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When the last of the little ones left the nest I decided it was time to downsize the house and upsize my garages. I purchased a country home in the center of 6 acres of trees in June 2004. It took months of red tape and didn’t start digging until the first of November. I pulled all the permits, purchased all the materials, subcontracted out parts of the construction and tackled a good part of it myself with the help of several friends over the past 12 months.

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I added a 30x50’ garage attached to the existing 26x30’ side entrance garage. It has 12’ ceiling height one 18x8 2” thick (14.8 R Value) Wayne Dalton garage door with 3’ high lift and a LiftMaster jackshaft opener. All the walls and ceilings have 5/8’ fire rated drywall. The walls have R-19 and the ceiling has R30 insulation. I installed an Amstrong Thru-the-Wall combination ducted forced air gas furnace and electric air conditioner with 64,000 Btu heating and 29,000 Btu cooling.


I added a 36” man door to the existing side entrance garage and increase the door to 8x18’. The old 7x16 door just wasn’t wide enough for two large SUV’s.

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There are a total of 15 double 8-foot fluorescent light fixtures. The center three are controlled by a four-way switch located at each door. Three switches at the front door control 6 lights, while three switches at the rear door control 6 lights.

There are two 50’ long 1” main airline runs with ½” drops along the walls, one with a reel. All 5 of the garages have underground connections to two central 5-HP air compressors with coalescing filters and a refrigerant dryer located in the pole barn.

It took 45 gallons of Sherman William’s epoxy coating for this addition and my two other unattached garages (3,500 square feet total). I just finished that last week and was an experience in itself. I’ll get to that in the flooring section once I resolve some issues with Sherman Williams.
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A 42” steel door opens to 48” wide steps that will take you to the 16x50’ by 7’ tall storage area.
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I was going to leave it unfinished. But decided it wouldn’t take too much effort to add 6” insulation and 5/8 drywall to the 8” ceiling rafters and 48” high knee walls. Four eight foot double tube fluorescent light the area. No heat,, not yet at least.
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It took 400 yards of concrete to complete the project. All cement is 6 ½ sack 4,500 psi mix and at least 6” thick including the garage floors. The front driveway is 16’ wide and 300’ long and a second driveway to the street behind my property is 250’ also 16’ wide. The apron between the garages is large enough that I can make a U-turn with my Avalanche pulling my 26’ car Haulmark Carhauler.
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In order to get around city restrictions I had to build Two 26X38’ garages. That have 12’ 8” ceilings, also with 5/8 drywall, R-19 in walls and R-30 in ceiling. The doors are 16X8’ with 48” of high lift and LiftMaster jackshaft openers. Lighting is six double eight foot fluorescent fixtures. Both headed and air-conditioned by Armstrong units.

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The 30x50’ pole barn existed when I purchased it. The entire inside of the barn has 2” thick polyurethane foam insulation, which I’ll paint white once I take everything out. I installed the drop ceiling with acoustical tile. Then stiffened up the loft and added the 42” wide wooded stairs. They were seconds and cost me $40.00. I increased the 10x10’ door to 14x12.5’ to accommodate my 40' motor home.

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The John Deere tractor may look like a toy; but she proved her worth trenching all the utility lines. The tractor can do anything his big brother’s can do,, just little bits at a time. It is a four-wheel drive three-cylinder diesel and runs all day long on 5 gallons of gas.

I owned that scissors lift for 20 years and only paid $500.00 for it. .



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When I pulled the county electrical permit they said I had to pass a test in order wire the place myself. I may not be a certified electrician, however I have wired homes and factories (3 phase 480 Volt 2500 Amp) for 40 years. And no one was going to tell me I couldn’t do something! Being challenged and knowing they wouldn’t allow me a second chance to take the test, I purchased a new NEC book, studied it for a week and passed with flying colors. Would you believe that if I took the statewide test, I could use the code book? But I couldn’t use it for the county. BTW the secretary there told me few residents pass the test.

I installed the 400 Amp 240 Volt single phase meter box with Unistrut between two 4” diameter steel pipes sunk 3 feet in the ground incased in cement. The 200 Amp load center in the house and one 200 Amp load center in one of the garages are fed from the meter. The other garages and the pole building have a 100 Amp load centers that are fed from one of the 200 Amp boxes. All buildings are fed with 2” underground PVC pipe.

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I had to pay the gas company many $$$$ to have a 4” mainline extended a quarter of a mile to my property. I installed a remote gas meter then ran a 1 ¼ high pressure yellow plastic 250 feet to a step down regulator at the closet garage. That fed the 2 unattached garages and the pole barn. A tee was installed in the high pressure line and a 1” line run to the house to another reducing regulator. Off that regulator I fed the attached garage addition.

