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Open letter to multimeter manufacturers:

Hopefully there are employees that work for the multimeter companies that read these forums that are in a position to influence some change. I penned this letter after searching just about every brand of clamp meter and cannot find a single one that meets my needs. Sorry for the long post in advance, but the devil is in the details.

It’s time for tools like multimeters and clamp meters to get better. Most of the technology sold in 2024 is decades old and newer features are not being incorporated into new tools. They are falling behind. Features like dual measurement for current and voltage simultaneously, inrush, min/max/average, and voltage sense on clamp meters should be standard. Bluetooth with an app for mobile devices and laptops for remote measurement and logging should be standard, and the Bluetooth range should be as good or better than other Bluetooth devices so it can be used in place of long test leads for boats, trailers, campers etc where 30’ jumpers are common. I tried a Bluetooth capable meter from a major manufacturer and it’s atrocious. My phone and tiny Bluetooth earbuds can go literally 2-3x the distance than a $800+ meter. If you got more than a few feet away it was unusable, yet a simple speaker can go across the shop. Backlights are getting better, but still not good. They need to be able to be toggled on/off and not timeout after 15-30 seconds and be bright with a crisp screen viewable at off-angles. If this is a battery issue let’s move to a flat lithium ion that can be recharged via USB-C and replaceable so spares can be kept, just like on a modern headlamp. That would give more than enough power for a good Bluetooth radio, backlight, and be good for resistance measurements. It feels like some accuracy was lost, especially on resistance, when 9v was supplanted by two AA/AAA batteries that are prone to leakage.

There are market segments that are under served. Industrial high V and high A is covered, and residential 120-240 V and 200-400A is covered. But Marine and RV where there is both 12vdc and 120vac and anywhere from .5a- 200a is under served. If the amperage range was low enough so it would be useful on 12v circuits with less than 5 amps, but high enough where inrush for a 120v motor could be measured accurately with a single meter that would be incredible. If a meter is just a few amps off, that’s significant, and I believe that meters are zeroed or designed to read best at a particular sweet spot. For the industry I use my tools in that sweet spot for most meters is not useful to me. I’ve seen where specs for a compressor are given to where just a few amps makes the difference between a good and bad component. Two meters would have called an aging but not failed component out of spec and one read spot on and confirmed the issue was elsewhere. The meters had similar ranges, and the one that read right wasn’t the expensive meter. A clamp meter for 600-1000a is going to be zeroed for a certain amperage and don’t have the accuracy for lower-current applications on a 12vdc or 120vac circuit. We need options for meters zeroed for a usable range. There are meters I would put some trust in, Fluke 325 for example, but it’s ancient and has limited features for the high cost that it is. It also has an unfavorable resistance range for testing things like tank level sensors, which on an RV can be 188k ohms…yes those higher resistance ranges are needed, and not just marketing fluff found on cheap meters. Not buying one at that doesn’t meet my needs at inflated prices that hasn’t been updated in decades!

Finally, these changes shouldn’t make a meter cost $800+. Big names this should be a $350-400 meter and lesser brands should be no more than $150. This is tech that is going into dirt-cheap electronics and isn’t expensive. I’m not taking an $800 meter into an adverse environment, which eliminates just about everywhere this would be used. It would be in a tool bag, outside, in the weather. We’re just working men and women that need accurate and reliable tools that are keeping up with the times without being gouged with things so expensive they aren’t usable. I’m also not spending that much for a meter that doesn’t do what I need to do. These are all reasonable functions to ask for I think. I’m not looking for a unicorn, I’m looking for modernization of the field. I shouldn’t have to carry 3 meters with a combined cost of over $1,000 to do a job that one should be able to do today if there was one designed for the trade it’s being used in. I’m hoping we get out of the 90’s with meter tech!



Please post your multimeter and clamp meter requirements. I’m hoping it will be valuable to know how they are being used and where they are falling short and what features would be useful to you.
 
