nine4's projects, restorations and blunders

[WallynSC]

One of my favorite threads.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nine, the DP looks great!

Hmmm, "one lamp to rule them all, and in the light, Bind them!

 

[nine4gmc]

Thanks guys! Here is the production table after finishing.

I'm working on the Atlas this week so watch for another DP resto coming soon.

 

[jakemac]

Nine, the DP looks great!

Hmmm, "one lamp to rule them all, and in the light, Blind them!

Fixed it for ya

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Nine, I've got three already printed on transfer paper ready to go. Send me your address and I'll send one your way. Or PM me for other options. They can be tricky to put on, but if you've done water slide before, you should be able to do it in one try. (It took me two) And I haven't touched water slide in 20 years.
IIRC, you couldn't read your model number, correct? This was the 1/3hp I did. I think is a circa 1965. I have a few different year models with basically the same frame. The biggest difference in this frame style is the Labels physical size and verbiage, the center band, and the switch. My '58 uses the same frame but the features above are all different.
Untitled by Fyrme, on Flickr
Untitled by Fyrme, on Flickr

Fyrme, is the metal band painted or bare metal finish? If paint, what kind?

That grinder is beautiful...

After cleaning my belt sander and stand up, I decided that a $3.96 restoration was in order so I wire cupped everything visible and hit it with a can of Rustoleum Charcoal to finish off.
Hard to tell from the pics but it looks like a million dollars standing next to it

I'm also going to try my hand at some plastic emblem casting/reproduction so if anyone has any personal experience, chime in! This plaster of paris did not work(my fault for messing with it before it dried) so tomorrow I am off to pick up a silicone/plastic resin kit.

I'm tempted to give the Cman a $4 paint job. At least I threaten my tools that I will. I haven't followed through, but there's a first time for everything.


On the mold casting, try Alumilite. It is better quality casting kits. Not cheap but good stuff.

If you want to goof around with cheap stuff go to Hobby Lobby and grab a resin casting kit. I used that for a few gun parts when building holsters.

Thanks Bonneyman!

Drives, I went through progressively finer grits of sand paper spinning the pole on the lathe. I was using Johnsons paste wax but a guy I met from CL gave me a can of FLUID FILM and I have been using that on all my bare metal ever since. I was wondering about the best belts to use, may have to check them out. The lamp is one of my most prized possession's right now, I call her "precious"...

Thanks for stopping in guys!

For a DP belt I grabbed an Acculink from HF on the recommendation from FrankLee. It's a cool belt, sizeable. Comes in a 5' length.

I also have the standard rubber belts too. I purchased Gates brand on rec from Outlaw.

I suppose it'll come down to which you like best. I don't think its overboard that I have more parts than I need

 

[Fyrme]

Girl, it is painted. IIRC it is a GM Silver of some kind. It was as close as I could get to the original color without dropping big bucks on custom two stage automotive custom mixed paint.

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Girl, it is painted. IIRC it is a GM Silver of some kind. It was as close as I could get to the original color without dropping big bucks on custom two stage automotive custom mixed paint.

Ok, thanks. Might have to pick some up for myself.
I worked on the center band of my motor but it is so pitted that the paper barely made a dent.

 

[nine4gmc]

Thanks Girl, there is a full blown hobby store here that I intended to hit today but was busy, not to mention all the hobby lobby, michaels and others.

The belt we were talking about is for the 2x48" belt sander you quoted, not the dp.

 

[nine4gmc]

Atlas tore down after much, much struggle. Sand blasted, wire wheeled and washed ready for prime and paint.

Got 6/8 bearings, the Atlas has two funny bearings that I'm waiting on...

 

[-Brent-]

Man... you get stuff done! I thought I got a lot accomplished but I'm not worthy. When you get a moment, care to expound on how you added a couple hours to the day? You can't be operating on 24, like the rest of us.

 

[nine4gmc]

I don't work on a normal schedule, I work on things as time/opportunity sees fit. Gotta really get things done when it's 80 degrees and sunshine like lately though!

Jamming out during the etch primer, here is the final coats curing. The Rustoleum Charcoal is an almost perfect match for the Atlas OEM color.

 

[taumac]

I like that work table. Think I'm gonna steal that idea for one of my flip tables.



Have a good one, Gerard

Florida GJers ( FGJ)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=117

The 5 Stitches Garage
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211899

 

[nine4gmc]

Thanks Taumac, did I show how the table folds away? Can't remember

There is a nice hard wood butcher block top for my multi tool stand in here somewhere, can you see it?

 

[taumac]

No you didnt. I was referring to the flip up tables I made/ going to make. I gonna use the idea I used on my welding table to build 2 flip up tables on back of my craftsman bottom rollers. I was wondering what the flip up would be either wood, steel, etc. I like that table so I gonna make one expanded metal like that.