The house was all electric and had a Traine electric heat pump. I converted the resistance heading section to a natural gas. The gas isn’t fired up until the outside temperature go below 32 degrees.

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Oh did someone say that I forgot about the bathroom? Well this is what I just finished. Complete with a whirlpool bath.
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Very nice!!! Whatcha got under the cover there a Galaxy, Fairlane maybe? Looks like an old rodster too. Great work on the garages :thumbup:

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nova65ss said:
Very nice!!! Whatcha got under the cover there a Galaxy, Fairlane maybe? Looks like an old rodster too. Great work on the garages :thumbup:

Jimmy

Thanks

I have been planning this for years. I just finished redoing some problem areas in the epoxy floor and have finished adding the base coving. I am now putting together a bridge crane to span 26 feet with a run of 40 feet with a 4,000 pound electric hoist for the attached garage. Then I’ll put in the 3-phase power for all my machinery.


The car under cover is a 1967 Falcon convertible. The yellow car is a 1947 Triumph roadster.
 

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Fan ****** tastic! Tell us about some of the problems you had. Other than the ***** building dept we all have those. LOL!

Wow. I want it!
 

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very impressive and well done too. I like to see someone who does as much of the work themselves as they can. Im sure you will enjoy all that space.
 
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Fan ****** tastic! Tell us about some of the problems you had. Other than the ***** building dept we all have those. LOL!

Wow. I want it!

Most problems I encountered were normal obstacles that one encounters with any project. Overcoming them is learned from past life’s experiences. However dealing with the self-serving beaurocrasy from the city and county far outweighed anything else that I encountered. Sometimes you just need to ask or call the right person for help. I needed to clear a some trees to make room for the new garages and driveways. My skill to fall trees came many years ago from my father. I guess that I didn’t learn my lesson well from him. A slight miscalculated and a 50 high Maple landed against the high tension wires. There is nothing to fool around with 7,000 Volts! So I called the electrical company and they expediently removed it. They didn’t even charge me anything.

On a funny note. One of the neighbor’s potbellied pig kept getting out of his pen and would chase me or one of my workers. He was high strung and sort of cantankerous. As a joke one of my buddies, that is a hunter, painted a white bullseye on his side. We never saw him again. I guess that the neighbor got the hint.

Having the right equipment and or knowing how to improvise will make a job go easier and faster. The scissors lift is quite a time saver on this project. I worked alone quite a bit and it would save lots of ups and downs and made it easy to reposition myself. Let alone not having to climb ladder all the time. I mounted a boom on it and used it as a crane to install the three Armstrong HVAC units and the stairs. I even pulled all the underground wires by myself. Have you ever tried to pull three # 000 THHN and #4 ground through 175 feet of 2” conduit? It also made a breeze putting up the Aluminum siding, Drywall, installing gas and airlines, wiring, lights, and painting. I have used it to set trusses in the past; but I called in a crane this time.
 

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Hey! WHere are you in Ohio? I am in Sunbury. Your issues sound very familiar to the Delaware County **** you have to deal with....although they are probably found everywhere else too.
 

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very, very well done. It's amazing, but 90% of this planet don't have HOMES this nice. Ah yes, the land of opportunity.


I know what you mean about dealing with "county" that has been the biggest unknown in my entire project. I never know if I will pass or be FORCED to change/redo something and there's nobody that will give you definite answers on ANYTHING.


enjoy your new "toybox"

REFLEXX
 
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Kuhlryde said:
Hey! WHere are you in Ohio? I am in Sunbury. Your issues sound very familiar to the Delaware County **** you have to deal with....although they are probably found everywhere else too.

I live in Summit county, just outside of Akron.

I was visiting some friends that live just north of Columbus. The county he lives in has NO zoning laws and the farmers that live there demand it stays that way. No one is going to tell them what they can do or not do on their property is their creed. And if any county official tries to push them through I bet he would be lynched.
 
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REFLEXX said:
very, very well done. It's amazing, but 90% of this planet don't have HOMES this nice. Ah yes, the land of opportunity.


I know what you mean about dealing with "county" that has been the biggest unknown in my entire project. I never know if I will pass or be FORCED to change/redo something and there's nobody that will give you definite answers on ANYTHING.


enjoy your new "toybox"

REFLEXX

I don’t see a stop to production of replacement T-12 fluorescent bulbs,, at least not in my lifetime,, there are far too many fixtures in use. And I don’t know of any mandate for homeowners to stop using them. And if they do, I’ll stock up on the T-12’s before the price skyrockets on them. Heck I stocked upped R12 Freon for my old cars before it came obsolete. Less than the price of its’ replacement R134a sells for today.

