Above 1200 Sq/FT Out on Quaker Road

[jblnut]

Merry Christmas Mike!

Kids are really growing. Leo looks great!

Merry Christmas Andy !!

Kiddos continue to grow and amaze us every day. Lily just had her 11th birthday and is full of all kind of “older kid” wisdom suddenly lol. It’s great !!

I was quite excited to see your name pop up again. Thank you for stopping by and I truly hope life is being kind to you lately.

 

[jollygreengiant]

Merry Christmas!

That loft is going to be stout! You could probably rig up a gantry crane underneath with that heavy steel.

Re the youtube trick for not pinching your chainsaw, the first time I seen that I produced a rather loud "are you kidding me??!!" That little trick would have saved me a bunch of frustration in the past lol.

 

[jblnut]

@jollygreengiant I don’t know what it exactly going to put up there but knowing I could park the combine up there makes me feel good lol. I plan to put a workbench for chainsaw stuff and an electrical bench up there for sure. Also thinking a larger air compressor in its own little room would be nice. The loft will be 18x27’6” so I should be plenty good for a while on storage space.

I think I’m going to put those super thin LED disc light deals under the loft. I dunno how many exactly but for sure a few directly above the welding table and a ring of them around the walking area.

 

[jblnut]

 

[oldironfarmer]

Yeah it gets warm in there !! It’ll heat the 400ish gallons of water from 170-180f in 12-15min when there is no draw from the house or shop pulling down while it’s firing.

I know there is a BTU calculation that can be done to figure out how much heat it’s putting out but I don’t know how to do it lol

While it's not hard to estimate the btu content of the materials being burned, the heat going up the stack and warm air being replaced by cold air because of the flue makes it more complicated.

It might be easier to do an HVAC calculation of heat loss from your heated space and use the temperature rise per hour to determine the net heat added to the space.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Merry Christmas Andy !!

Kiddos continue to grow and amaze us every day. Lily just had her 11th birthday and is full of all kind of “older kid” wisdom suddenly lol. It’s great !!

I was quite excited to see your name pop up again. Thank you for stopping by and I truly hope life is being kind to you lately.

I've been building a house. That turned out to be time consuming. I'm trying to make some time for me...

 

[jblnut]

While it's not hard to estimate the btu content of the materials being burned, the heat going up the stack and warm air being replaced by cold air because of the flue makes it more complicated.

It might be easier to do an HVAC calculation of heat loss from your heated space and use the temperature rise per hour to determine the net heat added to the space.

I was doing some math on the amount of time it took to heat the 400gal of water in the system and came up with 33,320btus to heat it up from 170f to 180f. There is obviously heat lost out the chimney. The stove runs for around 15min to get it from 170 to 180.

I've been building a house. That turned out to be time consuming. I'm trying to make some time for me...

We built in 2021. It was one of the most stressful things I’ve done in a loooooooong time. I hear ya !!

A very smart person once told me …… you can’t make time, you have to take it from something less important and give it to something more important.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I was doing some math on the amount of time it took to heat the 400gal of water in the system and came up with 33,320btus to heat it up from 170f to 180f. There is obviously heat lost out the chimney. The stove runs for around 15min to get it from 170 to 180.


We built in 2021. It was one of the most stressful things I’ve done in a loooooooong time. I hear ya !!

A very smart person once told me …… you can’t make time, you have to take it from something less important and give it to something more important.

That's the calculation. Looks like you're recovering about 130,000 BTU/hr. That's a decent furnace. The amount lost up the stack need not be accounted for, it's the recovered heat that's important.

Unfortunately I did some of the work myself, with a little help from my friends.

 

[jblnut]

Goodness I’m way behind !!!’

First off we need to pour a sipper to get this posted.


Little Miss Arborist and I spent 30min by the wood pile looking at what makes different woods different.


Mixing feed in the fog was fun !


Welding up the legs of the shop loft !



Eh practice makes perfect. I need more practice lol


Pops and I got the brackets that will hold the floor joists to the beams fabbed up and welded on.


Took a break and loaded a brother in law up with some corn straw for his beef cows.


Grandpa and little man marking some metal to drill some holes.


Pops drilling holes in the beams that will hold the big beams until we get them secured to the walls.

 

[jblnut]

Got the red beam flipped over so I could weld the legs on. Of course I took zero pictures of that lol.


I even managed to make a decent looking weld for once !!


It took a bonkers amount of work to get the fab area this empty lol


Back beam flown in and set in place.


Red beam in and set. I had to ratchet strap the back beam to the forklift to pull it in a bit. I figured it was better to have to pull it in vs having to figure out how to push it away. It and the feet weigh right at 1600lbs. The red one and feet are close to 3700lbs.