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It sounds like you want an oscilloscope. For current a waveform shape is more valuable than lone numbers. Graphed voltage can confirm current flow in 12v DC applications.

Can't tell you for AC, I do very little with that and just use a very basic meter for go/nogo.
 

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It also sounds like you are not an EE. Trying to shield everything, and make it accurate across a very large scale, while measuring multiple things, in something the size of your pocket? For cheap?

You even said yourself that these are designed to zero out at a specific range. You would be talking about multiple circuits, each with its own zeroing, that wouldn't affect what is around it. And then have it be repeatable and calibrate-able? That is just to handle the multiple ranges for one setup, and you want to handle both voltage, current, and other stuff with multiples at the same time?
 
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no oscilloscope is the wrong format. I specifically need a clamp meter with modern functions. I have an oscilloscope. most of them are quite large and don't fit in a technicians tool bag. I'm sure not climbing on top of an RV with one. They also need other components to do current measurements. unless it's a benchtop unit they don't do resistance or capacitance measurements.

so far I'm hearing we can't do this. Why? there's already cheap meters that do dual measurements. look at UEI. look at the tech around us that people said couldn't be done. Elon was laughed out of NASA when he said he wanted to land boosters and here we are. The Fluke FC378 comes really close and has a lot of these functions, yet is so far away with range and implementation. I can't get the fat jaws in a smaller enclosure, doesn't have the resistance range, and the Bluetooth doesn't work well. The bottom line is all meters need more advanced features. they also need to be multiple models that cover different trades. my trade doesn't need 1000a capacity, but there are those that do. so make a meter with a lower range. I didn't realize that was a controversial statement. Adding more to the resistance range, why would that be a big deal? A cheap uni-t meter can do that and is regularly beating more expensive meters in terms of accuracy. There are already Bluetooth meters on the market. they are few and far between and just don't work well.

something like the fluke 325 is ~350. if that were refreshed with modern features at the same price point that would be ideal. The 325 was made decades ago. are we saying that in 2024 we really can do no better? I think this is nasa laughing elon out of the room kind of talk.

And while you're right I'm not an EE, I did help an oscilloscope company make software changes to target their product to a specific industry so I do have some understanding of what's involved.
 
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Elon was laughed out of NASA when he said he wanted to land boosters and here we are...

Elon wasn't asking someone else to do it for him. A minor detail, "... but the devil is in the details."

So get busy and design one. Like you said, it's an underserved marked. You'll do well. :thumbup:
 
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unfortunately I don't have Elon's resources. My point remains that just because it hasn't been done doesn't make it impossible. I'm having a really hard time understanding why this is controversial? We expect our phones to be replaced every two years with fabulous new things, but we can't have a meter with some upgrades?
 

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At some point, it also comes back to ROI. How many people need what you are asking for, and are willing to pay up for it?

Just because one thing over here does something and another thing over there does a different thing, doesn't mean you can put them together without interference. You are wanting specific things for you, and leaving out others because they don't apply to you. However, that means another factory line making A vs B, another SKU to track, another spot on the shelf to add, etc.

This isn't NASA laughing Elon out of the room, this is more of a mechanic telling SnapOn to update their foundry operations because he wants a different metallurgy outcome for the socket he wants them to make specifically for him, while not realizing he can't have it both super thin (as chrome) and giga-impact rated at the same time, while also handling 90deg swivels.
 
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Fair point, but that exactly what I'm hoping to have people post is what they would like to see so that maybe it will be seen and evaluated. My desires aren't just my own, they are actually derived from interactions with other technicians and where our current tools fall short within an industry. I do see Fluke making some focused tools for HVAC and Solar...I just want to jump on the bandwagon. Even snap on welcomes people submitting ideas and new things do come out of that. I've actually tried that in this space, but I get the sense that the elephants in the room service large gov't contracts and they have manuals written with procedures for specific tools. The smaller players aren't moving fast because the bigger ones aren't, not because of a technical issue actually making something new.
 

