P&C Stuff

[Oldtuleguy]

Saw that x looks like a bunch of off brand sockets in there.

 

[MR.X]

Saw that x looks like a bunch of off brand sockets in there.

Right. But who knows, I'm sure I'm not the only one whose found sets where the replacements were rarer than what was supposed to be included. If this had a knurled P&C 1/2" drive set from 1930 that would be a big deal. Though in this one that particular era of Hinsdale does nothing for me. The thing about this set is there's not one socket VISIBLE that is absolutely a P&C. I'm just curious, the 12 pts look beveled so.....
...BTW, the sliding T is marked. That's significant for one of these sets.

 

[3baygarage]

I was gonna let this slide but.....so there's an ebay auction ending tonight for a 29/30/31 ish ( not "early 20's") set that's up to about $93.00 as of this writing. Besides the cheesy AI assisted ( if you haven't sold on ebay lately and tested this AI feature, it's cringey) description I would think the seller might consider pulling out one of the supposed "diamond knurling" sockets out of the tray. Are ALL the tools really marked P&C as the description says?Obviously not. I see he added the "Hintsdale"[sic] note after I asked. To be fair, he started the auction really low, so maybe thought it wasn't worth much trouble but now I would think he'd want to cover the other issues. Best case it boosts the price, worst case he doesn't have some unhappy buyer. I know this seller has sold some sweet tools on the bay before so it's not like I'm pickin on some newbie.

Wow! So that’s the reason why lately the body of every listing sounds like it was written by some Ebay store hype it up man who knows nothing about what they’re selling! I mean, way worse than the usual!

 

[MR.X]

Wow! So that’s the reason why lately the body of every listing sounds like it was written by some Ebay store hype it up man who knows nothing about what they’re selling! I mean, way worse than the usual!

yeah, I experimented with it one time and I was like "Yikes" and cancelled it immediately.

 

[four.cycle]

@3baygarage -
I only recently began selling stuff on ebay and clicked that thing MR.X is talking about just above - an "AI" generated ad description that sounded more like something out of a tourist destination pamphlet than a "description" of a set of tools.
Truly ridiculous and awful, and prima facie evidence that no matter their efforts, their success with "AI" when it comes to selling and "customer service" will turn out to be almost as successful and well-received by the buying public as "self check-out". (You can ask Walmart about that.)

Ebay flatly denies they are using "AI", but if you engage their "chat assistant" it becomes clearly evident in a matter of seconds that they are lying.

 

[four.cycle]

^ they've put it on their phone line as well. they want you to engage a robot on the phone. I do my best impersonation of "drunk guy laying face down in the mud mumbling random unintelligible nonsense", which gets interesting responses.

 

[jabberwoki]

Yeah i`m about done with ebay.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

it's not just ebay

 

[four.cycle]

^ true. any time I get one of those robots on the phone I just mumble unintelligible nonsense into the phone over and over until I am finally connected to a human, who in more cases than not has a piss-poor command of the English language. "customer service" is only a relic of past memories.

 

[3baygarage]

it's not just ebay

Sorry for the derailment, this is quite timely for me. Earlier this week my wife was asked to proofread a college paper and then found out that it was “written” by AI. This is all new to me. The verbiage was way off. It’s quite sickening really, to think someone could get a degree using that technology.

P&C. P&C. Sorry.

 

[four.cycle]

just another attempt by the bean-counters to put another digit on the bottom line.
unfortunately there are enough stupid people in the world that will acquiesce and go along with it that it will be with us to stay.
I will just continue to let them know how stupid it is and refuse to engage with it. worst case scenario: I do not buy their products or services.

 

[Old Radar]

So I finally had the opportunity to check out this auction after it ended ($177.50 final) and I agree with all of Mr. X's complaints about the pictures and description--except--I'm not sure it was written via AI. To be sure, I know very little about AI, but I can't believe any self respecting Artificial Intelligence would condone using the words "rachet" and "universa" to say nothing about the innumerable spacing errors.