Have a good one, Gerard

Florida GJers ( FGJ)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=117

The 5 Stitches Garage
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211899

 

[taumac]

I can see a lot of nice pieces in there. That should be fun getting it out lol



Have a good one, Gerard

Florida GJers ( FGJ)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=117

The 5 Stitches Garage
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211899

 

[nine4gmc]

15 minutes with the Milwaukee cordless and I have a multi tool table top, decorative hat/coat/key rack back board and some smaller misc pieces of wood for future projects.

The expanded metal table is my new go to table for outside work. Perfect for washing things off, painting, grinding, sawing, welding, etc. It was a folding table from the school board auction, had a laminated particle board top that was toast. The metal looked like a gate that got thrown away and my scrap guy pulled it from the dumpster. I cut it down length wise, welded the end back on and welded it to the folding legs.

 

[taumac]

Nice, I repurposed my flip welding table from a window security bars. Friend got them and he got me one and one to his FIL.



Have a good one, Gerard

Florida GJers ( FGJ)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=117

The 5 Stitches Garage
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211899

 

[nine4gmc]

Finally got all the bearings in for both DP's, should have them together soon.

 

[sasquatch12]

Nice work 94, great to see older machines rebuilt and reused again.

 

[organ]

One complaint... this thread is lacking on the blunders side... 5 stars.

 

[drivesitfar]

Nine it's a kick watching you work. did you really get a piano just for the wood parts? by the way do you have a "free" section down in your area?

we have one up here if i happen to need some supplies that i'll check before heading to the store. rather i use something like that than have it go to the dump or burned.

 

[nine4gmc]

Nice work 94, great to see older machines rebuilt and reused again.

Thanks sasquatch!

One complaint... this thread is lacking on the blunders side... 5 stars.

Super thanks! I have a couple blunders I will post this week, really dumb move on the drill press rebuild...

Nine it's a kick watching you work. did you really get a piano just for the wood parts? by the way do you have a "free" section down in your area?

we have one up here if i happen to need some supplies that i'll check before heading to the store. rather i use something like that than have it go to the dump or burned.

Your "free" section sounds like heaven. It would go to **** around here, people don't take care of free things...

Had some good weather so I hit the green auction cabinets with some fresh rustoleum, Then, I after banging them back into shape, I built a toe kick and installed them. Luckily I had an extra lab table top hanging around that was 4'x6', perfect once I cut it in two. The missing cabinet area is a doggie door into the air conditioned office for my pooch. I plan to install 2-3 vises, some wall cabinets and possibly pegboard this week if the weather cooperates.

 

[drivesitfar]

great looking cabinets Nine. keepers and is that a new wall to do your storage magic to?

here is a link to your "free" section of Craigs which might have a thing or two for you to grab in the future. mostly pets when i did a quick check, but there was another piano in case you need another one.

http://batonrouge.craigslist.org/zip/

i think all cities have one of these sections in case you and other GJ members want to save some good stuff from hitting the dumps especially if you can use them.

 

[taumac]

Wow, Nice cabinets.... I wish I had your space to do that.



Have a good one, Gerard

Florida GJers ( FGJ)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/group.php?groupid=117

The 5 Stitches Garage
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211899

 

[nine4gmc]

great looking cabinets Nine. keepers and is that a new wall to do your storage magic to?

here is a link to your "free" section of Craigs which might have a thing or two for you to grab in the future. mostly pets when i did a quick check, but there was another piano in case you need another one.

http://batonrouge.craigslist.org/zip/

i think all cities have one of these sections in case you and other GJ members want to save some good stuff from hitting the dumps especially if you can use them.

For some reason, I forgot about CL and thought you had a "free" section somewhere in your town. Like stop by the old payless parking lot or something...

 

[Craptain]

I get a lot of chemicals for free. We have the "Swapshop" for recycling chemicals, paints etc. http://www.pinellascounty.org/utilities/swapshop.htm
Also CL as mentioned and Freecycle for other free stuff.

 

[nine4gmc]

Nine, I've got three already printed on transfer paper ready to go. Send me your address and I'll send one your way. Or PM me for other options. They can be tricky to put on, but if you've done water slide before, you should be able to do it in one try. (It took me two) And I haven't touched water slide in 20 years.
IIRC, you couldn't read your model number, correct? This was the 1/3hp I did. I think is a circa 1965. I have a few different year models with basically the same frame. The biggest difference in this frame style is the Labels physical size and verbiage, the center band, and the switch. My '58 uses the same frame but the features above are all different.
Untitled by Fyrme, on Flickr
Untitled by Fyrme, on Flickr

You are the f'n MAN!!! Pics do not do justice, these labels are just perfect.

 

[Fyrme]

 

[nine4gmc]

Here is the "multi-tool" I have been yapping about. I used the Craftsman two pole base, made a motor plate for a 3/4 hp Craftsman motor and salvaged the hardwood plank from a piano for the top.

Or I can use it as a miter saw/chop saw or router table stand.

