New Wera Zyklop

[billymade]

Ouch! I think you really should have a sense of the quality of the tools with a whole set! Thats what I was thinking when looking at all the Wera propaganda! Let us know how you like them; I vote for a "mini review" with pics and a ratchet "autopsy"!

 

[Diesel-Mech]

I still want one of the ratchets mostly out of curiosity but I will be passing on the whole sets I think.

 

[zuspiel]

Ouch! I think you really should have a sense of the quality of the tools with a whole set! Thats what I was thinking when looking at all the Wera propaganda! Let us know how you like them; I vote for a "mini review" with pics and a ratchet "autopsy"!

Second!

 

[48548]

I want a ratchet or a whole set of ratchets, meanting 1/4. 3/8 and maybe a 1/2 if the price is good, but I am not up for spending that much on a set, I am not a mechanic and it is hard to justify that much money when it doesn't bring in any for me.

 

[Monte]

Look what i found today at the distributor:

a 3/8 zyklop

 

[zuspiel]

Finally, we got one!!!

Could one of the admins please exempt Monti from the 10k word limit, so he can give us an in-depth review?

More pics, comparison, etc.

How bulky is it???

Can you tell I'm a bit anxious?

 

[48548]

Maybe monte can get a cheaper price for us in germany, hahahaha.

 

[Monte]

LOL @zuspiel

a short review since i have to go to bed earlier today

Model: Wera 8000 B Zyklop
weight: 310 grams
overall depth: 35,96 mm (Height from square to button)
head depth: about 24,30 mm (without square)
overall width: 39,01 mm
length: 199 mm

Pro`s:
-Very comfortable Kraftform handle
-very nice ratcheting (no need for permatex )
-no wobbling of the square
-quick release button
-Head can be fixed in the 0,15 and 90 degree position.
-pushbutton and reverse levers can be operated in all fixed positions
-Head is screwed in not riveted
-no split beam (stronger?)

con`s:
US-$ price

Materials:
Body + head: Steel
Handle: 2 components
Sleeve: plastic
reverse lever: plastic
locking lever: plastic

It works like the Turbo T-handles from Bluepoint with this sleeve thing so you can hold the ratchet while you turn it with the other hand or spin it.
Actually i like it very much, they also had this US-style swivel ratchet with the split beam and the riveted head, but i dont like the idea of a split beam somehow plus the other ratchet was wider.

 

[zuspiel]

Thanks a lot, Monte. Will need some quite time to digest (and talk myself out of getting one)

 

[amishman]

I got a super set of metric and inch in all drive sizes. I'm nuts I know... The sets run $200-400 each.

Do the actual sockets have sizes on them? The Wera web site picture just shows pretty socket but no numbering on them.

Curious how nicely the sockets are labeled?

And close up picture of the actual sockets finish would be nice.

tj

 

[FNFS2000]

they are laser etched with the size, part number, and WERA logo.

I still don't have a digi camera.

 

[amishman]

they are laser etched with the size, part number, and WERA logo.

I still don't have a digi camera.

Damn, someone give this man a camera.

You can afford all these full sets of Wera Zyklop but can't get a cheapie digi cam.

Just fooling with ya.

Wishing I had these sets right now.

tj

 

[billymade]

The suspense is killing me! Ahhh, were are those pics! LOL! Any first impressions on the quality and how they work?

 

[Joe B.]

Are they as ugly in person as they are in the pictures?





sorry, can't resist

 

[FNFS2000]

Are they as ugly in person as they are in the pictures?





sorry, can't resist

great looking tools, great packaging and "presentation" in the custom case!

 

[jerk_chicken]

Look what i found today at the distributor:

a 3/8 zyklop

Monte,

Which distros have them and where can I get a good price short of ebay? I'm an American living in Dresden, and I make frequent trips to NRW.

I'm particularly interested in the 1/2 Zoll 8800 SC 2 with the smaller bits and adapters.

Speaking of which, who sells good tools in Germany? Everyone says I should go to the Baumarkt, but they all sell Proxxon for high prices, and only Hornbach seems to carry Wiha and Wera screwdrivers, but that's it for the good quality stuff.

The German is work in progress

 

[jerk_chicken]

Does anyone have experience with the bit holders, such as what comes with the 8800 sc2? Those are kind of foreign to me, coming from the US, and I wondered how well the bit holders work for hexes and higher torques compared to using hex sockets.

Could give me an excuse to get a Zyklop now, as opposed to getting the hex sockets

 

[jerk_chicken]

Not in the Wera catalog I got a few weeks ago. New set:

1/4 and 1/2, with an interchangeable bit screwdriver. Priced under the 8100sc2.

I'm also wondering about the bit adapter with the SC2, and if it's good enough to be a good substitute for fixed bits in sockets. Could save some money, I guess.