Both beams set within and inch of they need to be. The orange beams will stay in and are there to keep it from racking too much until it gets secured to the walls.


We all celebrated a job well done by shooting some hoops !!


The pipes are sitting on a piece of 316SS on a chunk of old tire tube. Should keep it from moving and from rusting on the concrete. Gotta trim them nicely once the loft is finished so they look nicer.



Thanks for following along !!

 

[manwithtools]

Footings under those pipes?

Just jumping in here before the hordes descend...

 

[jblnut]

Footings under those pipes?

A strong 6” of concrete in the entire floor. I have pallet racking with tiny little feet that has carried 15,000lbs per upright with zero issues for a few years so I’m really not worried about it.

My forklift weighs 11k and carries 6k often in the shop on hard little tires and no issues have come from that yet.

The loft will weigh in that 7k range or less with the floor and wall and everything. 5k per foot puts 13,000lbs of capacity up there and I highly doubt I’ll have that much stuff up there. Still with be far less PSI than the forklift driving around or a pay loader sitting in one spot.

 

[manwithtools]

@jblnut I'm sorry, I should have included a smiley face in my post. I think what you have is just fine, especially given their proximity to the walls. I just know that the engineering police here were about to pounce on this post. I'd do just what you have and not lose a moments sleep. Carry on

Looks like it's built to handle whatever you want to put up there.

 

[jblnut]

@jblnut I'm sorry, I should have included a smiley face in my post. I think what you have is just fine, especially given their proximity to the walls. I just know that the engineering police here were about to pounce on this post. I'd do just what you have and not lose a moments sleep. Carry on

Whew thanks !! I thought you were the engineering police for a moment !!

Pops and I talked about how much it’d weigh quite a bit and realized we were standing next to the forklift that weighs almost as much as the loft will weigh with most of my stuff up there lol

Thanks for stopping by and sorry for jumping down your throat lol

I’d love to know more about how much can safely be put on 6” of concrete with fiber and rebar at 18” spacing. Foam under floor and a very well compacted base under that. Heck, I’d be comfortable putting this loft in a dirt floor building and filling it up with stuff. Concrete has to be better !!

 

[manwithtools]

I’d love to know more about how much can safely be put on 6” of concrete with fiber and rebar at 18” spacing. Foam under floor and a very well compacted base under that.

A lot!

 

[jblnut]

Just jumping in here before the hordes descend...

I don’t think too many of the “have to correct everyone “ types are reading this thread. They seem to stick in the electrical and HVAC sub forums.

A lot!

Like mother in law a lot of weight or a normal a lot of weight?

I kid …..

 

[jblnut]

Menards run !!


Spendy day but I got some really nice dry firewood !!


The eye in the sky caught us working !!!


Well **** we built the loft floor on the wrong floor


It’s okay !! We’ll fly it in place like the beams


These boards are attached to the horizontal perlins that hold the interior wall steel. We’ll attach the outside 2x8 floor joist to them and they’ll make the loft nice and solid. I also plan to hang some cabinets from them one day so win win !!

 

[Finallygotit]

I bet with all of that purdy pine, it smelled really good in there!

 

[jblnut]

I bet with all of that purdy pine, it smelled really good in there!

It sure did !!

I’ve also been cutting cedar cookies out of some sticks I brought home to feed the wood stove so it smelled like a forest in there lol

 

[cvairwerks]

Mike, if you laid it out right, you could put an air rifle lane up there for training and practice purposes.

 

[cvairwerks]

Miss Lilly is getting close to that age where she needs to learn about it and demystify it and learn the safety rules. NRA's Eddie the Eagle program should be taught in every school in this country to every kid in my opinion. It's one of the few ways to combat the unsafe glamorized use of the tools before it's woven into their understanding of that part of life. I'm also of the mind if you don't want your kiddos playing with those tools, they still need to know the safety rules so that they can dissapear from the area if that's what the parents choose to teach.

 

[jblnut]

Boom 2/3 of the loft floor is up !!



Tossing some plywood up there is so much easier with the lifter !!


I’m liking the view so far !


Younger Mike took this for a reason to show something and I don’t remember. Older Mike if you’re reading this again and remember smash that edit button ……

 

[cvairwerks]

Prolly that your orange location control beams landed in a cavity rather than under a joist....

 

[jblnut]

Younger Mike took this for a reason to show something and I don’t remember. Older Mike if you’re reading this again and remember smash that edit button ……

Older Mike here …… I took it to show another member via text message how I was planning on attaching the loft to the metal beams so it doesn’t “float”. That’d be via the metal tabs welded every 4’. At least that’s what two cups of coffee into the day current Mike thinks lol

Prolly that your orange location control beams landed in a cavity rather than under a joist....

