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olsenmotorsports
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Can’t stand em. I’ve got 90g’s invested into lista stuff. Another 75 into moduline. They are ok, and serve a purpose, but nothing replaces a snap on epiq.
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Can’t stand em. I’ve got 90g’s invested into lista stuff. Another 75 into moduline. They are ok, and serve a purpose, but nothing replaces a snap on epiq.
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olsenmotorsports
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Agree.
I move and add drawers all the time as well. I actually just move my top drawer that had all my sockets in it down three slots. Game changer being able to identify stuff quicker!
Scuderia-F1
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Awesome, it’s well worth the time and effort to tweak and tune the layout. Efficiency is KEY.
danski0224
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Curious as to your reasons.
I'll probably never buy an Epiq, and my Lista was a demo of sorts... so not buying new there, either.
Only the Icon is in my "range".
I thought Lista was owned by Stanley Black&Decker?
Scuderia-F1
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Lista North America is owned by Stanley Black & Decker, Lista AG (the OG Lista so to speak) is a different company, they’re owned by Great Star Industrial.
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danski0224
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Does that mean the housing and drawers are or can be all ordered separately?
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olsenmotorsports
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Well simply put I am a princess prima donna snob lol…. At the price point lista or Rousseau is great. But I like big 30” deep drawers that can handle WEIGHT. The epiqs are pretty darn sweet for that. Tons and tons of storage. The boxes lista makes are “ok” but when it comes to lockers and overheads they just feel chins, but I am being overly picky (kind of my thing).
I will try and remember to take a picture of the lista’s/moduline we have, but it is all kind of laid out in the video on page one in this thread.
Lista is great for the parts department and that is where we have them.
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olsenmotorsports
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Built to suit - Go check out the Snap-on Business solutions website. I had a rep come out as I was going to do it, but it is all master series and they would not do epic series. Ridiculous
danski0224
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Mine is 30" deep and can handle 400# per drawer. I don't have their lockers and overheads, no room... in the room or wallet.
I bet I would have to nearly fill the drawer with lead to get to 400 pounds. Maybe steel...
I was watching an "outlet" website that no longer exists and got a screaming deal on mine. Never saw another one.
I know Lista makes shallower units.
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olsenmotorsports
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Motörhead extroadanaire?
danski0224
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Yeah.
They don't do the "junk yard specials" anymore.
They don't do the "junk yard specials" anymore.
senlow
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Joe and Isabelle retired last year. I enjoyed doing business with them.
Tim in your shorts sealing the engine cases is that orange sealant the Wurth anaerobic sealant? I haven't seen that stuff in years and your video jogged my memory. Still have a tube of the Wurth DP300 that gets used for some of my Audi stuff that rolls in.
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olsenmotorsports
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I bought some of their scratch and dent stuff probably 10 years ago. Really helped me out when I was first starting. Wondered what happened to them! (Retired and good for them!)
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olsenmotorsports
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Yeah bud! Wurth DOS flange sealant. Pretty awesome (but outrageously expensive) stuff.
Orange on the solid stuff and green on the gaskets.
Thank you for following our media channels! Grateful for that. Lots of cool stuff coming.
I bet between production impacts and lack of cash flow plus the secondary market going ape **** in 20/22 they decided to be done. But that’s a guess. I’m just bummed because it was damn nice grabbing SnD’s for half price that only required minimal repair work.
danski0224
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Their Scratch and Dent stuff ended long before they retired. Motorhead Extraordinaire continued for a while, just no "discounts".
I'd guess at least 5 years ago. Probably closer to 10 IIRC.
I'd guess at least 5 years ago. Probably closer to 10 IIRC.
5 sounds about right I suppose. It was still going strong when I did this project in 15/16: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/building-my-ultimate-lista-work-bench.311519/
Scuderia-F1
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Given the options if i set up a new shop, I’ll go Build A Bay for the stationary storage and keep with Epiq for anything on wheels. It’s a paint match and in my opinion way better than any other option.
Scuderia-F1
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Correct.
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olsenmotorsports
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So when are you moving????
Scuderia-F1
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I’m too broke to build a shop, but I’m constantly on the lookout.So when are you moving????
danski0224
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Depressed but optimistic?
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olsenmotorsports
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Welcome to my world. I am constantly saying to myself “look at that building if I could do it all over again”… Then I run the numbers, put my tail between my legs and go to work
Scuderia-F1
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At least we’re trying ….Welcome to my world. I am constantly saying to myself “look at that building if I could do it all over again”… Then I run the numbers, put my tail between my legs and go to work
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olsenmotorsports
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At least we’re trying ….
I need to stop trying and start doing!
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Fred W B
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I'm very impressed by all you do, but I have to ask on this. What is going on with the shape of this wheel arch opening? Looks to be an uneven curve, particularly above the "con" on the contact tyre marking and a flat section above "rem" of extreme.
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olsenmotorsports
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Thank you!I'm very impressed by all you do, but I have to ask on this. What is going on with the shape of this wheel arch opening? Looks to be an uneven curve, particularly above the "con" on the contact tyre marking and a flat section above "rem" of extreme.
