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P&C Stuff
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I don't know if you were going for a Scarface allusion here (Tony Montana, "Say hello to my little friend!"), but it works!
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Nice to have the Sticky at the top of the vintage thread to help find these threads! Thanks Lugz!
A couple of days ago, GJ user damon18 posted a link to a facebook marketplace ad which showed a P&C box contains 1 inch drive sockets, extensions, and an obvious Plomb Big Bertha ratchet.
Here's the pic from the original ad:
It was midnight when I saw the post - about 5 hours after the set was listed for 'best offer'. I immediately messaged the seller with an offer. He got back to me at about 7:30 in the morning with a counter. We netted out somewhere in the middle. I set up a time to pick it up that evening at 6:15. The seller was only about 25 minutes away from me.
I was on pins and needles all day thinking that someone else from the forum would message him a better offer than me at some point during the day! At 5:50, I was on my way to meet him!
He was a younger guy, rehabbing his first home. He was gutting it and rebuilding it from the ground up. The home was stuck in the 60's. A nice quiet neighborhood in Northern Kentucky. He explained to me that the old man that had been in the house was a plumber. I'm thinking more like a pipe fitter or something, who knows. He had passed away and the home was inherited by his son, who had let the property go. Must have been foreclosed on or something. Anyway, this young man was cleaning everything out and selling what he could to finance his project.
What he found buried under some stuff in the basement was what appears to be a wartime 1 inch drive P&C socket set with a Plomb ratchet!
There is/was a heavy coat of paint on all the tools as well as the lid of the box. I've been cleaning these things for a few days now. There's still some stubborn paint on the tools and I haven't even started on the box yet.
For your viewing enjoyment.
Teaser pic that I posted over on the Plomb thread:
The top of the box:
Contents:
All the handles from the set. Plomb ratchet has the original drive plug.
Handles are as follows:
P&C Short extension #9504
P&C Long extension #9506
P&C sliding T #9565
Plomb reversible ratchet #5849
Logos from the handles:
Inside of the ratchet looks new!
Sockets - There are 6.
1-5/8" #9552
1-11/16" #9554
1-13/16" #9558
1-7/8" #9660
2" #9564
2-1/4" #9572
The only socket that shows any real use is the 2"
Socket closeup images in the next post.
A couple of days ago, GJ user damon18 posted a link to a facebook marketplace ad which showed a P&C box contains 1 inch drive sockets, extensions, and an obvious Plomb Big Bertha ratchet.
Here's the pic from the original ad:
It was midnight when I saw the post - about 5 hours after the set was listed for 'best offer'. I immediately messaged the seller with an offer. He got back to me at about 7:30 in the morning with a counter. We netted out somewhere in the middle. I set up a time to pick it up that evening at 6:15. The seller was only about 25 minutes away from me.
I was on pins and needles all day thinking that someone else from the forum would message him a better offer than me at some point during the day! At 5:50, I was on my way to meet him!
He was a younger guy, rehabbing his first home. He was gutting it and rebuilding it from the ground up. The home was stuck in the 60's. A nice quiet neighborhood in Northern Kentucky. He explained to me that the old man that had been in the house was a plumber. I'm thinking more like a pipe fitter or something, who knows. He had passed away and the home was inherited by his son, who had let the property go. Must have been foreclosed on or something. Anyway, this young man was cleaning everything out and selling what he could to finance his project.
What he found buried under some stuff in the basement was what appears to be a wartime 1 inch drive P&C socket set with a Plomb ratchet!
There is/was a heavy coat of paint on all the tools as well as the lid of the box. I've been cleaning these things for a few days now. There's still some stubborn paint on the tools and I haven't even started on the box yet.
For your viewing enjoyment.
Teaser pic that I posted over on the Plomb thread:
The top of the box:
Contents:
All the handles from the set. Plomb ratchet has the original drive plug.
Handles are as follows:
P&C Short extension #9504
P&C Long extension #9506
P&C sliding T #9565
Plomb reversible ratchet #5849
Logos from the handles:
Inside of the ratchet looks new!
Sockets - There are 6.
1-5/8" #9552
1-11/16" #9554
1-13/16" #9558
1-7/8" #9660
2" #9564
2-1/4" #9572
The only socket that shows any real use is the 2"
Socket closeup images in the next post.
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"I had to moo-oove, really had to moo-oove,
that's why if you please, I am down here on my knees...
Bertha don'tcha come around here anymore."
that's why if you please, I am down here on my knees...
