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alton1911

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I have a privileged position of being the latest owner of some fascinating tools. Some of them look like scrap... Others look like new, but they belong to me now.
I know there may not be much common ground here, but owners marks bother me very little. My favorite vintage tools are the ones inherited from my dad. They are all marked with his employee's ID number.

With the exception of a few ratchets I am not bothered by owners marks.
Apparently some of the previous owners had similar taste in tools. There is a high likelihood that a plomb 7/8 wrench and a SK DBE had more than a couple owners before I got them.

Do marks bother you?
Just curious.

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Almost all of my "users" are marked. Especially stuff that I use on job sites because in many cases there are all kinds of people wandering around.

The stuff I collect: no way. Owner marks are a deal-killer there.
 

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Owners marks add value to me in some instances.
Pristine belongs on a high shelf to be looked at.
I really really try not to be petty.
I find a dislike of markings to my dislike.
I'd rather have a tool owned by a dozen oither guys who actually used them, all marked, all making the tool more 'human'.
I'd pay a pretty big **** load for a full set of wrenches marked by enough generations of owners so as to cover them completely.
 

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I agree, I find that owners markings add value for me it gives them a bit of soul. Whenever I buy a new tool I always mark my initials even if I'm the only one that will ever use it simply because I think one day once I'm gone somebody will use it and think I wonder who this guy was and I wonder what he used to do and man I sure wish he didn't mark his initials all over these tools!!!
 

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I used to mark my tools , but not anymore. It never stopped my tools from disappearing. I never liked buying tools with owners marks , but I'm over that now too. I use them. There just tools.
 

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I’ve got a pretty complete set of old Blue Point SAE wrenches with some guy named Franks name etched into all of them. No idea who he was but it’s never affected how they work or kept me from grabbing and using them.
 

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It bothers me. It doesn't necessarily stop me from buying something, but I definitely try to remove the marks, if possible.
 

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I have a 60s vintage Snap On 1/2” breaker bar on which is engraved
“I am a flex handle and not a prybar.” followed by the owners name.

That’s kind of cool.

I get a kick out of Tubalcains auction haul videos when he holds up an engraved piece
and says, “And there’s a dead mans name”.
 

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I'm of the opinion that if the fastener the tool is applied to doesn't complain, then who am I to say anything.

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I've always preferred tools that are free of owner's marks but I will buy them if I want them. The worst thing about it is it usually violates the protective chrome finish giving corrosion and flaking of the finish a place to start. Flaking chrome can cut the skin. There's no 2 ways about it owner's marks devalue a tool.

Here are some of my previously owned snap-on tools that were engraved and you can see how this is where corrosion is given a place to start. I'd rather hand down unblemished tools to future generations than this kind of condition.

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I generally don’t like them on the tools I use, although I do have a few, some of which belonged to my grandfather. Regarding the tools I collect, I really try to avoid them, although I do have a few that are marked as well. On the really high end collectible tools, no way. Non factory, prior owner added marks usually destroy the value of the tool. VERY recently I passed on a few wrenches that had matching ugly prior owner marks on them. Had I bought them, I would have completed a set I’ve been working on. I was tempted but the marks were fairly deep, ragged looking, and poorly applied. I couldn’t get past the marks. The wrenches I already have are in really nice shape and free of any prior owner marks. So, I’m mostly opposed to prior owner marks on tools, and don’t usually buy them.

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I also prefer non marked tools. I have found that with a few minutes work, light etched in marks can be eliminated with a flap wheel if it’s a problem to you.

As an aside, I have never seen chrome plated Snap On pieces like 2oolhound posted above.
If those are genuine, please school me on that.

The only snappy pieces I have are old ones from garage sales. Even horrible looking sockets and extensions clean up nicely with a flap wheel.
 
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I also prefer non marked tools. I have found that with a few minutes work, light etched in marks can be eliminated with a flap wheel if it’s a problem to you.

As an aside, I have never seen chrome plated Snap On pieces like 2oolhound posted above.
If those are genuine, please school me on that.

Yes these are the real deal. I purchased a huge set on an on line auction that was a list without photos and no mention of owner's marks which they all had. They were from a heli base so always indoors. I took these shots at the end of my restoration so these weren't even the worst cases. A large amount of those tools had this type of damage where moisture got under the chrome and it started to flake. I had to sand the flaking chrome down to smooth metal. Some of them had minimal flaking and I've just left them as were and use them with no issues.
 

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When I was in trade school I marked all my stuff. I still have most of it, and the marks are kinda nostalgic to me. Sometimes when I see the marks, I remember my first day of school, sitting there with my shiny new tools, the world was my oyster, lol.