It is somewhat of an optical illusion. But I did reference this in the above post. The metal is just hanging out ATM with no bracing etc. we still need braces to tweak the corners and bring it back true.
Good eye!
Fred W B
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Thanks for your response. Somehow I skipped over your comment under the picture.
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olsenmotorsports
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No worries! Thank you for your input and following along!
This thread is great ! The way it was explained to me is ordering a toolbox off of the rock n roll truck is the only time you can change the drawer configuration without an upcharge. I have done it twice, and added several drawers. However some dealers dont want to put in the effort.
Scuderia-F1
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Wish we had the Rock N Roll trucks here. There are 2 in the UK, they also visit some countries in continental Europe as well, although not Sweden. Luckily I have a great dealer, so in the end it is always sorted in some way or another.
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All this talk about custom Epic boxes got me curious about the current details. I’m out of the loop since I retired 6 years ago. Sent a text to my Rock-N-Roll guy (who just retired last month after 25 years with Snap-On) and asked about an all 2” drawer 68” Epic. Here was what he sent me….
So it does seem that there are some restrictions on customization, which does make sense as a 2” drawer is nearly as expensive as a 8” drawer, especially when you add in the 6 more slides to the total.
So it does seem that there are some restrictions on customization, which does make sense as a 2” drawer is nearly as expensive as a 8” drawer, especially when you add in the 6 more slides to the total.
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olsenmotorsports
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This is my rub, charge me more! I don’t care what it costs! Make what I want!All this talk about custom Epic boxes got me curious about the current details. I’m out of the loop since I retired 6 years ago. Sent a text to my Rock-N-Roll guy (who just retired last month after 25 years with Snap-On) and asked about an all 2” drawer 68” Epic. Here was what he sent me….
So it does seem that there are some restrictions on customization, which does make sense as a 2” drawer is nearly as expensive as a 8” drawer, especially when you add in the 6 more slides to the total.
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olsenmotorsports
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Picking back up on the 993 Leaf green car… I am back in town in Chicago so time to get the engine assembled for this one. Both of my full time engine builders are flat the F out on other customers cars so I had to step in and get this one done. Feels good to be back at the tool chest doing things for a change.
Block is prepped. Acetone the surface is all done so it is grease free for final assembly.
Sealant laid out and ready. I take an acid brush and dab it out. Those things always lose hairs. Flat rate trick is put a dab of super glue on the base where it goes into the handle. Then crimp it down hard with a pair of pliers. That keeps the hairs tight and they wont come off on the surface. Saves a bit of time.
Sealant applied and smoothed out. Less is more here. You want it to cover but still be translucent. Just a tiny bit of squish when it is bolted together.
Time for sewing class. I am well aware that aircraft procedure is two lines of thread continuous but I only use one. Never had a leak or a failure. We can debate that till the cows come home but we have had incredible results using this methodology.
Slam it home. Key here before you get the journal bolts in is to leave it up on the shuffle pins so that the sealant doesn’t harden. That allows you time to get the bolts all fitted with the o rings while the sealant stays fresh and unhardened.
Final product. Perfect amount of sealant squish (subjective I am sure). But anything leftover on the inside is just washed away and dissolved when you start the engine. The outside is wiped off so it looks like we were never in there.
Tomorrow is deck height, long block assembly, cam thrust and cam timing!
Thanks for following along!
Block is prepped. Acetone the surface is all done so it is grease free for final assembly.
Sealant laid out and ready. I take an acid brush and dab it out. Those things always lose hairs. Flat rate trick is put a dab of super glue on the base where it goes into the handle. Then crimp it down hard with a pair of pliers. That keeps the hairs tight and they wont come off on the surface. Saves a bit of time.
Sealant applied and smoothed out. Less is more here. You want it to cover but still be translucent. Just a tiny bit of squish when it is bolted together.
Time for sewing class. I am well aware that aircraft procedure is two lines of thread continuous but I only use one. Never had a leak or a failure. We can debate that till the cows come home but we have had incredible results using this methodology.
Slam it home. Key here before you get the journal bolts in is to leave it up on the shuffle pins so that the sealant doesn’t harden. That allows you time to get the bolts all fitted with the o rings while the sealant stays fresh and unhardened.
Final product. Perfect amount of sealant squish (subjective I am sure). But anything leftover on the inside is just washed away and dissolved when you start the engine. The outside is wiped off so it looks like we were never in there.
Tomorrow is deck height, long block assembly, cam thrust and cam timing!
Thanks for following along!
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Scuderia-F1
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Exactly, just price it out and make use for that "Custom Built For" badge. It's not like they sell the drawers at cost, so it's not about margin/cost. This is all down to bureaucracy and not wanting to. They do it for Penske all the time (check out the pics of his WEC Porsche 963 headquarters in Mannheim Germany, pure Snap-on heaven), so it has nothing to do with it not being possible.
Just say the price....
So just to clarify, the single bank 68" epiq comes stock with 5" drawer on top, then a 3" and then 2", not a 4" in third place. Looking at mine i dont believe the sides are stamped to allow drawer slides in the correct position, to swap out the 5 and 3 drawers, however after that you can definitely run 2" drawers all the way to the bottom.