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Miss the Pontiacs

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IMG_1831.jpegIMG_1830.jpegIMG_1829.jpegI cleaned up an old wrench for my Grandson. He has it temporarily in his tool bag until he gets it hung up.
He asked what it was used for and I was a loss for an explanation. I told him it was likely used on old tractors and probably was 100 years old. Can anyone shed some light on the manufacturer and or it was a standard issue with a certain of machinery. The 2 holes have any significance?
The only marking is LC322.
 
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^ My first guess would be "implement wrench" - intended for use on some sort of farm machinery, but there were all sorts of wrenches with multiple openings that were manufactured for other purposes: gas bottles, power generators, etc.
I just ran across another maker a few days ago while working on the list that kind of surprised me when I saw that the intended use was the construction of silos. "Silo Wrenches" were included with the parts and pieces of the silo. (The brand escapes me at the moment.)

I just ran a Google search for "LC322 wrenchingnews" to no avail.

You might check Stan Schulz's "flickr.com" pages and see if you can find a match. (start at about page 7) (I've been working through it for just over a week and I'm halfway through page 10 right now... entering all those Canadian patent numbers into the list.)

The other option is to start poking through the WrenchingNews "auction" pages, and using the "find" function on your web browser search "LC322" (or just "322") and see if you can get any hits. It's a tedious process, but I've found some real oddballs that way.

To further muddy the waters, bear in mind that many British and German tool makers were also making the "all in one" wrenches for a variety of purposes early on - particularly in the bicycle market.
 
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@Farmer J.
I’m thinking you are likely correct. He did take a shine to it when we were in the garage. He found a bungee and had hung it on my table saw. When I gave it to him, he said “I was thinking about that wrench”. His Mom says he says I been thinking about something fairly pretty often. 😂
Now I have the homework @four.cycle gave me earlier in the thread. 😉
 
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^ My first guess would be "implement wrench" - intended for use on some sort of farm machinery, but there were all sorts of wrenches with multiple openings that were manufactured for other purposes: gas bottles, power generators, etc.
I just ran across another maker a few days ago while working on the list that kind of surprised me when I saw that the intended use was the construction of silos. "Silo Wrenches" were included with the parts and pieces of the silo. (The brand escapes me at the moment.)

I just ran a Google search for "LC322 wrenchingnews" to no avail.

You might check Stan Schulz's "flickr.com" pages and see if you can find a match. (start at about page 7) (I've been working through it for just over a week and I'm halfway through page 10 right now... entering all those Canadian patent numbers into the list.)

The other option is to start poking through the WrenchingNews "auction" pages, and using the "find" function on your web browser search "LC322" (or just "322") and see if you can get any hits. It's a tedious process, but I've found some real oddballs that way.

To further muddy the waters, bear in mind that many British and German tool makers were also making the "all in one" wrenches for a variety of purposes early on - particularly in the bicycle market.
This is incredible. I didn’t realize the work you have put into the “List”. I did find the following:
LC / LC Wrench Division but nothing more.

I checked out the Shultz site and that is an incredible rabbit hole of information.
i did a quick look and found some other wrenches/tools that I own and probably should put on display or hand down to a certain individual when he gets a little older.
All I can say is simply amazing.
 
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I checked out the Shultz site and that is an incredible rabbit hole of information.
Schuz
no "T"

Stan's father published a book on early wrenches. Considered one of the definitive sources on all things "wrench". When you're looking at those wrenchingnews auction sites, or perusing ebay listings for early wrenches, you will see references to "Schulz".

Stan has been involved with "tool" his entire life, as near as I can figure.

I'm just a newbie at this stuff, floundering around and learning and I go along here. ;)
 
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Well, that is an interesting find, and thank you for posting it.
I thought that wrench should look vaguely familiar! We still have a Cockshutt Plough made in Ontario here on the farm. I remember it was was in use until the 1970's, but it's retired as our 'yard art' now, and also a memorial. It arrived here as Lend-Lease in the early 1940's and helped to save us from starvation.
 