 

[billymade]

OMG! How much does that set run? Gotta be in the $400-$600 range!

 

[NugeConstruction]

Hey JC , the following might help answer your question as to whether the Zyklop is
"good enough to be a good substitute for fixed bits in sockets".

German link:

http://www.werkzeug-news.de/Forum/ftopic14836.html

English translation link and excerpt:

http://translate.google.com/transla...ug-news.de/Forum/ftopic14836.html&sl=de&tl=en

"Cyclops had only in the hands of the fiddle, but have a few "bolt-situation" in the simulated load - Conclusion was sobering for me, or better said, to bulky, too many frills, no head-timer and the power to form handles which can disrupt a different attitude than the screwdrivers has (Find it on to the super-hung screwdriver) and it is hard to clean.
"So I was ne other"

Maybe one of our German-speaking members could polish up the above translation, and even chum around that German forum and let us know what they find out!

Bonus pic from the same thread of an apparent Zyklop promotional object (Zpo):

JC, I see that the pic you put up of the the 1/4 + 1/2 + long bits + long bit driver set is being sold in eBay Germany, e.g...

http://cgi.ebay.de/Wera-Zyklop-Stec...286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66:2|65:10|39:1|240:1318

...and now here I am wondering the following about it:

* When will it be listed in the U.S.?
* When and if there will be an SAE/fractional equivalent?
* Am I correct that the picture shows the included extensions as being the locking type?
* Why the substitution of the handle bitdriver and long bits for the adaptor and short bits?

I have been eying the Wera Zyklop line with keen interest as I am starting basically from scratch (after having gotten ripped off), but am wondering whether the bits would work a whole lot better with the 1/4" ratchet than with the 1/2" ratchet out of the simple principle of proportion, and so I if I would want to buy some combination of the available-for-retail-sale-in-the-U.S. 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" sets, I would have to get them all with bits in order to get the locking extensions included, and there would as such be a lot of duplication there.

Wondering if the Wera guy is still following this forum,

Nuge

 

[jerk_chicken]

Thanks a bunch. Part of my problem is right now having a fixed budget for some toys at this point, and wondering if I should go with the Hazet hex sockets plus a combo wrench set, or a 8100 SC2 Zyklops with those bits, for about the same price, provided this one place I found is legit. I'm also in the market for some quality German sockets in all sizes, so it wouldn't kill me to get a Zyklop to get the sockets as well.

...or I'm sure there are some that will tell me to get the Hazet sockets or a Hazet socket and ratchet set

The Hazet 900 is looking quite nice as a stand in:
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/product_info.php?info=p3922_Hazet-900-Steckschluessel-Satz-1-2-.html

I dunno, really. I could always get a Hazet, then get the Zyklop later. My life *****, doesn't it?

 

[jerk_chicken]

if you're in the EU, here's another good deal on the 1/2 full Zyklop set:

http://www.shop-seltmann.de/default...et_cid=1&et_lid=12&EkiaRefTyp=ps&EkiaRef=ps_4

I think I might end up pulling the trigger, finally. I was looking to get a used Hazet 954 set from Fleabay, but lost out last night. That had the bitholder. Might as well cure the shakes I have about getting this set. The used set went for ~150€ and the new price is over 400€.

Hopefully it's a legit place.

 

[billymade]

If you can find them,used tools seem like a no brainer to me; German tools seem just as good, if not better then Snapon. My used Snapon sockets I have gotten even from the 1950's have looked hardly used, show very little wear if any; many times after I have put them in a rust remover, they look new! Just goes to show you that a professional tool, no matter what the brand or era; will stand up to the test of time and work for a lifetime! Some of the older stuff had chrome peel but I am sure, that with the matte finish; this would be even less of a issue!

 

[jerk_chicken]

Pulled the trigger on the 1/2" metric full set (8100 sc2). Hopefully I'll have some feedback soon. Hazets will come at a later time, over time.

What I liked about the set was the grooved sockets, which can be helpful with my Armstrongs which don't have socket releases. I just hope they are of high quality. The other thing is the videos don't show them as marked with their sizes.

If I like them, I'll get the 3/8 and 1/4 as well, or get some Hazets and just get the Zyklop. It's admittedly attractive to get the whole set in the nice metal box and carry everything just like that, including the bit holder. Don't worry, I'll still be duplicating lots of this as Hazet, and possibly their tool cart, so I could just container everything when I come back to the US.

Speaking of bit holders, it appears the one included with the 1/2 set is 5/16". I assumed most were 1/4 (which is actually available as well separately), but I don't know how that works out since I've never used one before.

I have to do an oil change on my car soon, so this might come in handy to get the undertray bolts off faster.

 

[jerk_chicken]

Just received my 1/2" "Top Line" set in metric. The note about that is the "deluxe" set has the so called "top line" extenders with the locks on them, as well as more pieces, such as the bit adapter and wobble. I don't know if there are any differences to the sockets. Likely not, but I also read some wording that only eluded to it.