We don’t know what the future of the T-8. It is already on its’ second generation. And if all else fails, I’ll replace the ballasts and bulbs in my fixtures when I run out of T_12’s.
 
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Are you sure you don't want to adopt another son now that your kids are gone????

You’re not the first to ask me that. I have raised 10 children already and really don’t want to take on any more. Anyhow I’m living for me now.
 
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REFLEXX said:
very, very well done. It's amazing, but 90% of this planet don't have HOMES this nice. Ah yes, the land of opportunity.


I know what you mean about dealing with "county" that has been the biggest unknown in my entire project. I never know if I will pass or be FORCED to change/redo something and there's nobody that will give you definite answers on ANYTHING.


enjoy your new "toybox"

REFLEXX

Thanks Reflexx

Indeed this is the land of opportunity. I have worked hard over 40 years to build my new retirement complex. And it’s a shame that we have to guide our lives by such ridicules regulations, written by fools. They would not allow me to build a single 3500 square foot building; but because of their incompetence I built it in three pieces. If I had to do it over, I would have said that use was for horses not horsepower. You can get approval for farm use and build up to 10,000 square foot building,, and not even get a permit!
 

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Not to question you but you mentioned pulling three 3/0 and a number 4 ground through the 2 inch conduit. If you reference my most recent of five threads here in the gallery titled detached shop photos 5 you'll see that I can relate with you as I pulled three 3/0 and a number 2 ground through the 2 inch conduit......160 feet total. Anyways, maybe it's just michigan but was told I had to use number 2 for ground even though in the end your ground is only as good as your smallest cable which in most cases is a number 6 at the service panel. Maybe your code is different. Anyways, beautiful property...well done.
 
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muddy said:
Not to question you but you mentioned pulling three 3/0 and a number 4 ground through the 2 inch conduit. If you reference my most recent of five threads here in the gallery titled detached shop photos 5 you'll see that I can relate with you as I pulled three 3/0 and a number 2 ground through the 2 inch conduit......160 feet total. Anyways, maybe it's just michigan but was told I had to use number 2 for ground even though in the end your ground is only as good as your smallest cable which in most cases is a number 6 at the service panel. Maybe your code is different. Anyways, beautiful property...well done.

I don’t claim to be a certified electrician. However I ran over 3,000 feet of romex, Plus 750 feet 10-3 W ground underground romex for driveway lights & future remote gates, installed the remote 400 Amp meter, two 200 amp load centers, Two 100 Amp load centers, and I wasn’t sighted for a single violation. But knowing that every inspector has their pet peeves and rather than look it up in the NEC book, I called and asked if #4 ground wire would pass for a ground. He also approved the #4 wire to the two grounding rods at the 400 Amp meter; and wanted them bonded to each other with #4.
 
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Just installed fourteen 39”x64” Levolor 1’ aluminum blinds in the 3 garages this weekend. I lucked out as they fit perfectly inside the wood casement without special ordering. Though I had to travel to 3 Lowe’s stores to get enough. I prefer aluminum to vinyl because they don’t attract as much dust and they just have a better look. What the heck I installed aluminum siding, soffet and facia rather than vinyl.


The local development board insisted that I match the garage windows to that of the house, including the shutters. I like privacy for security reasons and darkening the glass with film doen’t achieve that at night when the lights are on. I felt blinds would be the best solution and I still can open them when I choose to.

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I quickly leaned that the epoxy coated floor is as slippery as my present garage’s Armstrong VCT tile. One step into the garage with snow on your shoes is like skating on ice. I placed a 36x60”Rubber backed walk off mats in front of each entrance door. The ones that I found at Sam’s have a deeper thread and cost around $15.00 each plus they were made in the good old USA. Not like the Levolor blinds.
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OldCarGuy said:
I don’t claim to be a certified electrician. However I ran over 3,000 feet of romex, Plus 750 feet 10-3 W ground underground romex for driveway lights & future remote gates, installed the remote 400 Amp meter, two 200 amp load centers, Two 100 Amp load centers, and I wasn’t sighted for a single violation. But knowing that every inspector has their pet peeves and rather than look it up in the NEC book, I called and asked if #4 ground wire would pass for a ground. He also approved the #4 wire to the two grounding rods at the 400 Amp meter; and wanted them bonded to each other with #4.

OldCarGuy

Your future remote gates / driveway lights - Are your gates about 750' from the garage? I want to install lights / remote gates but I dont know how much voltage drop would occur from my detached garage to the gates about 750' away. I installed a separate meter and 100 amp panel for my detached garage. I dont want to add another meter and panel out at the street for my gates.
 
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Your future remote gates / driveway lights - Are your gates about 750' from the garage? I want to install lights / remote gates but I dont know how much voltage drop would occur from my detached garage to the gates about 750' away. I installed a separate meter and 100 amp panel for my detached garage. I dont want to add another meter and panel out at the street for my gates.