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Well, that is an interesting find, and thank you for posting it.
I thought that wrench should look vaguely familiar! We still have a Cockshutt Plough made in Ontario here on the farm. I remember it was was in use until the 1970's, but it's retired as our 'yard art' now, and also a memorial. It arrived here as Lend-Lease in the early 1940's and helped to save us from starvation.
During the 1930s many met the end of their farming careers. My Grandpa told the story that he shipped hogs to Eastern Canada and the shipping bill was more than he got for the hogs. :yikes: So your family was one of the resilient ones that made it through. I don’t remember the phrase lend/lease system but I do remember the adults saying buying something on time. Probably the same thing. I have a quarter of farm land I purchased from my Grandparents that was previously owned by an insurance company. So likely was a purchase made for peanuts during the 30s.
We had a Cockshutt 30 tractor, baler and a sickle mower and that was likely it. I remember when we had the farm auction a stack of element tires. Priced as auction price times as many tires as you wanted. The one that sold first was actually labelled as a Cockshutt tire. Then as you probably know Cockshutt became White equipment that also disappeared like so many other farm equipment manufacturers.
That is cool you have a piece(s) of farm art/memorial in your yard.
 

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So that wrench could also be called the Bonney Bunny. Wait till Elmer hears about this.
If I found one of those at auction I’d be interested if the price was right. I’d hand it near my Gray Gator wrench.
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Bonney had three headed wrenches,
crocodiles, alligators, rabbits and who knows what other beasts. I figured it would fit in with the Bonney Gray Canadian tools.
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Gray-Bonney Tool Co.
Limited
Toronto Canada
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no alligators - "always ready"
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Well, that is an interesting find, and thank you for posting it.
I thought that wrench should look vaguely familiar! We still have a Cockshutt Plough made in Ontario here on the farm. I remember it was was in use until the 1970's, but it's retired as our 'yard art' now, and also a memorial. It arrived here as Lend-Lease in the early 1940's and helped to save us from starvation.
After I read your post I have to admit I really didn’t look at the enclosure Lend/Lease but something just was missing. Especially once I found you were from the UK.
I originally thought as you probably realized we were talking of buying on credit. Then I thought 1940s and the end of WW2. I got thinking why the Cockshutt plow and thought the UK had other items/needs to manufacturer and possibly it was part of an aid package.
So this evening I read the enclosure and have a better sense of your initial post.
I‘m glad the Cockshutt plow served your family well and you have a piece of history Post a pic as I likely have never seen one or remember if I did. Our family used mostly International equipment or earlier McCormick Deering as we had an excellent dealer in the area.
 

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I'm disinclined to go out in the yard and photograph mine today as it's blowing a 50mph North wind and rain, but here's a picture of an identical plough that was sold recently. Mine is even more rusty, but does have some traces of orange paint!
As your Grandparents experienced the early 1930's depression hit farming hard, and in the UK we suffered from cheap imports of grain from Australia and the Canadian Praries and lots of farms here became uneconomic and derelect. My Grandparents held on by keeping dairy cows and hens for eggs and selling directly by delivering around a local town.
When WW2 started here in 1939 the British food production was on it's knees, and the Nazi U boats stopped the imports of food across the Atlantic, so having this modern equipment sent over in the convoys was a tremendous help to us.
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It's just as likely of course that your Grandson's wrench was originally with a hay rake or any other machine,
Maybe the people on the website link below would know more about your wrench, or maybe your Grandson could have a look at it? There's no telling what interest you may spark off in a young man!
 