I plan to refinish the stand, then each power tool as needed.

 

[jakemac]

I'd like to find one of those stands to mount twin grinders on.

 

[Fyrme]

Agreed. I have my '63 1/2hp with wire wheels and my '56 1/3hp with fine and coarse grinding wheels I'd love to mount side by side. I've got my 1/3hp on a single now, but have been thinking about removing it and mounting it on a different bench to accomplish the task.

 

[nine4gmc]

One complaint... this thread is lacking on the blunders side... 5 stars.

Not to disappoint, it's kind of hard to tell from the pic but the clip is screwed and this is the second, less damaged one. I got the Delta DP halfway mocked up and realized that I had messed up the order that things need to be reassembled. While banging parts loose, I forgot about a set screw and bent the **** out of a clip and damaged a brand new bearing having to reorder another. As soon as I got the new bearing in, I jumped right on assembly again getting farther along than the first time. It hit me again, I had to bang everything back apart to put another part on that should have went on before everything else. That's when I damaged the other clip, luckily I remembered the set screw and did not damage the new bearing the second time.

So third time is a charm right, wrong... I get the DP all put back together again only to notice that the motor mount needed to go on before the belt guard and so EVERYTHING had to come apart once more.... I get the machine back apart and hang the motor mount in place, put everything back together to find that the motor mount has too much play, someone used roll pins in the bolt holes and it needs to be fixed. I grab the roll pin with some vise grips and try to twist/pull it out, it breaks off even with the bolt hole. This bolt hole is only like 3/4"-1" deep and ends solid in the casting, I can not access the roll pin from the back to drive it out to I go to drilling on it. Several bits later, one breaks off in the roll pin so then there is a spring steel roll pin with a HS drill bit broke off in it filling the hole. I fiddled with it and some easy outs and finally got the drill bit tip out reopening the roll pin hole. By now, I'm going nuts in this biotch.

I found a cutter tip screw that barely fit the inside of the roll pin and thought I could use it to pull the pin out by gripping the inside, I ran it in and what happens.... It breaks off filling the roll pin hole again and that brings me to now where unless I can get this **** out, the Delta head is trash... it's already so screwed it needs repainting but I'm not wasting any more time prettying it until I find out if I can save it.


ANY IDEAS WELCOME

 

[rickhigginshtbr]

ouch man... by the looks of it, just keep drilling, if there was at least an inch sticking out, you could put a small body work slide hammer on it and pull it out.

 

[Fyrme]

Nine, have you used a cobalt drill, or just a HHS? I'm sure you already know this, but they are breaking because of the split down the side of the pin. I'd try to start out by tapping the broken screw down in there a tad further giving you a good counter sink. Then drill the hole out just slightly bigger. That way you're drill is cutting on the outside of that split rather than the inside. Is it a threaded hole they put the pin in or just a blind hole? If threaded, drill it out to the next biggest bolt size, even if you have to go metric. Clear as mud?

 

[nine4gmc]

Hey Rick, I tried the small body puller every time I found something that would stick in the hole of the roll pin. I think the problem is, the hole in the drill press is threaded and when I run anything up inside the roll pin, it spreads open and tightens into the threads preventing it from just pulling out.

Fyrme, I went through a couple garage sale gold plated **** bits before finding some HS bits and they lasted longer but still wear the tip down or break, depending how deep I get. The cutter tip screw bottomed out, it won't go in any farther and the hole in the cast head is threaded(read above). I'll try a lil larger bit and see...

Thanks guys.

 

[Craptain]

Can you get to the other side and drill a small hole there to knock it out?

 

[nine4gmc]

No, the bolt hole is in the thick part of the cast that runs top to bottom. Blind hole and without drilling through 6" of cast, I only have access to the hole shown.

 

[Outlawmws]

Roll pins are very hard spring steel, so tough to drill...

Putting something down the center makes the pin tighter...

drill screw tip: hard but probably not as hard as the roll pin...

Hmmm... All that hardness, maybe take a small carbide drill (masonry? I know some have done that..) and core the center of the pin. then the next size up to ream it further?

Carbide cutter , so use carbide cutting speeds (into hardened steel) and setup in a DP if at all possible.

 

[Outlawmws]

Also, Heat: get a small torch tip and heat the pin and remains red, then let cool. That should soften things somewhat.

 

[nine4gmc]

I tried a couple carbide router bits in the cordless yesterday, rounded them off. I have it all back apart and the head clamped on my Craftsman DP table now and have been drilling with some DeWalt bits. Looks like it just reamed the cast head some and pressed the roll pin/screw tip to the bottom of the hole....The DeWalt bits are not rounding off but they are not cutting the spring steel at all it seems.

Forgot to mention I even tried tapping the inside of the roll pin(one of the first things I tried) and threading a bolt in to pull on but the bolt just pulled right out.

I have a small propane torch like for soldering/thawing pipes, think that would work?