Bertha don'tcha come around here anymore."
Private Lugnutz
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I would be touting that as a late wartime set if I were you, Unaiu! As you already know, I have shown that Plomb was making pebbled ratchets as early as February 1944. As you have already pointed out on the Plomb thread, in the 1948 P&C catalog, the ratchet in the 1-inch drive set is pebbled, but the extensions, which look like these, are cross-drilled for the bar. Seems like your set might fit somewhere right in between there.
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Could the ratchet have come with the set?
Private Lugnutz
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Yes. The 48 cat shows one.
Smokeshow69
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Nice to have the Sticky at the top of the vintage thread to help find these threads! Thanks Lugz!
A couple of days ago, GJ user damon18 posted a link to a facebook marketplace ad which showed a P&C box contains 1 inch drive sockets, extensions, and an obvious Plomb Big Bertha ratchet.
Here's the pic from the original ad:
It was midnight when I saw the post - about 5 hours after the set was listed for 'best offer'. I immediately messaged the seller with an offer. He got back to me at about 7:30 in the morning with a counter. We netted out somewhere in the middle. I set up a time to pick it up that evening at 6:15. The seller was only about 25 minutes away from me.
I was on pins and needles all day thinking that someone else from the forum would message him a better offer than me at some point during the day! At 5:50, I was on my way to meet him!
He was a younger guy, rehabbing his first home. He was gutting it and rebuilding it from the ground up. The home was stuck in the 60's. A nice quiet neighborhood in Northern Kentucky. He explained to me that the old man that had been in the house was a plumber. I'm thinking more like a pipe fitter or something, who knows. He had passed away and the home was inherited by his son, who had let the property go. Must have been foreclosed on or something. Anyway, this young man was cleaning everything out and selling what he could to finance his project.
What he found buried under some stuff in the basement was what appears to be a wartime 1 inch drive P&C socket set with a Plomb ratchet!
There is/was a heavy coat of paint on all the tools as well as the lid of the box. I've been cleaning these things for a few days now. There's still some stubborn paint on the tools and I haven't even started on the box yet.
For your viewing enjoyment.
Teaser pic that I posted over on the Plomb thread:
The top of the box:
Contents:
All the handles from the set. Plomb ratchet has the original drive plug.
Handles are as follows:
P&C Short extension #9504
P&C Long extension #9506
P&C sliding T #9565
Plomb reversible ratchet #5849
Logos from the handles:
Inside of the ratchet looks new!
Sockets - There are 6.
1-5/8" #9552
1-11/16" #9554
1-13/16" #9558
1-7/8" #9660
2" #9564
2-1/4" #9572
The only socket that shows any real use is the 2"
Socket closeup images in the next post.
Let me be the first to say you **** majorly! Glad it went to a forum guy who appreciates the history behind it. Those early logo boxes are hard to find regardless of size or location!
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d42jeep
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Dude, those are some huge *** sockets!Some closeups of the sockets:
Deadhead!
-Don
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USER: I've got Plvmb 3/4 inch sockets that size, but I bet your P&C sockets might weigh quite a bit more. they really look STOUT.
again nice find and even the box is a keeper.
good luck bending the handle on the T bar straight.
I bet you were smiling the entire drive home?
cheers
again nice find and even the box is a keeper.
good luck bending the handle on the T bar straight.
I bet you were smiling the entire drive home?
cheers
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I'm thinking wartime for sure. The O.D. box and the unplated tools gives our theory a bit more weight.
Thanks Smokeshow. I'm pretty happy to have it!
Smiling the whole way home for sure! The box and contents weighs a good amount. I'm glad that both handles are still there!
So i see a 1" set surfaced in Kentucky. On the other end of the spectrum I dug up this 1/4" drive mixed set while in Atlanta this week. Nothing ground breaking, but a decent little group for $3.00. P&C stuff included the 2 ratchets visible, screwdriver, a few sockets and 3 or 4 ignition sized wrenches. The deep box was the magic kind where you can't get everything back in it that came out. There were about 6 or 7 other misc U.S sockets included not in the picture. The 2nd pic is some license plates that were nailed high on the garage wall that I just couldn't leave behind.
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Haha. I hate that! Makes me feel like some geezer at the old folks home with a puzzle meant to keep my mind occupied.
I have an old OTC box ( that I was able to close the lid when I acquired it) that I think might have been sold for an old Deere or CAT tractor that has all kinds of pullers and sockets and specialty tools and I have actually sat down with the intent of just solving the puzzle and getting them all to fit but have been unable to.