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I'm disinclined to go out in the yard and photograph mine today as it's blowing a 50mph North wind and rain, but here's a picture of an identical plough that was sold recently. Mine is even more rusty, but does have some traces of orange paint!
As your Grandparents experienced the early 1930's depression hit farming hard, and in the UK we suffered from cheap imports of grain from Australia and the Canadian Praries and lots of farms here became uneconomic and derelect. My Grandparents held on by keeping dairy cows and hens for eggs and selling directly by delivering around a local town.
When WW2 started here in 1939 the British food production was on it's knees, and the Nazi U boats stopped the imports of food across the Atlantic, so having this modern equipment sent over in the convoys was a tremendous help to us.
1100273897.jpeg
It's just as likely of course that your Grandson's wrench was originally with a hay rake or any other machine,
Maybe the people on the website link below would know more about your wrench, or maybe your Grandson could have a look at it? There's no telling what interest you may spark off in a young man!


Thanks for the information. My Grandsons turned 4 in August so any further investigation is on me. We do all sorts of stuff outside and in the garage. My wife generally does the story books and I do more visual aspects that he enjoys. Our thing is to show him on the iPad programs what I used to watch as a kid. Denis the Menace, The Muensters, “old” Bugs Bunny, Car 54, to name a few. And I watch some of his favouite such as Blipi, Paw Patrol which are the current kids fair. Here is a pic of him getting ready to move some Tyndall stone slabs at the lake from the back yard to where I will need them.
I‘ll show him the pic of your plow with a more current machine. Most farmers today here don’t even own a separate cultivator due to no till planting much less a 2 furrow plow. Times have certainly changed. IMG_1182.jpeg
 
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We took our twin 5th graders around the United States in a SUV that had a DVD player for the back seat. I bought the complete set of Rocky and Bullwinkle for them to play when they got bored. They loved it, and for us in the front seats, it was just like listening to a radio show! It brought back many memories.
 

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My Grandson […] would like the third one from the top. So I will be watching the on line auctions. 😂
I have two sizes of those, made by Eberhard Manufacturing Company of Cleveland Ohio. So are these S-wrenches (which I dub “cravat” wrenches).
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If you’re still interested, you can have the lot (or any part of it) for shipping. PM me.

I also have these. I’m pretty attached to the Planet Jr, Star, and Iron Age ones, but the others, less so.
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While the USPS is “monitoring” the aftermath of the Canadian postal strike, Canada-bound service remains suspended, and the online cost calculator is disabled. It may be two weeks before service is reestablished.
 

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T.B.Woods Sons Co is a familiar name for some reason or other ...what did they make.
They currently seem focused on belted drive components.
https://www.tbwoods.com/
But after 150 years in Chambersburg PA, seems they still can make just about anything of gray- or ductile- iron. I have no doubt they made this 5/16” fixed socket wrench.
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They currently seem focused on belted drive components.
https://www.tbwoods.com/
But after 150 years in Chambersburg PA, seems they still can make just about anything of gray- or ductile- iron. I have no doubt they made this 5/16” fixed socket wrench.
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@LesserSon Received wrench shipment today.👍 Just happens my Grandkids are coming in for weekender with us starting tomorrow. He’ll love going through your tools as he gets any duplicates we find. At an online auction I purchased an old drawer tool box with some items included. I’m going to check if the young fellow is interested in a tool box refurb. I’m betting that the new colour scheme will have his favourite colour orange
in the mix. 😉
 
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Did you make the apron?

😂 He is using mine. A couple of Ty wraps and he was good to go. On my garage thread it shows him staining up the handle mounts on a periscope we made. So we didn’t want him messing up his clothes. We are on the lookout for some type of shop apron for him. Maybe I could try my hand at making him one out of some denim. Good idea. I really need another project. 😉
 

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Finally cleaned up the latest implement wrench finds. Included is one Ford branded.

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Also found this unique little british wrench, has a distinct logo. I'll have to do some digging. Maybe somebody here knows what that is. Difference measurements on each side.


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Snail brand. The 3/16 Witworth opening also fits 1/4 British Standard, but I think the "F" refers to something that preceded the introduction of British Standard nomenclature. It may indicate the "F" in BSF (British Standard Fine), or maybe something else, but the wrench opening of a 3/16 Witworth fastener is the same as a 1/4 British Standard (or BSF) fastener.
 
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