However, upon closer inspection, the spelling and spacing errors are all in the second paragraph while the first paragraph is flowery and verbose, but technically correct. Maybe the seller decided to showcase his forth grade writing skills by adding some hard facts to the AI's fluff--much to the latter's chagrin, I'm sure.

 

[bmwrd0]

So, the seller outs himself as OldRadar!

/just kidding.

But I also sell a lot on eBay, and never, ever use that AI tool. You can spot it a mile away, and know that the seller has zero idea what they have, and bid accordingly. Just don't ask them any questions, as they will see that as a reason to bump the price up.

 

[four.cycle]

Just don't ask them any questions, as they will see that as a reason to bump the price up

quoted for truth.

additionally, never volunteer any information to a clueless seller telling them any information about said vintage tool. said action will invariably result in listing being removed or price of item raised.

 

[z28lsc]

I found this set this past weekend.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I found this set this past weekend.

Sweet! Was it that clean when you found it?

 

[MR.X]

I found this set this past weekend.

Nice. Speaking of P&C sets, anyone have an update on that 29/30 set we were just talking about a couple weeks ago that sold on ebay.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I threw a pretty low bid on it and wound up with it. Chucked out the hinsdale stuff and am using it to stash my 30s p&c socketry.

 

[MR.X]

I threw a pretty low bid on it and wound up with it. Chucked out the hinsdale stuff and am using it to stash my 30s p&c socketry.

Sockets marked?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

p&c and the size.

 

[Outlawmws]

I found this set this past weekend.

Nice! original Cork?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I don't think that's even original paint!

 

[S-K Tool Fanatic!]

Look’s repainted to me, also doubt that the cork is original by how crudely it’s cut. But thats just my 2¢

 

[z28lsc]

Sweet! Was it that clean when you found it?

Yes. it is as I found it. The driver looks brand new.

 

[z28lsc]

Nice! original Cork?

I dont Know if it's original but it is cracked.

 

[z28lsc]

I don't think that's even original paint!

No it isn't. I even has plomb green under the red paint. Original color should be blue right?

 

[z28lsc]

Look’s repainted to me, also doubt that the cork is original by how crudely it’s cut. But thats just my 2¢

yep. but even like that it is a good find and it was at a reasonable price.

 

[930dreamer]

Ever seen one of these, spotted this on FB MP.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That's a nice one

 

[Outlawmws]

Ever seen one of these, s

Similar, if not P&C have been posted before. I've never seen on in the wild.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Ever seen one of these, spotted this on FB MP.

Oh that’s a good one! I want the Proto version but haven’t seen one around here that’s worth pursuing. Some guy up in northern Washington has a roached out one posted for $600 that is pretty destroyed. That’s the only one I’ve seen locally posted. All the rest are on the bay

 

[jabberwoki]

I have the same style but different items displayed.
What do they want for it?

 

[930dreamer]

I have the same style but different items displayed.
What do they want for it?

$150

 

[Smokeshow69]

$150

Dang, that’s a good price! Surprised someone hasn’t grabbed it already

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up this thread correct early wheel knocker in a box of mixed knockers today for $3

 

[jabberwoki]

Ok you got me...what's a knocker?

 

[d42jeep]

I found these P&C items at a tool sale today.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Not the best angle, but a P&C Tappet I got today (I believe at the same sale Don hit)

 

[Provincial]

A knocker is a piece you thread onto the threaded end of a tapered axle (like a 1928-48 Ford rear axle) and hit with a hammer to break the hub loose from the taper. They sort of work, but if it doesn't, one alternative is to put the nut back on finger tight, then back off one or two slots of the castle nut, and drive around a while. Often, this will loosen the axle from the hub taper. If not, a real (screw type) puller will be required.

 

[Beerhippie]

Just ran across this thread and figured I'd break out my P&C collection and post a pic:



Yep, that's it.

I, too grew up in the Milwaukie, OR area--south of town in unincorporated Clackamas Co. I didn't know P&C was made at the old Proto factory, but I had friends and friend's relatives who worked there. I have some stories about the factory, myself, but, not knowing anything about the statute of limitations when it comes to B&E....