The sockets are pretty damn heavy, as are the extenders. The ratchet itself is really heavy, but that's part of the design, which does as advertised. That weight helps the ratchet spin when inline and spin bolts off. I have to say it does work, and it, as well as the extenders, have composite "slip sleeves" that allow spinning. Just grab the sleeve and spin the handle.

Reversing using that toothed ring was a bit odd for me. It takes roughly 95-100 degrees of turning to change directions. I haven't used round heads in years, so I have nothing to compare. Regardless, in the limited use I had today, it worked well and I really dug the engagement. It's still a bit tight, and on that note, there appears to be lube in the mech and on the head angle switch. Handle feels good, though I didn't have a change to use it under other circumstances requiring large torques.

It's an aside, but the box is metal and really nicely made. If the rest of the term with it is as good, then I'll likely be getting the two smaller drive sets. They aren't that expensive here (this set was €193 shipped, and the 1/4" runs in the low 100's, with the 3/8" right around the same price as the 1.2").

I won't go so far to say they might be up there as a daily use set, either for the ratchets or sockets, but there is likely a place for them. Maybe the occasional use, handyman at a company, occasional mechanic, etc. I have no evidence to limit its use, other than common sense about such things as the bolts. You guys might have better daily use info with your own swivel heads from Britool, HF, and SO.

 

[FNFS2000]

beautiful tools!

 

[jerk_chicken]

Oh, should mention also a small touch: the case's handle is of the Wera handle design, but as a miniature. The case itself is pretty heavy.

 

[billymade]

Jerk, everything from the sockets to the ratchet; look so beefy, I can't see how they wouldn't hold up to use! The quality looks better then most tools I see in the market place; are you going to buy the other sets as well? Keep us posted on your opinion and thoughts of your Zyklop set, the more you use them! Also, are the socket spaces have a spring loaded button that makes them easier to remove? I thought I remembered something about that in the video...... ?

 

[jerk_chicken]

I will get the other sets based on more use from this. I also have some stahlwille and hazet lined up on the wish list, but preliminarily, I like these enough to get them. They are convenient for trips and bike repair, owing in part to their casing and combinations. I've wanted a fine tooth ratchet for a while, so this fits that criteria as well. I need more use out of it, but unfortunately, my days of major auto repair are behind, aside from eventual brake jobs and the odd repair here and there. Most of it goes into bike repair.

I would likely not buy this at full price, owing in part to the non-German manufacture (I've learned that if anything in Germany does not have the country of origin anywhere, that means it's made overseas, and most products here are scams where they let people think they are German by omitting the origin altogether). However, at the pricing I got it, I feel it was pretty fair. Only time will tell, as far as proving me right or wrong.

Nice souvenir of Germany, I would say.


Nothing spring loaded to eject the sockets. Just a conventional QR button and that's it. The actuator shaft goes through the end, but it doesn't push off the socket.

 

[48548]

So how is the group buy coming along, I am getting to point where I am going to have to buy one soon... Have we come up with any deal yet? I am serious about wanting all 3 sizes, ratchets only for now.

 

[FNFS2000]

Do group buys ever work? I imagine if a bunch of people lived close to eachother they could all pick up from someone that got a big shipment.

 

[billymade]

The group buy was never initiated; because, none of the vendors I emailed responded.....

 

[Monte]

Already available as rebranded version from "Förch"....

 

[48548]

Is it any cheaper?

 

[Monte]

They are offered through on of these direct distribution companies (like "wurth") so usually these tools are more expensive than the original...(don`t have a price though)

 

[S85B50]

Hi,
I found some Zyklops on eBay Germany. I would buy it for you and send it to the us if you´re interested.



1/4 54$
http://cgi.ebay.de/WERA-8000-A-Zykl...trkparms=65:12|66:1|39:1|72:2140|293:1|294:25

3/8 61$
http://cgi.ebay.de/WERA-8000-B-Zykl...trkparms=65:12|66:1|39:1|72:2140|293:1|294:25

1/2 62$
http://cgi.ebay.de/WERA-8000-C-Zykl...trkparms=65:12|66:1|39:1|72:2140|293:1|294:25


Shipment would be about 19 $

I found this set for 382$

http://cgi.ebay.de/Wera-Zyklop-Stec...trkparms=65:12|66:1|39:1|72:2140|293:1|294:25

 

[2LCENTER]

In stock and ready to ship. www.toolcenterinc.com

 

[FiftyCalAl]

In stock and ready to ship. www.toolcenterinc.com

went to your website and left after 5 minutes of frustration trying to find pricing info for Wera

 

[Monte]

 

[southpier]

Why wouldn't they be made in Germany?

china's cheepa.


no one can seriously think the US is the only country outsourcing....