P&C Stuff

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice. Those ratchets are pretty tough.

 

[d42jeep]

I found these at a garage sale this morning. The speeder is 1/4” drive.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Some fixed socket wrenches

 

[jabberwoki]

A couple of nice old catalogs on fleabay from the 30`s



https://www.ebay.com/itm/264944952921?ul_noapp=true

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Some fixed socket wrenches

Nice. I think Provincial has that same set. They always look good nestled together. I have plans to mount the Walden and Gruber sets I have.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Yes I was thinking of hanging them up

 

[tin medic]

Patches are here. Based on the stitching and backing I would guess late 40's early 50's.

 

[Username already in use]

Those patches are pretty cool!

 

[Rileysan]

I was the winner of this ca. 1936-42 P&C 1/2" drive socket set on eBay, which I am certain many of you followed.

The socket set consists of ten 1/2" drive sockets:
6214 (7/16")
6216 (1/2")
6218 (9/16")
6220 (5/8")
6221 (21/32")
6222 (11/16")
6224 (3/4")
6226 (13/16")
6228 (7/8")
6230 (15/16")

And a 6233 flex handle.

What's interesting is that this set, as found, is not listed in the 1936 Woodbury or 1939 P&C Tools catalogs. In particular, the 6233 flex handle is not shown with any of the 1/2" drive sets and the socket configuration is not listed in either catalog.

The only tools that appear to be used are the 9/16" and 3/4" sockets. The rest of the sockets, as well as the flex handle, are as nice as the day they were sold!

Brian

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice set. Fantastic condition.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I was the winner of this ca. 1936-42 P&C 1/2" drive socket set on eBay, which I am certain many of you followed.

The socket set consists of ten 1/2" drive sockets:
6214 (7/16")
6216 (1/2")
6218 (9/16")
6220 (5/8")
6221 (21/32")
6222 (11/16")
6224 (3/4")
6226 (13/16")
6228 (7/8")
6230 (15/16")

And a 6233 flex handle.

What's interesting is that this set, as found, is not listed in the 1936 Woodbury or 1939 P&C Tools catalogs. In particular, the 6233 flex handle is not shown with any of the 1/2" drive sets and the socket configuration is not listed in either catalog.

The only tools that appear to be used are the 9/16" and 3/4" sockets. The rest of the sockets, as well as the flex handle, are as nice as the day they were sold!

Brian

I can’t wait to see this one in person!


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[3baygarage]

That’s a nice looking set. Just great condition. Can you post some of the logo stampings?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Cool spinner set, Brian.

I see what you mean. The box has clearly been sized for the pieces. There's no socket missing, you couldn't fit another one if you tried, and the longer hinge handle wouldn't fit. It's something in between the A-415 and the A-475. (What's neat is there are actually more sockets in this set than the 475, which snubbed the tray off to fit an extension.) It's probably the same size box as the A-416 Special, which also had ten (10) sockets, w/ a 25/32" instead of a 15/16", and a shorter hinge handle. See page 9 in the 1939 cat in between the A-415 and A-475. No pic.

A-41X Special?

 

[bmwrd0]

I was the winner of this ca. 1936-42 P&C 1/2" drive socket set on eBay, which I am certain many of you followed.

The socket set consists of ten 1/2" drive sockets:
6214 (7/16")
6216 (1/2")
6218 (9/16")
6220 (5/8")
6221 (21/32")
6222 (11/16")
6224 (3/4")
6226 (13/16")
6228 (7/8")
6230 (15/16")

And a 6233 flex handle.

What's interesting is that this set, as found, is not listed in the 1936 Woodbury or 1939 P&C Tools catalogs. In particular, the 6233 flex handle is not shown with any of the 1/2" drive sets and the socket configuration is not listed in either catalog.

The only tools that appear to be used are the 9/16" and 3/4" sockets. The rest of the sockets, as well as the flex handle, are as nice as the day they were sold!

Brian

I was mighty tempted by this set, and I am glad it went to a good home.

Congrats Brian!

 

[MR.X]

I was mighty tempted by this set, and I am glad it went to a good home.

Congrats Brian!