No you sure don’t want to add another meter. Not only the initial outlay of money for installation, most power companies, at least in Ohio, will put a second meter on one property at an industrial rate with a hefty minimum each month.

The voltage drop in a run of wire depends on the length of run and the amperage draw. Scroll down the page in the following LINK and punch in the values of the type of wire (I would never use aluminum), voltage, wire size (AWG), load of circuit in Amps. Hit calculate, and read the drop in voltage. Determine what the lowest amount of Voltage that’s needed to run your gate motor and increase the wire size to reach that target.

In my case the longest run is 300 foot, 10 Amp draw, #10 wire = 10 Volt drop. I don’t see that as a problem running a gate motor intermittently. Keep in mind motors draws more amperage and will heat up more at lower voltages. Incandescent lights will just burn dimmer.
 
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The following photographs are some of my treasured toys that will be moving to my new toyshop when it’s finished. Four 4 post lifts will be put into one of the 26x38 garages. One lift will be put into the second 26x38 garage with 2 older cars in separate bays. I no longer will have to put the top down as they are 7’4” tall and my lifts clearance are only 6’2”. The third bay I plan on installing a paint booth. That is if the government do-gooder’s don’t put a halt to hobbiests from painting.
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1933 Buick 88C convertible sedan 130" wheelbase. 345 cu in 3.312 bore x 5 stroke straight eight with three speed,,, and only 124 built.

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!930 Packard 740 dual cowl Phaeton 140" wheelbase with 385 cu in 3.5 bore x 5 stroke straight eight with flour on the floor standard. This car could do 100 mph out of the showroom. Talk about rare, they built less than 10 of them.
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Beautiful! absolutely beautiful!

Did you do the restorations?

Do these get driven?

I'm stunned!
 
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1914 Cadillac model 30 touring 130" wheelbase, last of the four cylinders 365 cu in 4.50 bore x 5.75 stroke three speed plus two speed rear end. two sets of ring and pinion gears ratio 3.66:1 and 2.50:1. the motor does 1700 RPM and with its' 37" tires she goes 65 MPH. I own two of them, one's red the other green.

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!932 Buick model 58 Victoria Coupe, 230 cu in straight eight

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Most of my cars that I purchased were not basket cases. And I do all the upgrading and upkeep myself. Indeed I do drive all my cars. The best view of any antique car is from behind the wheel! Presently the green 1914 Cadillac is my main and favorite touring car and put as much as 3,000 miles a year.

What do you guys think of this car (another 1914 Cadillac)? I found it buried in the woods of the Carolinas since the mid 50’s. I spent a full day clearing a path to it, cutting down a huge tree that grew between the gas tank & read axle, lifting it off the stump with a backhoe, and dragging it back to my trailer.

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It's going to take a lot of work to bring her back to life.
 

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Holy spilling drool buckets batman!

Couple of those pics look like they might have been taken up at the Gilmour museum have you loaned them any of your cars? I may have drooled over them in person! LOL

Really Really great collection you have there!

Wile
 

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Oldcarguy,

That is a great find!

Yes it will be a lot of work to bring it back but as you know, they don't make 'em any more so it's worth the effort.

I personally enjoy the challenge of finding the diamond in the rough.

Good luck and keep us updated as you make progress.

Thanks for sharing!
Tom

PS. I have a 33 American Austin that I found in similar condition down in Virginia.
 
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More OldCarGuy’s toys

I have "The Gene!",,,. The Defective Gene. The one that causes an otherwise-rational
person to engage in the everlasting search for more and bigger toys. ... “He who dies with the most toys,,, Wins!”

My obsession for old cars sets the need to repair and reproduce parts; after all you cannot expect to get a widget for a 1914 something or other from the dealer. And is complemented by one of my other passions of machinery and tools. Some may feel that my treasure chest may be considered slightly extensive; but there’s nothing like being self-sufficient. After the first of the year, once I finish constructing the bridge crane and adding the 3-phase power to my 30x50 addition, I will begin the monumental task of moving this equipment from my current home. Along with all my lifts, cars, and extra parts.

Homemade bridge crane with electric chain fall setup in the 24x24’ machine shop section of my current garage.
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Bridgeport EZ-Trak CNC milling machine
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Kearney & Trecker 2D rotary head milling machine. A rare mill and not many shops could afford such a machine in their day. And since have become obsolete because of CNC equipment.
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Ex-Cell-O 20 Amp plunge EDM machine
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Clausing Colchester 15”x 52” gear head lathe
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Impoted 14x36 gear head lathe
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That's about all I can say.

I know what my garage/shop wants to be when it grows up.

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