time.

Marketing hooey... with the right heat treat you can produce a fine grain in any alloy.

 

[neophyte]

Marketing hooey... with the right heat treat you can produce a fine grain in any alloy.

Heat treating isn't the only process that affects the grain structure of steel. The way the steel is worked can also positively or negatively affect the grain structure of the steel.

The difference in the characteristics of between cold rolled and hot rolled steel is a good simple example.

If I'm not mistaken, spring steels and firearm parts from better manufacturers are shotpeened to produce a layer of fine grained steel on the surface which can prevent microcracking which can lower the durability of the steel parts.

The BBC News website ran some articles on the Bloodhound Supersonic Car. One of the articles was on the wheels.

"You should take a look at this video to see how the forging is done. The cast billets are repeatedly squished and squashed to give the metal a uniform density throughout, and to align the grain in directions that will maximize strength. The skill of the forge operators is remarkable – a 200kg lump of alloy, tossed around as if it is a pizza dough ball."

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31845234

This is a video showing the "kneading" process. The appropriate part starts around 2:30.

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This is a video showing the Facom cold forging process for their pliers. Appropriate part starts around 0:50.

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[organ]

There will be no discernible difference in the quality of the tools given proper heat treatment, hot or cold forged/rolled.

 

[Olafur]

If anyone is interested I (and co-workers, so to speak) have used (and abused) these wrenches quite a bit in professional setting for the past 3 years:

These wrenches are sold as 2x the din standard regarding strength. They have very comfortable thick beam and soft edges all over, easy to wipe off nice satin finish.

Strong well formed ends with lots of material - you run into fasteners where the ring end is simply to thick to access, where other wrenches can. Open end is also quite big but well designed. The I beam design and short length reduces weight so they actually don't feel very heavy. I have handled several sets of them and other types of Toptul wrenches and not found any flaws in fit or finish in any of them.

Considering they are "2x din" I don't get it why they don't make them longer. Actually I wish they did because that would make them prime candidates for heavy applications.

Did I mention they are incredibly strong?

 

[pozidriv]

Considering they are "2x din" I don't get it why they don't make them longer. Actually I wish they did because that would make them prime candidates for heavy applications.

Did I mention they are incredibly strong?

Are you talking about the super-torque wrenches? They do make extra long combo wrenches: http://www.toptul.com/style/frame/t...92173&content_set=color_4&rid=58091&id=325398

There will be no discernible difference in the quality of the tools given proper heat treatment, hot or cold forged/rolled.

First you're saying: 'who cares', now you're posing the statement that everything's the same anyway, like you know for a fact and you're an expert on the matter

 

[Olafur]

Are you talking about the super-torque wrenches? They do make extra long combo wrenches:

Yes the super torques. I would love to have them 30-50% longer.

They make another type a bit longer but they are not 2x din rated if memory serves. They are "conventional", no I beam design. Good wrenches but noting out of the ordinary and actually not that long. Stahlwille 14 are longer for example.

I believe the extra long wrenches they make are not made for extreme torque, but rather long reach for access.

 

[organ]

Are you talking about the super-torque wrenches? They do make extra long combo wrenches: http://www.toptul.com/style/frame/t...92173&content_set=color_4&rid=58091&id=325398


First you're saying: 'who cares', now you're posing the statement that everything's the same anyway, like you know for a fact and you're an expert on the matter

I'm not an expert, just not an idiot. I do have experience heat treating different kinds of steel.