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unfortunately I don't have Elon's resources. My point remains that just because it hasn't been done doesn't make it impossible. I'm having a really hard time understanding why this is controversial? We expect our phones to be replaced every two years with fabulous new things, but we can't have a meter with some upgrades?
Because the upgrades you are asking for are not easily overcome. Anything electrical affects other electric stuff around it to a degree. You want multiple measurements simultaneously, from multiple circuits to optimize range and zeroing, while also broadcasting a Bluetooth frequency fairly powerfully (hint, this is EM too), while being small enough to fit in your pocket, and have each circuit shielded sufficiently.

Comparatively, your phone upgrade calculates 1-0 faster, and can have a better resolution on screen/camera, but isn't interacting with other circuits. Do you see how that is saying cars keep getting faster, but it still takes me the same time to fill up as it did 30 yrs ago?
 

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Fair point, but that exactly what I'm hoping to have people post is what they would like to see so that maybe it will be seen and evaluated. My desires aren't just my own, they are actually derived from interactions with other technicians and where our current tools fall short. Even snap on welcomes people submitting ideas. I've actually tried that, but I get the sense that the elephants in the room service large gov't contracts and they have manuals written with procedures for specific tools. The smaller players aren't moving fast because the bigger ones aren't.
My point is more the reality of the asking g. You read SnapOn and mechanic, and skipped the feasibility of the scenario right after.
 
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I understand that EM affects the components around it, but Bluetooth works in the 2.4Ghz frequency range, same as older WiFi. unless we're saying that it's impossible to shield 60hz ac or a DC sensor from minuscule induced voltages from a 2.4 GHz Bluetooth radio than I guess I should stop using my Bluetooth phone, earbuds, speakers, and stop using WiFi around my meters right? There's high RF and EM all around us. I notice no deviation in accuracy of my tools in a EM rich environment vs out in the country. I think the current crop of Bluetooth meters ***** because of the power source and the tiny radio it can power. two aaa's probably aren't going to cut it. new power source would give the engineers more power and current to work with for better radios. Lets not forget there are Bluetooth meters today. It's a thing, or at least trying to be. I'm not saying it's super easy. I'm saying we should have the tech to make it work.
 

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Not saying it is impossible, but generating the frequency vs being present where it exists is two different things. Power probably also has something to do with it. What accuracy are you trying to achieve with your tools that an EM rich environment doesn't make a difference? 3.5digit meters are vastly different beast than say a 6.5digit.

Again, not saying it is impossible, but rather nobody in the industry sees an untapped market big enough to justify the expense in creating it. Just because you want it to happen, doesn't mean it is financially viable.
 
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uh oh, there's another thread right here on GJ where some new products with innovative features are being offered...even bluetooth! It's not in the clamp meter space, but look at the sperry ad. BT, TINY, and in an appropriate price range! egads man...if they apply that to a clamp meter they'd have most of the functions I was talking about. With all that room they saved I'm sure there's room for some more stuff if they kept a normal form factor ;)

 
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I know that's not Fluke quality, but I'm sure if they go 3x the cost they can offer the same thing. Seeing the untapped market...how are they going to know if no one speaks up? I'm speaking up on one of the biggest tool forums there is. I was just hoping more people would say yes I'd like that too instead of saying it's not possible.
 
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I'm using it as rebuttable that adjusting some features for a specific market isn't the moonshot it's being made out to be. If the MFR's don't see value in it, that's fine. My industry may be too small, but I'd bet if something came out like what I'm asking for more than my industry would want it. I really hoped for a friendly discussion where people would say the features they'd like to see so that if a consumer-friendly company listens to feedback that it might be useful to them and we'd all benefit from it. It's a forum...forums are meant for talking are they not?
 

