oh hell no. let's see your cheater bars
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i know, i know but you do what you got to to complete the task.
rickairmedic
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Ok I dont have a picture handy but I generaly use 1&1/2"-2" PVC pipe as a cheater and have several differant lengths of it around . I have yet to break one either and have used a 6 footer on my 1/2" breaker to remove lugnuts no problem .
Rick
Rick
Gtamazing
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Why is your vise pink?
Zebu Fellenz
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I don't own cheater bars.
If I can't get it off with a 3/4" drive socket, 4' breaker bar, and a little persuasion from our backhoe it can stay on and I'll work around it!
If I can't get it off with a 3/4" drive socket, 4' breaker bar, and a little persuasion from our backhoe it can stay on and I'll work around it!
GeorgiaHybrid
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I just use a 4' jack handle if the 24" breaker bar or ratchet won't break it. If the 4' jack handle doesn't work, it's time to break out the torch.
I use an old handle from an aluminum jack someone was throwing away. This is a 3/4" ratchet, but I needed to generate 340 ft/lbs of torque and I didn't have a 3/4" torque wrench. My own weight 25" from center did the trick.
It stores away down under my bench.
It stores away down under my bench.
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Case IH
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I use an old handle from an aluminum jack someone was throwing away. This is a 3/4" ratchet, but I needed to generate 340 ft/lbs of torque and I didn't have a 3/4" torque wrench. My own weight 25" from center did the trick.
It stores away down under my bench.
Is that some sort of mathematical equation?
Mr.Nutcase
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tool Abuser.........
hdossett
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Sound like the equation my brother used on his motor home wheel lugs. Said he needed 860 ft lbs. of torque. He weighs 215, used a 4 ft. cheater with a jack stand as a fulcrum. 4'x215# = 860 ft. lbs. Just like Jack!
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Gtamazing
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Well if force was applied 12" from the center a full 340lbs of force would be required to torque the wheel. But if the lever was extended to 24" half the force would be needed. My guess is are friend Jack weighs around 170lbs
That's quite a **** load of pliers you got there...
bart1
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I have exactly what Jack has. And if I ever need to torque the rear axle nuts on my Porsche, I will do what be did, except I would use a breaker bar. 
What do you use that long extension for?
GTAMAZING is correct, but let me put it another way for those still struggling.
Torque is nothing but force (weight in this case) times length which it's applied at. Hence the units of torque being Newton-meters, pound-feet, pound-inches, etc. Just remember that you have to get the units to work out correctly.
So....
170 lbs X 25 inches = 4250 in-lbs
4250 in-lbs / 12 inches per foot = 354 ft-lbs
4x4gearhead
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Cheater bars are sometimes necessary in my profession I suppose you could be called bleeding heart.........
4x4gearhead
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How old would that one be? it resembles my 3/4" with the 36" handle.
Hotdog
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Love it!!!
NOTABLAZER
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I have a handle from an old 3.5 ton floor jack they were tossing out at work,haven't had to use it yet,thankfully.
LSVLance
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That is VERY cool...
I also use my floor jack handle whenever some extra persuasion is necessary...
bmwohio
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I use an old handle from an aluminum jack someone was throwing away. This is a 3/4" ratchet, but I needed to generate 340 ft/lbs of torque and I didn't have a 3/4" torque wrench. My own weight 25" from center did the trick.
It stores away down under my bench.
Nice Fuchs, is that an old 911?
kbkna
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GearHead, I know some airplane mechanics that would love that extension. I have seen them duct tape 6 12 inch extensions together in order to manually open the starter valve on jet engines. Way cool and I think you win!
Yes sir, it is.
Although, those wheels are made by taking Fuchs centers and TIG welding them into barrels that were made for Corvettes. It's one of the few ways to get 9.5x11x17 Fuchs.
asp
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I use a 3.5' long pipe from my 60" hi-lift. Sometimes I use my 3lb sledge to whack the end of the ratchet if I don't have room for a cheater bar. Either of these in combination with my oxy ace torches will either unscrew or break anything I come up against in my regular hobbyist mechanic duties.
Call me a hack, but it gets the job done and Sears is 15 minutes away. My ratchets have been lasting 1.5 years or so until they're smoked. (60 tooth thin profile)
Call me a hack, but it gets the job done and Sears is 15 minutes away. My ratchets have been lasting 1.5 years or so until they're smoked. (60 tooth thin profile)
asp
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No one has mentioned PVC anything in this thread...
Buckgnarly
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bmwohio
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Yes sir, it is.
Although, those wheels are made by taking Fuchs centers and TIG welding them into barrels that were made for Corvettes. It's one of the few ways to get 9.5x11x17 Fuchs.
Sorry for the OT posts
Very Nice! My dad has 70 911T with a 2.2. Is that a 3.2 in yours? Those flared fenders are awesome. I couldn't tell how deep dish those wheels were until you posted this picture above...very nice conversion. Do you do any PCA events? Vintage race? Autocross? Etc?
Here is a few shot of my dads, and a video of me autocrossing it. Can you say snap oversteer ?
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Lump
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Hmmmm. Sounds a lot like my wife. She's an old "odd piece", she's too big to use, and if I get on her nerves, she'll SNAP on me in a New York minute!
Oops! I think I hear her knuckles dragging down the hallway. Gotta go!
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rayzor32
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Yeah I pay all that money for snap on, if it can't take being "abused" then they can build it stronger or warranty it
bmwohio
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Hey man you guys are goin off topic in my awesome thread
Just bringing some more win to the thread
Very Nice! My dad has 70 911T with a 2.2. Is that a 3.2 in yours? Those flared fenders are awesome. I couldn't tell how deep dish those wheels were until you posted this picture above...very nice conversion. Do you do any PCA events? Vintage race? Autocross? Etc?
Here is a few shot of my dads, and a video of me autocrossing it. Can you say snap oversteer ?
Thanks. It's a 1972 tub with a 1977 transaxle, 1986 Turbo brakes, 935-style suspension components, and a 1995 3.6-liter motor in it.
I guess this is on-topic if you consider it a 'cheater car.'
That's a cool video. There's no better learning car, in my opinion. Once you can drive and early 911 fast, every other car is a cake walk.
I've never autocrossed. But I've done time trialing, club racing, and instruct for a handful of different groups (both Porsche-specific and not).
Some videos:
Now back to your regularly-scheduled 'cheater bar' thread.
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Coach James
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For anyone that uses this, always remember to use the force that is at a 90 degree angle to the cheater bar/ratchet/pipe etc.
Coach
asp
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welp, i missed that one before. Sorry guys I'm going to have to make a cheater bar of sorts to torque the kingpins of my Dana 60 to 600ftlb while only using a torque wrench that goes up to 250 ft lb. I'm hoping I don't snap the damn thing.
rickairmedic
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PVC:
Good for cheater bars, bad for air lines
Don't cross it up!
Exactly I have never broken a schedule 40 pvc pipe using it as a cheater ( but I still wouldnt use them for airlines
) .Rick