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Bamacruiser98

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Good afternoon, we were out of town for a wedding in Sevierville TN this past weekend and during some down time I searched marketplace locally just see if there was any old stuff around. Surprisingly there was a vtg chicken wire safety window which I collect. We got back yesterday so I started the routine of cleaning it up and noticed a brass tag that I overlooked several times. I've never seen a window company that did this but I was very happy to see it bc identifying the manufacturer is very hard these sashes. We have any old industrial collectors in here? I correct several different things but the industrial stuff is up there with my favorite so I couldn't pass up this one for 20$. I haven't dug into the company yet but from the brief article I read they closed in the 1920s but I'm not sure how accurate that is, I'll do a deep dive later. I try to find the original advertisement for whatever piece I'm restoring and then print it out to go with the piece once it's ready for display.
 

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BurtEggley

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Lots of those windows down in South Fl and the Caribbean. We had doors and windows made of it when I was a kid and we were stationed in San Juan PR. The wire slows debris in a hurricane from taking out the window. S. Fl also has a lot of jalousie windows in older homes.
 
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Bamacruiser98

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Lots of those windows down in South Fl and the Caribbean. We had doors and windows made of it when I was a kid and we were stationed in San Juan PR. The wire slows debris in a hurricane from taking out the window. S. Fl also has a lot of jalousie windows in older homes.
Ah ok, never heard of that purpose but makes sense. In cities they were used as more of a safety and security feature, for example if someone broke it glass wouldn't go flying as well as make it a little harder to get through. They are still being used in a lot of old buildings across the country but now people want them for different reasons so they can bring decent money, may take a few months but I've sold a few. I'm more interested in the tags and why I don't see them on more windows but I guess certain manufacturers used them and some didn't. It's just a nice touch that some companies did back then.
 

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Before windows they were known as Allison Steel Forgings.
They seemed to have disappeared darning the depression in the 1930's
Though their treasurer was famous for being convicted of vice and rum running right as prohibition ended so he never served a day of the 18 month sentence or paid the $10g fine John J McClure was also a state senator at the time and remained in the senate until defeated in the election of 1936.
https://www.library.pasen.gov/people/member-biography?id=5161
I was unable to find a address for them other then Chester PA.
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also I remember seeing it in schools and hospitals in the 1950's and 60's. My GUESS is that it is made by laying chicken wire on top of a sheet of hot glass and another sheet laid on top of that and then rolled for thickness. All the ones I remember has a mottled or raindrop type surface on them. It was really common in some locations. The USCG bases we were at sometimes had it too when I was a kid, but they tended to be in hurricane prone areas.
 

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I retired eleven years ago but up until that time we were still using this glass in doors into machine rooms and the like. Usually in 10" x 10" OR 4" x 25" door glass. There was some requirement that door windows be no more than 100 square inches into hazardous spaces. I think that stairwell door glass fell into that same category. Years ago I could have quoted all of that stuff but now I hardly remember my own name. All that said just to say that they are (or were) still making it.

Anyway, what you bought is pretty cool and almost assuredly pretty old.
 

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Like others have posted, I've seen them on old buildings. I distinctly remember them on many door windows of my high school, which opened in 1929 (though I attended much much later!). I recall reading that the embedded wire was for fire protection but I don't know if that is the only purpose. The UL listing of the OP's window would seem to confirm a fire safety purpose.
 

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interesting. Sort of a barbed wire sort of thing in the sense that even though it is still made and common, there is a market for old used pieces of it, that end up in collections shown in garages, barns, and owner caves.
 

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A lot of chicken wire glass is for fire rating, keeps the glass from blowing out. Still used today, although not as common as in the past.

Cool tag on there!
 

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From this link:
Each year hundreds of children and young adults are seriously or permanently injured in wired glass accidents. According to Dr. Philip Graitcer, Center for Injury Control at Rollins School of Public Health in Atlanta, this figure could be much higher.

“Since 1977 only wired glass and tempered or laminated glass (safety glass) have been permitted in hazardous locations such as school doors or door side panels. If there is any annealed or plate glass in these installations, they are part of an original door installation dated before 1977, or they are part of an illegal replacement. Tempered and laminated glasses are unlikely to produce the kinds of lacerations and cuts that are reported. I would conservatively estimate that 90% of the 2,500 glass door injuries seen each year in the CPSC (Consumer Products Safety Commission) system involve wired glass,” states Graciter.

In response to pressure from advocacy groups, glass industry members, and various state representatives, building codes are changing. The 2003 IBC and NFPA 5000 codes have eliminated the use of wired glass in the construction of all educational and athletic facilities. The state of Oregon may soon become the first in the nation to protect its citizens from the debilitating injuries caused by human impact with wired glass in all occupancies, not just educational and athletic facilities.