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I'm having a really hard time understanding why this is controversial? We expect our phones to be replaced every two years with fabulous new things, but we can't have a meter with some upgrades?
I might be completely wrong but from a businessman's standpoint I would bet that if there really and truthfully is a market for a meter like that, it would have already been in production :) I would hazard a guess that somebody like Fluke would need to commit to ten thousand (maybe more) units before they would even think about it. Sometimes our idea of a "large market" for an item is nowhere near what it really needs to be for financial viability.
 

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As someone with management experience in a business I actually prefer the target market objection more than the it can't be done objection. I'm from an engineering background and I've said my share of that's impossible, but it's really not, it's just I was opposed to innovation especially when it's hard. I think there are some upgrades that will come to most new meters with time. I'm already seeing them, just not in the biggest names that I trust and prefer to buy from. I also think there are some trade-specific features like the accuracy in lower ranges vs the trying to measure the current of the sun (sarcasm) that I see on a lot of newer meters that I'm hopeful my colleges in the industry will start wanting. I admit that most automotive, RV, marine, trailer techs that work with both low voltage as well as lower mains voltages do good to just use a basic meter and not truly appreciate one refined for them. But they have a habit of buying what's popular, so if that was the meter of choice they'd buy it and they'd make better calls on defective components as a result. But I do see more interest in being a really good diagnostician and that requires good tools made for purpose, just like the industrial guys need ones tuned for them. I guess I'm saying a lot of people don't realize they need it until they see it and realize what they have been missing, which is a nightmare for companies trying to figure out what people will buy. Totally get that.
 

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In fields like the railway industry, specialized multimeters are used to reduce the amount of equipment carried around. The primary issue is cost. While the railroad industry can afford to spend $1500 on such equipment, an average person typically cannot.

You'd have to have a lot of demand to make something economical versus the existing offerings.
 
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mooshimeter, that looks like a neat bit of kit! Thanks for that. I have a 2ch usb o-scope that is hardwired that I can use with a tablet, but it's not wireless like that is. that would actually solve my need to be able to do remote measurements without a 30' jumper. Interesting that the lowest ohms is 20 and not 0, but maybe the description is wrong, but it's cool that a 2ch wireless scope can do resistance measurements at all. If the software can do conversions for amp clamps like 10mV = 1A I could at least use my low-amp and high amp clamps and I could use a regular meter for capacitance. Might get one of those just to play around. I love graphing meters and this would be a good way to see waveforms and not just readings. I caught an igniter spark making it seem like there was voltage on a thermostat line that was really dead once using my other scope so they definitely have their place.
 
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In fields like the railway industry, specialized multimeters are used to reduce the amount of equipment carried around. The primary issue is cost. While the railroad industry can afford to spend $1500 on such equipment, an average person typically cannot.

You'd have to have a lot of demand to make something economical versus the existing offerings.

I did try to buy that $800+ meter and I was just going to bite the bullet and carry it around if it worked. But it was zeroed for a non-useful range and there were some other issues with it. If Fluke had one that was tuned for what I needed I'd buy it. Then uni-t would make one for a 3rd of the cost in a few years I'd buy too for places I didn't want to take my nicer one lol
 

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I did try to buy that $800+ meter and I was just going to bite the bullet and carry it around if it worked. But it was zeroed for a non-useful range and there were some other issues with it. If Fluke had one that was tuned for what I needed I'd buy it. Then uni-t would make one for a 3rd of the cost in a few years I'd buy too for places I didn't want to take my nicer one lol

I agree with you the meter industry is horrible.

My most frustrating multimeter is the Fluke 289. It's so ******** slow.
 

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Elon was laughed out of NASA when he said he wanted to land boosters and here we are...
no one at NASA laughed, the idea was actually conceived by NASA years prior to SpaceX actually doing it ... the reason NASA never tried it large scale was due to it being a cost issue.
 

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I've currently got eight different multimeters (including 3 scopes on the go), I use different meters for different tasks that play to the strength/range of each tool, or I use a combination of multiple meters on one job to look at different readings.

I'm not sure I would like everything combined into one tool, firstly if it fails or gets stolen I can't work.