I have also worked in a few places that I had to mark my stuff or it would get "borrowed". Not so much stolen, but it'd be in somebody elses toolbox on the next shift, and it's hard to say it's yours without proof.

But I typically wont buy something with somebody else's marks on it. Unless I reeealy want it and the price is way too good. I'm kinda OCD like that.
 

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When I started in mechanics I bought a complete set of Bonney tools fresh out of the Air Force in 1987. The set was required to be marked as I went into a factory that produces airplanes and I had to mark my tools. So the set got marked. After I retired last year after 30 years I started on my journey of replacing broken and missing Bonney tools via Harry Epstein’s and eBay. I am not bothered by having marks on my tools and am proud of them. I don’t care if they have lost “value” as they give me the pleasant memories of the time I used those tools to earn a living.

Mark tools wrecks for me and I have a lot of them. Of course I have bought marked tools off eBay and saved a bunch over the unmarked.
 

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I marked all of my tools back 20 years ago, young and (overly) protective of my investment. Over the years, for various life choices/circumstances, I sold a bunch of really great tools with my (neatly engraved) marks on 'em. Now that I am actively buying good used tools again, I have a secret fantasy that someday I'll run across something with my "TD" etched into them. Not ****** likely, but hey, dare to dream!
 
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I use them. There just tools.
it’s never affected how they work or kept me from grabbing and using them.
I'm of the opinion that if the fastener the tool is applied to doesn't complain, then who am I to say anything.
From a strictly utilitarian point of view, this is all mainly true. While owner's marks don't usually affect the structural integrity of a tool, they can, as 2oolhound points out, be abrasive and, therefore, potentially dangerous in the hand.

However, whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, and whether you acknowledge it or not, vintage tools do have a monetary value beyond the mere utilitarian, as collectibles. One look at antique and vintage tools being bought and sold on eBay, CL, etsy, etc, as well as right here in the GJ Classifieds section, for values well in excess of the cost of a modern version of the same tool that will perform the same function demonstrates that all kinds of people are selling and buying antique and vintage tools for no other purpose than to indeed put up on a high shelf and admire. I am loudly, proudly one of them.

In the antique and vintage tools collectibles market, what ssdave said, and what four.cycle anecdotally confirmed, is true. In general, owner's marks reduce value. Pristine is preferred. And there is absolutely nothing petty about that.

Having said that, I think some of the older markings on well-maintained, handsome, antique tools, when done with care and flair - a set of three initials, well-placed, aligned, and symmetrical, stamped or engraved in a antique fancy font matching the age of the tool, with serifs and even curliecues - actually enhance the tool. But that is not the rule of thumb.

There are exceptions. Some marks can actually enhance the value, especially when they provide provenance to the tool. In the WWII militaria world, for example, martial "U.S." inscriptions (extraneous to the COO) are desirable. Or a name and rank that can be traced to an actual WWII veteran.

In certain eras and areas, owner's marks are almost unavoidable. I have lost count of the number of DOE wrenches from the 1930's with well-placed and polished notches in the edge of the shank or a series of period marks made with a stamping kit. The number of the notches or periods identified the owner. Joe's tools had three, Mick's had five, and so on. I kind of like the simplicity of those markings vs initials, as long as they don't detract. As others alluded to, though, sometimes they do detract or cross the line into...

..vandalism.
 
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I collect old DOE. I found a bunch with three dots punched in and others with four in a line.

Three dots on 30's stuff and four on 50's to 60's.

Equal to the odd old stuff in the diesel shop when I worked there.

Turns out great grandad worked on planes and ag tractors and was three dots. Then dad (whom I met) was the four dots and in the early 80's sold off a lot of tools, the same old tools I had found in markets. One of the grandsons has the toolbox grandad used yet holding a bunch of his tools. My boss was suprised they were still out there as even he had used them as a young helper so long ago. Those marks are history and mine have names attached to some.

Even a man I shook hands with.
 

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I'm usually don't like engraved tools unless there's some kind of connection to me or really cheap. My granddad when I was little gave me a socket his brother engraved. I never met my great uncle but that socket is priceless to me and one that will most likely not be used again.
 

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Most of the marked tools I have are either from my grandfather, or else the father of a good friend who was a professional mechanic. Since I don't plan on selling them (I only took what I needed) the marks add a personal touch to me. Now if it was something I found in a pawn shop or whatever I might feel differently.
 

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n8n said:
Most of the marked tools I have are either from my grandfather, or else the father of a good friend who was a professional mechanic. Since I don't plan on selling them (I only took what I needed) the marks add a personal touch to me.

^ This might be venturing into apples-to-oranges territory. Your father's tools, or your grandfather's tools, adorned with etchings or other marks, have in most cases far more intrinsic value than their utilitarian use.