Lots of measuring and planning went into that !! Pops was nervous that nothing would line up but it all worked out very well. Definitely better than building it in the air standing on ladders !! Your comment spurred the actual reason for the pic so thanks

 

[Bob Heine]

Photos are good -- Younger Bob doesn't talk to me without them.

 

[Finallygotit]

Photos are good -- Younger Bob doesn't talk to me without them.

You're lucky, at least you two talk. Younger Dan has totally written off older Dan. Pffffft.....

 

[82355]

Going to build steps from the current landing up to that loft level?

Martin

 

[jblnut]

Going to build steps from the current landing up to that loft level?

Martin

That’s the plan !!

Going to be three steps in the hole in the corner of the 2nd piece we set in.

 

[jblnut]

If you bring enough saws along you don’t need to swap chains when they get dull, just grab a different saw !!


I tried a new thing on an ash with a slight back lean. It’s called a back cut first cut. Make the back cut on the side with the lean and smack a wedge in there good and tight.


Make a poorly placed face cut …..


Smack the wedges in until it tips over !!


Should have put this as step two …. Don’t stick your fingers in the way of the hammer side of the axe !!! Squish swear swear some more look at it and think “it didn’t hurt yet, that’s not good”.


We’re almost done with the tree line !!


Cleaning up brush !!

 

[madison069]

As I was always told, " Don't put your fingers where you wouldn't put your Pecker!!!!"

Based on my past injury list, I don't listen to that wisdom too well.

Nice collection of saws you got in the bucket! I only got an old blue Homelite and a Mac 10 saw. The Mac could benefit from a tune-up and a muffler, good lord that saw is loud.

 

[jblnut]

As I was always told, " Don't put your fingers where you wouldn't put your Pecker!!!!"

Based on my past injury list, I don't listen to that wisdom too well.

Nice collection of saws you got in the bucket! I only got an old blue Homelite and a Mac 10 saw. The Mac could benefit from a tune-up and a muffler, good lord that saw is loud.

Don’t stick your pinky where you wouldn’t stick your dinky lol. Yeah. Younger Mike doesn’t listen well. He can be rather short sided at times.

Let that Mac scream !! The 041 and MS251 are bone stock. The MS250, 026 and 066 have all had mufflers gutted or replaced and the 026 and 066 have different intakes than stock. Let them breathe and they really wake up !! I have a couple scored up cylinders for the 026 and 066 on their way here so I can try my hand at porting them without risking the stuff on the saws as my learning ones and messing them up. From what I’m told both saws really come alive with a mild port job.

Thanks for stopping by !!

 

[Firstram]

What intake did you put on the026?

 

[jblnut]

What intake did you put on the026?

I put a filter from a 260 on it so not THAT different lol I had to take the strange bulky tank vent off and replaced it with a short chunk of hose and a vent for an Echo string trimmer. It also required the filter cover from a 260 to contain it all. The filters are easier to find and breathe better. I have parts ordered to see if I can get a carb and filter assembly from a 261 to fit. The filter on the 026 and 260 both have the choke built into the filter and it’s causing me some head scratching …..

 

[jblnut]

I left the saws in tue bucket overnight and they sorted themselves flippy cap and not flippy cap ….. If this rivalry continues I may need to put them on opposite ends of the bucket !!


I looked at the 041 and didn’t remember the last time I used it so I fired it up and used it this afternoon. There is something about this old saw that just brings a smile to my face when I use it. Pops purchased this beast new back in the day. She’s a bit smokey until warmed up …..


How did anyone get anything done before skid loaders !?!?!?


See the muddy wheels ? It’s Jan 5th and Pops just about got stuck in the skiddy in the MUD !!! WTF is going on lol


Last load of firewood coming from this tree line !! Feels great to be done with that. Now we gotta grub the stumps out and reshape the waterway and we’re all set !!



The whole mess we got from the line. There is another three loads of big stuff by the old house that needs to be split yet. I’d say there should be an easy 8-10 cord that came off this line. Half a winters worth of wood. Sweet.


I’ve been debating on building a firewood shed by the stove an I just can’t bring myself
To spent $12-15k on a it so I’ve been brainstorming other ideas. I think firewood racks made from pallet racking are a great idea !! I can take them to where I’m cutting and fill them up and haul them home and touch it once before it goes into the stove. I could continue to bring home big pieces and cut them up in the yard. I’d stack these near that area and fill them up as I cut it up.


Definitely have to make them stack together. I can bring them into the hay shed in the fall and take them out as needed. They’ll stay out of the snow and rain and stay nice and dry. I priced them out at our local salvage yard and they want roughly $190/ea for the parts to build an 8, wide, 4’ deep 6’ tall basket. 40 of them would be enough for two years and would be $7,600. Half of what a shed would be. Makes a guy think !!