Secondly I hate "toggling" between functions once I'm set up on a test.

We have been using a Bluetooth battery tester (with built in voltmeter/amp clamp for a few years now) it connects to a Panasonic Toughbook and although it can be very handy (checking parasitic drains/cranking volts & current remotely), it can also be a bit of a PITA sometimes when the link drops out).

Maybe Curien make something suitable?
 
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Bluetooth with an app for mobile devices and laptops for remote measurement and logging should be standard
I personally dont want Bluetooth anything in my tools. If I were a professional electrician and willing to buy a new meter every few years, then I would probably want Bluetooth.

But once you put Bluetooth in tools, you're at the mercy of how long they're going to maintain the app, how long the app will be compatible with current phones, how long the app will be compatible with old phones.

You could run into an issue in 10 or 15 years where the app only works on a version of iOS/Android that is 8 years old, it won't run on modern phones anymore, and then you are trying to buy some 8 year old iPhone on eBay to pair with your meter, but then the App Store won't let you download the old app anymore.

Not a problem if you're a pro and going to get a new one every 5 years, but any multimeter I buy today, I'd expect to be able to use for the next 40 years. I'm not a pro, I'd rather the meter have fewer features and be a little slower but will work forever, and not be reliant on app technology.

I'm in a spiral of death right now with some IoT technology that should still be totally functional except the firmware isn't compatible with the latest app, and I can't install the old app anymore, and now it's all bricked. And then I get an old iPad to try, but the App Store won't let me download the old app anymore onto a new (old) device.
 

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mooshimeter, that looks like a neat bit of kit! Thanks for that. I have a 2ch usb o-scope that is hardwired that I can use with a tablet, but it's not wireless like that is. that would actually solve my need to be able to do remote measurements without a 30' jumper. Interesting that the lowest ohms is 20 and not 0, but maybe the description is wrong, but it's cool that a 2ch wireless scope can do resistance measurements at all. If the software can do conversions for amp clamps like 10mV = 1A I could at least use my low-amp and high amp clamps and I could use a regular meter for capacitance. Might get one of those just to play around. I love graphing meters and this would be a good way to see waveforms and not just readings. I caught an igniter spark making it seem like there was voltage on a thermostat line that was really dead once using my other scope so they definitely have their place.

fair warning, it is a ~2010 design that has only been minorly updated since then. it was a small team and i think a kickstarter or similar. it does not use the latest bluetooth stuff, but then again, maybe pre-LE is more appropriate anyways for that kind of data stream. i know little about bt.

if you look in their forum, it's like a ghost town. i get the impression that support may be poor, and unbelievably, they don't even have working links to their manual or spec sheet.

here they are though (hosted by a 3rd party lol):
https://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Tools/MooshimeterManualRev1.pdf
https://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Tools/MooshimeterCheatSheet-V0.pdf

if you look in there, it's a 3ch device, and any 2 of them can sample simultaneously. i don't think i ever took resistance measurements with it lol, but the specs are there for you:

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you can use a current clamp. also, this section may be of interest to you: "MEASURING SMALL RESISTANCES / CALIBRATING A CURRENT SHUNT"

i have one but have not used it in years since i have not had to take remote measurements in a while. but i did enjoy using it, and imo it is a good design.

since it's on amazon, i guess you could always test it out, and if it it really does not meet your needs, then you could return it.
 
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At $800-1000 obsolete apps would be an issue. The MFR would need to be reputable and committed to app updates. That's why I want someone like Fluke to do it. They usually keep things around for a while. At $150-300 meter if I had to replace it every 7-10 years it's not as big a deal. The meter would still work without Bluetooth. I'm not at all advocating for that to be the sole interface, just an added capability for remote measurement.