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Smokeshow69
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Looks like there is some good stuff in there! Nice find
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Thanks Smoke.
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I need to find one of those pebble ratchets in the wild! I see them on eBay but that is cheating.
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drivesitfar
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MrX: nice find!! I have the same issue with drawers and bins after I take the contents out they never seem to go all back in.
USER: again nice find on those big P&C sockets and even though this is the wrong thread I'm happy you got yourself a BIG BERTHA RATCHET. your first one or do you have another?
USER: again nice find on those big P&C sockets and even though this is the wrong thread I'm happy you got yourself a BIG BERTHA RATCHET. your first one or do you have another?
Smokeshow69
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I agree.... given the location you would think that to be the opposite
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d42jeep
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We’ll see if he answers honestly or not. If he doesn’t come clean, I’m hanging onto this stuff I found for him today.
-Don
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We’ll see if he answers honestly or not. If he doesn’t come clean, I’m hanging onto this stuff I found for him today.
Haha. Not my first, no...
I am jealous... I need some of those big berthas...Haha. Not my first, no...
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Need is a strong word... I don’t need even one 1in drive ratchet... but that doesn’t stop me from buying them!
I’m still looking for a 3/4” drive version. Don’t know how I can keep finding the big dogs, but not the 3/4” guy.
I probably have 3-4 of the one inch and 5-6 of the 3/4"....Need is a strong word... I don’t need even one 1in drive ratchet... but that doesn’t stop me from buying them! [emoji38]_hitti
I’m still looking for a 3/4” drive version. Don’t know how I can keep finding the big dogs, but not the 3/4” guy.
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Picked up these singles the other day at the swap meet! I have not yet cleaned them up but they should be just fine. Also got a rough looking non marring hammer as well! It needs a new handle but it was $1 so I did well! Anyone have a nos handle? Ignore the empire correct but not thread correct tools
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Picked up these singles the other day at the swap meet! I have not yet cleaned them up but they should be just fine. Also got a rough looking non marring hammer as well! It needs a new handle but it was $1 so I did well! Anyone have a nos handle? Ignore the empire correct but not thread correct tools
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Nice find! According to the 1939 catalog, it's a Ford valve assembly tool for post-1937 Fords.
There are two lengths of bar shown (Model 2050 & 2052). You will have to measure yours to see which one you have.
I know Mr. X has the tool shown in the vise but I don't recall if he has the spring bar. If he's not interested in it, I am. I'll send a PM.
Brian
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Here's a non-sequitur. I was browsing catalogs and came across this in the 1936 Woodbury catalog: A P&C 1/2" drive reversible flex-head ratchet. I never knew it existed. Has anyone ever seen one? Where does this fall in the timeline of early reversible (let alone flex-head) ratchet patents?
Brian
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How cool is that? I would really be excited to see if anyone has one? They were certainly pushing the industry before the plomb acquisition!
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Funny, some time ago I was looking at this same catalog trying to remember if I’d seen one of these turn up on Ebay years back or not. I seem to think I did, but if so it was a long time ago. It has to be up there as far as rarity goes.
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Rileysan, The bar measures 22" overall length. It only has tines on one end, but appears to be in original and intact condition.
Hi Brian I remember when Jerry Johnson first contacted me about his idea for a website I was discussing the Woodbury as a good source for info and mentioned that flexible head ratchet because it had caught my eye too and later he decided to mention it in the "P&C Factory John & Charlie" section for 1936.
Rileysan
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I spoke to Mr. X on the phone today and hopefully he's contacted you. I thought he'd want that!
Brian
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Have you ever seen one outside of the catalog?
Nope.
Smokeshow69
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Well if someone can find one it will be the guys on here [emoji23]
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Well I didn't expect the "ferrule" to actually still be there but I was hoping...
Intro'd the same year as the Ford V8... and speaking of 1932, apparently found not far from where Chili Catallo pulled his 32 "Little Deuce Coupe" out of the weeds in 55.
Thanks to GJ member 'outofbounds' who found it and 'Rileysan' who let me make a deal for it.
Intro'd the same year as the Ford V8... and speaking of 1932, apparently found not far from where Chili Catallo pulled his 32 "Little Deuce Coupe" out of the weeds in 55.
Thanks to GJ member 'outofbounds' who found it and 'Rileysan' who let me make a deal for it.