 

[Firstram]

See the muddy wheels ? It’s Jan 5th and Pops just about got stuck in the skiddy in the MUD !!! WTF is going on lol

You won't see this discussed on the news...

Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere - NASA

The huge amount of water vapor hurled into the atmosphere, as detected by NASA’s Microwave Limb Sounder, could end up temporarily warming Earth’s surface.

www.nasa.gov

The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.

This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures.

SAGE III Sees Tonga Aerosols, Water Vapor Months After Eruption - NASA

A key part of NASA’s climate observing system, the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) III instrument on the International Space Station (ISS) observed dramatically enhanced, very concentrated layers of stratospheric aerosol particles and water vapor as high as 42-44 km in altitude...

www.nasa.gov

Stratospheric water vapor also continues to linger at high altitudes around the globe from the Tonga eruption and can remain in the atmosphere for several years.

More importantly, lingering stratospheric aerosols and water vapor can affect Earth’s climate. Not only can increased water vapor lead to the destruction of Earth’s sunscreen, stratospheric ozone, but because it is a greenhouse gas it warms the atmosphere. This offsets the cooling that occurs when stratospheric aerosol particles block sunlight by absorbing or scattering it

 

[jblnut]

You won't see this discussed on the news...

Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere - NASA

The huge amount of water vapor hurled into the atmosphere, as detected by NASA’s Microwave Limb Sounder, could end up temporarily warming Earth’s surface.

www.nasa.gov

The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.

This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures.

SAGE III Sees Tonga Aerosols, Water Vapor Months After Eruption - NASA

A key part of NASA’s climate observing system, the Stratospheric Aerosol and Gas Experiment (SAGE) III instrument on the International Space Station (ISS) observed dramatically enhanced, very concentrated layers of stratospheric aerosol particles and water vapor as high as 42-44 km in altitude...

www.nasa.gov

Stratospheric water vapor also continues to linger at high altitudes around the globe from the Tonga eruption and can remain in the atmosphere for several years.

More importantly, lingering stratospheric aerosols and water vapor can affect Earth’s climate. Not only can increased water vapor lead to the destruction of Earth’s sunscreen, stratospheric ozone, but because it is a greenhouse gas it warms the atmosphere. This offsets the cooling that occurs when stratospheric aerosol particles block sunlight by absorbing or scattering it

A January that hasn’t included -37f with 45mph winds is okay with me. Climate change is real and I’m in the camp of we have very little to do with it.

Thanks for the links !! I like reading stuff !!

 

[cvairwerks]

Might look for industrial stacking parts racks/cages instead. They're made to stack and move by forklift and can often be found for real cheap.

All sorts of stuff out there like these guys have. Here's their on sale listings:

Contaiers Inventory Specials ♻️ Green Processing Company

Induatrial container sale, our inventory special. Check out the latest plastic and metal containers that we have on the list for this week. Contact us today!

www.green-processing.com

 

[oldironfarmer]

Got the red beam flipped over so I could weld the legs on. Of course I took zero pictures of that lol.


I even managed to make a decent looking weld for once !!


It took a bonkers amount of work to get the fab area this empty lol


Back beam flown in and set in place.


Red beam in and set. I had to ratchet strap the back beam to the forklift to pull it in a bit. I figured it was better to have to pull it in vs having to figure out how to push it away. It and the feet weigh right at 1600lbs. The red one and feet are close to 3700lbs.


Both beams set within and inch of they need to be. The orange beams will stay in and are there to keep it from racking too much until it gets secured to the walls.


We all celebrated a job well done by shooting some hoops !!


The pipes are sitting on a piece of 316SS on a chunk of old tire tube. Should keep it from moving and from rusting on the concrete. Gotta trim them nicely once the loft is finished so they look nicer.



Thanks for following along !!

That stainless sure won't rust with the rubber under it...

 

[jblnut]

Might look for industrial stacking parts racks/cages instead. They're made to stack and move by forklift and can often be found for real cheap.

All sorts of stuff out there like these guys have. Here's their on sale listings:

Contaiers Inventory Specials ♻️ Green Processing Company

Induatrial container sale, our inventory special. Check out the latest plastic and metal containers that we have on the list for this week. Contact us today!

www.green-processing.com

Some of those look like they would work very well !!

Thanks for the link !

That stainless sure won't rust with the rubber under it...

I’ve been saving those stainless plates for a couple years just to put under loft feet one day and once I had them welded on Pops says “why not just a piece of rubber under a steel plate?” Well jeez I don’t know !! They sure won’t rust now lol.

 

[cvairwerks]

Some of those look like they would work very well !!

Thanks for the link !

Use that general idea and look around craigslist and industrial surplus places close to you for stuff that might be available. We had one place with hundreds of pallet sized, open cages that were stackable, that they sold for basically scrap steel prices.....