My old man didn't own any tools - he paid other men to do the work for him.
The very few widgets bequeathed to me are in many cases replete with his handiwork, which makes them that much more special.

But, as Private Lugnutz notes, in the context of "collecting", owner markings significantly reduce the value of the item.
As for me, I don't even give an item a second look if it's marked, regardless of price.
But to each his own. As has been noted, etchings, grind marks, or other alterations generally don't affect the tool's capacity for dealing with the task at hand.

I'm the third owner of this piece. I carried it for a couple decades until the tiny little wire broke, and then I replaced it with my late step-father's old Silva "Ranger". (No idea who Mr. Salois was, but it apparently worked okay for him as well.)

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I have a set of Challenger combination wrenches I got for Christmas when I was about 12 or 13. That same year another present was an engraving tool, so of course I put my name on each wrench. :)

Fifty years later I'm still using them. It's funny to look at the penmanship of my preteen signature.
 

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...so of course I put my name on each wrench. :)
I've posted this before whenever this subject comes up (at least a couple times per year...), but this seems like the right time to do it again. It's a good, funny read. It's from a 1943 edition of Army Motors, which was a periodical that started during WWII. The purpose was to keep mechanics trained and appraised of new tactics, techniques and procedures, new policies, and changes, and to keep them interested, they enlisted (literally!) famous writers and cartoonists. This article is introducing the engraver to the troops for the first time.

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I have been buying used tools ever since I was introduced to the concept by this forum, unfortunately. Usually I avoid marked tools, unless it is something I need, then the only thing that really matters is price. To paraphrase a common saying: "The nut or bolt doesn't care what brand of marked or unmarked tool is turning it, it is going to be a pr!ck anyway."
And if a tool makes it into my tool box, then "I bought that a long time ago." :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
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alton1911

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I found a couple of interesting marks... I think. First is a craftsman wrench with my initials already on it. The second is a pair of wire pliers with beautifully decorated handles but I think the x shape at the top of the handle could be owner marks, they are very much alike on both sides. Just not sure if that is by design.
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I prefer unmarked tools. However, I will buy a marked one if the price is right. Worst case scenario I will just keep using it till I find a good replacement.
 

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when I stated as an apprentice 30 years ago we all had craftsman tools and it was the only way to tell our tools apart sometimes. when I started to replace them with snap on I continued the practice. if done discreet fully I don't see the issue. I have purchased many used tools over the years and if the markings were not hack jobs I was okay with it. in the end I had the tool I needed/wanted and saved around 50% of new.
 

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I never actually spent a lot of money on tools as a younger man, always preferred to save up and buy new when I could afford it. I've only ever actually needed a basic tool kit as a farmer, so this was affordable. When I went to Agricultural Collage and on machinery training courses I had to mark my tools so I painted a dab of red enamel paint on to them, so they were 'marked' as mine but not damaged. I have removed most of the paint over the years..
My Artist Blacksmith son marked all his with green paint when he went to Blacksmith College and it seems to have worked well. He did a neater job of his and dipped the end of his hammer handles at a jaunty angle.
I don't like to buy marked vintage tools, and always search for 'New Old Stock' if I can.
 
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I prefer unmarked, but will buy something that isn't too badly defaced. I have a Plomb wrench that I bought decades ago. It's stamped "FRITZ". Every time I use it I wonder who was Fritz and what happened to him.
 

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I prefer unmarked, but will buy something that isn't too badly defaced. I have a Plomb wrench that I bought decades ago. It's stamped "FRITZ". Every time I use it I wonder who was Fritz and what happened to him.

I prefer unmarked too, but usually markings won’t stop me from picking up a tool if I find it interesting. Here is an example of some Proto wrenches I bought yesterday, some of which were marked.
Plombob, are you still looking for one of these like it says in your signature line?
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I've posted this before whenever this subject comes up (at least a couple times per year...), but this seems like the right time to do it again. It's a good, funny read. It's from a 1943 edition of Army Motors, which was a periodical that started during WWII. The purpose was to keep mechanics trained and appraised of new tactics, techniques and procedures, new policies, and changes, and to keep them interested, they enlisted (literally!) famous writers and cartoonists. This article is introducing the engraver to the troops for the first time.

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I was looking at this 15” Diamond auto wrench that I picked up recently. It’s possible that the early engraving machine Lugs posted above was used on this wrench.
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I prefer unmarked too, but usually markings won’t stop me from picking up a tool if I find it interesting. Here is an example of some Proto wrenches I bought yesterday, some of which were marked.
Plombob, are you still looking for one of these like it says in your signature line?
-Don

Oooooh Proto Chevrons. Pretty uncommon pieces. Ive been trying to build a set, so far i have a 1 3/8" through 1" :bounce:
 
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