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It's been awhile (long time since retirement) but when I was a plans examiner and lifesafety code inspector, the use of chicken glass was to maintain integrity of door windows during fires. Advances in materials has made them obsolete in many occupancies. Changes in occupancies compels the structure to be updated to comply with the regulations currently in-place for that classification of occupancy.


From NFPA 257:

This edition of NFPA 257, Standard on Fire Test for Window and Glass Block Assemblies, was prepared by the Technical Committee on Fire Tests. It was issued by the Standards Council on July 28, 2006, with an effective date of August 17, 2006, and supersedes all previous editions. This edition of NFPA 257 was approved as an American National Standard on August 17, 2006. Origin and Development of NFPA 257 This standard was tentatively adopted by NFPA in 1969 and officially adopted in 1970. Subsequent revisions were released in 1975, 1980, 1985, and 1990. The 1996 edition of NFPA 257 was a complete rewrite that included editorial and technical revisions. Many of the editorial and technical revisions were made to parallel those of NFPA 252, Standard Methods of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies. The technical revisions included modifications to the furnace pressure. The neutral pressure was eliminated so that the test assembly could be tested to the pressure required by other code requirements (i.e., NFPA 101 ® , Life Safety Code ® , and the model building codes). In addition, the duration of the test method was extended beyond the 45 minutes required in previous editions to allow for the testing of new glazing materials. The 2000 edition was completely revised for the purposes of consistency and editorial reformatting. This document was modified so that the test protocols and equipment used would be more consistent with the provisions found in NFPA 251, Standard Method of Tests of Fire Endurance of Building Construction and Materials, and NFPA 252, Standard Method of Fire Tests of Door Assemblies. This revision recognized the positive pressure testing required by some of the model building codes. It also provided greater clarification on how to conduct the hose stream test to achieve greater repeatability and reproducibility. The 2007 edition is a complete revision for compliance with the Manual of Style for NFPA Technical Committee Documents. It also contains revisions to its scope and purpose Copyright NFPA
 

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Don't see much of it around here anymore. Mostly the older industrial stuff. I must say, I've never heard of anyone that collects it.
 
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Very interesting find. I have a project in mind that will involve this type of glass, woodworking and stained glass work. Have you tried, or know how to cut chicken wire glass?
 

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I've always known that to be called "safety" glass, I can tell you from personal experience it ain't very safe when you get thrown through it.

If I ever have to change the man door to my shop I would love to find an old door that has that glass in place.
 

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I owned a commercial building in our little city for about 20 years. The alley side windows were all of this type. The building was constructed in 1920, (or '16, depending on which records you used). Local fire marshal told me this was fire code from way back when.

Interesting thing is that the street side windows were normal 50s/60s store front plate in aluminum frames.
 

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I owned a commercial building in our little city for about 20 years. The alley side windows were all of this type. The building was constructed in 1920, (or '16, depending on which records you used). Local fire marshal told me this was fire code from way back when.

Interesting thing is that the street side windows were normal 50s/60s store front plate in aluminum frames.
The means of egress were required to use it when the building was constructed. Like 1920's industrial buildings in NYC, using sprinklers, it was an advancement in the building code begun to increase safety for the occupancy.

I agree, this is the first I've heard of someone collecting it. Using it for furniture doors makes for an interesting construction.
 

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Yes “safety” glass was what I heard it called as a contractor.. even “fire glass”. When there’s a fire it stays in place and continues to act as a smoke (or flame) barrier in a fire. Secondarily in a door and before tempered glass it was “safety” glass; that way when you trip and fall into or slam the door the giant razor sharp and pointy glass triangles stay in place and don’t sever an artery!
For security it’s only gonna keep honest people out; easily defeated with a hammer and gloves for the “reach through” to open the door in 3 seconds.
 

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Quick research shows Allison Steel, a window manufacturer was at 2nd and Palmer in Chester. Started by T.W. Allison. Joyce Steel occupied the building by 1951 after a lengthy vacancy.
 
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Bamacruiser98

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Very interesting find. I have a project in mind that will involve this type of glass, woodworking and stained glass work. Have you tried, or know how to cut chicken wire glass?
That's a negative but I buy new panes locally I've asked them before and they said yes so find you a local place and I bet they'd cut it but they'll say if broken they're not responsible but those dudes do that all day I trust them.
 
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Bamacruiser98

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I've always known that to be called "safety" glass, I can tell you from personal experience it ain't very safe when you get thrown through it.

If I ever have to change the man door to my shop I would love to find an old door that has that glass in place.
Better keep an eye out now bc if you buy it retail it's not cheap. I'm one of the few weirdos that collects it so I always jump on it if cheap. Your typical 6 pane sash can go between 280-500
 

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I worked in a chemical factory for 40 years, and all the glass in the control rooms, offices, lunch rooms, etc. had this glass. Fire rating I guess, but also if an explosion happened, I guess it could help contain small flying items.
 
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Finished product. Now I just have to carry this heavy ******* up the back steps to the man cave to be with the other industrial dinosaurs I've spent too much time on restoring.
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