It used to be cool to have two cell phones, but then the world changed to where one can do it all...lets not forget the why would I want internet on my phone talk back then! you just don't need that right?!?!? If I'm doing a current measurement and also want to do a voltage drop test where waveform isn't needed my multimeter should absolutely be able to do that. If I'm at the point I'm taking multiple simultaneous measurements right now I'm breaking out the multi-channel scope because I can't look at multiple screens at once and see glitches, so I want all my data on one screen and have a short history for glitch capture. That's where a meter like the FC378 would shine. Current measurement and voltage, with the app for graphing...albeit it's only the voltage sensing so if you need accuracy you're out of luck. Dual display capability where amperage and whatever the probes are set on displayed at once without breaking out a scope, amp-clamp and the probe kit would be handy wouldn't it? Shouldn't need to carry around two meters for that. UEI is going that direction and has dual display meters. Just don't know I trust the accuracy.
 

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that's my everyday meter, but i agree that it is ******* slow. i hate waiting for it to boot lol

i think you may prefer
  • 87V
  • 28II (aka 87VMAX) – very similar to 87V but a bit bulkier / more ruggedized
  • 189 – clunkier UI than 87V/28II, but it has a dual display for some stuff
i just found a like-new 189 in a parts bin. i have no memory of acquiring it (wtf, right?), but i'm probably going to switch to that.
 

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The meter would still work without Bluetooth.

it can log to sdcard, but you probably can't really use the mooshimeter at all without the bt app. you probably have to use the app to even set up the logging. and the app still works afaik.
 

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that's my everyday meter, but i agree that it is ******* slow. i hate waiting for it to boot lol

i think you may prefer
  • 87V
  • 28II (aka 87VMAX) – very similar to 87V but a bit bulkier / more ruggedized
  • 189 – clunkier UI than 87V/28II, but it has a dual display for some stuff
i just found a like-new 189 in a parts bin. i have no memory of acquiring it (wtf, right?), but i'm probably going to switch to that.

Yeah I still prefer my 87V when I don't need the 289. The 189 is god tier for me. Shame they had to get rid of it.

Other thing that frustrates me about the 289 series is that they have an internal battery soldered to the PCB. Early models had a supercapacitor that would leak all over and trash the PCB. Not sold on a soldered battery just to keep the RTC alive.

I'm a Hioki man anyways :D.
 
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the mooshimeter yes, I was referring to a comment about bluetooth above yours. Yea if the Mooshmeter stops be supported that would be a brick. I was meaning adding bluetooth to regular meters with a display and that being a detriment rather than a feature.

I actually have an 87v, and I love it. But in my industry most techs have a clamp meter that rides in their bag. and it's a long trip to the truck to get other meters. If I run into a higher resistance situation or one where I question the accuracy of my 20 year old clamp meter for voltage checks I break out the 87v. For current I'm sol unless I want to get the scope and amp probes out. But the cost of that is high enough that I baby it unless I have to use it. I set out to replace my old clamp meter and I literally cannot find anything that has more functions or better specs that's not an off-brand that I would trust any more than the meter I have. I really thought I'd be able to get some features like inrush, better backlight, max/min/ave, and be able to measure over 60k ohms but what's out there just isn't good. Like a $60 uni-t looks like the most attractive specs-wise, but it's more like a direct replacement for what I have not any additional features and actually has less (uni-t ut210 d or e)
 

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the mooshimeter yes, I was referring to a comment about bluetooth above yours. Yea if the Mooshmeter stops be supported that would be a brick. I was meaning adding bluetooth to regular meters with a display and that being a detriment rather than a feature.

I actually have an 87v, and I love it. But in my industry most techs have a clamp meter that rides in their bag. and it's a long trip to the truck to get other meters. If I run into a higher resistance situation or one where I question the accuracy of my 20 year old clamp meter for voltage checks I break out the 87v. For current I'm sol unless I want to get the scope and amp probes out. But the cost of that is high enough that I baby it unless I have to use it. I set out to replace my old clamp meter and I literally cannot find anything that has more functions or better specs that's not an off-brand that I would trust any more than the meter I have. I really thought I'd be able to get some features like inrush, better backlight, max/min/ave, and be able to measure over 60k ohms but what's out there just isn't good. Like a $60 uni-t looks like the most attractive specs-wise, but it's more like a direct replacement for what I have not any additional features and actually has less (uni-t ut210 d or e)

have you ever considered taking a clamp and 3d-printing something (a bracket basically) to better integrate it with the 87V? short leads that you can unplug, and you have your normal probe leads plugged in by default? i have thought about doing that.
 

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That's quite a fantasy list for a $400 Fluke when an 87V currently costs ~$450- which IIRC is about what it cost 10 years ago. You may as well include having four of the Victoria Secret models coming over tonite while you're dreaming big :D
 
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I’ve thought about doing something similar with my usb 2-ch scope and tablet. The issue with the 87v and any other meter is you’d have to be good at doing the conversions from mV to A in your head. For whatever reason I just never favored using an amp clamp with a regular meter, but it’s totally doable and I actually have done it when the signal under test was stable and my clamp meter gave a result I did t quite trust, like with a really low amperage.
 
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Fluke would probably be a little more than $400 for their name. I tried their $800 ish one and it just wasn’t tuned well for my needs. I literally can’t find any brand that has the measurement ranges and the extra features I was looking for. If a $60 meter can get most of the way there is a lot of meat left on the bone til you get to the $400 range. Fluke has got outrageous though. You used to be able to get a 325 for 150-200 depending on time of year and that’s going for 330-350 now for literally the same meter. The specs on that are bested by meters a fraction of the cost. I’d buy the 325 because I love fluke, but they are definitely on the inflation band wagon. Just want more features at that price point and for $800 I want it to be near perfect.
 

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no oscilloscope is the wrong format. I specifically need a clamp meter with modern functions. I have an oscilloscope. most of them are quite large and don't fit in a technicians tool bag. I'm sure not climbing on top of an RV with one. They also need other components to do current measurements. unless it's a benchtop unit they don't do resistance or capacitance measurements.

so far I'm hearing we can't do this. Why? there's already cheap meters that do dual measurements. look at UEI. look at the tech around us that people said couldn't be done. Elon was laughed out of NASA when he said he wanted to land boosters and here we are. The Fluke FC378 comes really close and has a lot of these functions, yet is so far away with range and implementation. I can't get the fat jaws in a smaller enclosure, doesn't have the resistance range, and the Bluetooth doesn't work well. The bottom line is all meters need more advanced features. they also need to be multiple models that cover different trades. my trade doesn't need 1000a capacity, but there are those that do. so make a meter with a lower range. I didn't realize that was a controversial statement. Adding more to the resistance range, why would that be a big deal? A cheap uni-t meter can do that and is regularly beating more expensive meters in terms of accuracy. There are already Bluetooth meters on the market. they are few and far between and just don't work well.

something like the fluke 325 is ~350. if that were refreshed with modern features at the same price point that would be ideal. The 325 was made decades ago. are we saying that in 2024 we really can do no better? I think this is nasa laughing elon out of the room kind of talk.

And while you're right I'm not an EE, I did help an oscilloscope company make software changes to target their product to a specific industry so I do have some understanding of what's involved.

IDK about 120v AC, but a 4 channel picoscope mounted to the back of a tablet is VERY mobile. For automotive DC, and what you want, you want a snap on tool with a scope. Digital and graphed ohms, volts, amps, pressure - plus all of these in scope view.

A 2 channel model can be found used for <$1000, since the automotive software is worth little in your application. An automotive picoscope doesn't have a way to pass current, or send current out, so no resistance. I do little with resistance personally, but if you want that Snap On has it, digital reading only, not graphed.


Says it's good for 200 volts in. Not sure if that's just spikes, or you can hook up to 120v AC wall voltage. Potentially you could attenuate?


I will have a pico 4425 strapped onto the back of a Dell 7212 rugged tablet in the coming weeks.
 
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