Well worth the price. Nice score Brian.

 

[Rileysan]

Well worth the price. Nice score Brian.

Thanks! I debated with myself whether or not I wanted to take the plunge the first time it was listed and would have missed out had someone bid. Fortunately it didn't sell the first time around and I no longer had any doubts I wanted to add it to my collection. Now that I have the set, I'm happy I bought it!

That’s a nice looking set. Just great condition. Can you post some of the logo stampings?

I have a few misc sockets from this era with this style of logo but none as crisp and clearly marked as these, and I love the blue tools!

Cool spinner set, Brian.

I see what you mean. The box has clearly been sized for the pieces. There's no socket missing, you couldn't fit another one if you tried, and the longer hinge handle wouldn't fit. It's something in between the A-415 and the A-475. (What's neat is there are actually more sockets in this set than the 475, which snubbed the tray off to fit an extension.) It's probably the same size box as the A-416 Special, which also had ten (10) sockets, w/ a 25/32" instead of a 15/16", and a shorter hinge handle. See page 9 in the 1939 cat in between the A-415 and A-475. No pic.

A-41X Special?

You summed up very well what I was thinking. One can only guess at how many set combinations were offered to retailers that may not necessarily be listed in their catalogs. It's a pipe dream of mine to find a trove of mailers and/or brochures hiding in the file cabinet of some family owned hardware store who sold P&C tools prior to WWII. Then again, it might only frustrate me, knowing what I'm missing from my collection!

Brian

 

[Smokeshow69]

Thanks! I debated with myself whether or not I wanted to take the plunge the first time it was listed and would have missed out had someone bid. Fortunately it didn't sell the first time around and I no longer had any doubts I wanted to add it to my collection. Now that I have the set, I'm happy I bought it!







I have a few misc sockets from this era with this style of logo but none as crisp and clearly marked as these, and I love the blue tools!













You summed up very well what I was thinking. One can only guess at how many set combinations were offered to retailers that may not necessarily be listed in their catalogs. It's a pipe dream of mine to find a trove of mailers and/or brochures hiding in the file cabinet of some family owned hardware store who sold P&C tools prior to WWII. Then again, it might only frustrate me, knowing what I'm missing from my collection!



Brian

If only we knew someone who may have visited a hardware store that had a treasure trove of things related to the early p&c years... [emoji848][emoji848]


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[3baygarage]

Those are nice looking. There’s something about the older stuff that’s just way cool.

P&C sockets in the wild are almost always guaranteed to be later, chrome, and just one random 1/2” drive socket that I toss back in the bin.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Those are nice looking. There’s something about the older stuff that’s just way cool.

P&C sockets in the wild are almost always guaranteed to be later, chrome, and just one random 1/2” drive socket that I toss back in the bin.

If you would quit tossing them back you would have a full set [emoji23]


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[3baygarage]

That is very true Smoke.

Last week I found an older P&C short box wrench. I had it in the Evaporust yesterday. The branding is faint, and still, there are no sizes or a part number. Looks like 1/2” x 9/16”.

I did notice an unusual stamping when I found it though. A true “P&C LOVERS” wrench if you will. I just hope that it was Karl in the stamping plant and Betty in accounting, not Kip and Barney in the boiler room.

 

[Rileysan]

Last week I found an older P&C short box wrench. I had it in the Evaporust yesterday. The branding is faint, and still, there are no sizes or a part number. Looks like 1/2” x 9/16”.



I did notice an unusual stamping when I found it though. A true “P&C LOVERS” wrench if you will. I just hope that it was Karl in the stamping plant and Betty in accounting, not Kip and Barney in the boiler room.

I'm more interested in knowing how the sentiment worked out! I can picture the scenario now: "Happy anniversary honey! I got you something for you to remember this moment forever!!" It kind of feels like a Simpson's episode where Homer bought Marge a bowling ball for their anniversary!

Brian

 

[3baygarage]

Yeah, it would be fun to know the backstory. I find it interesting how someone put a larger stamp on a round shank like that and it came out better than the original logo.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Picked up some old combos and a couple doe wrenches

 

[Smokeshow69]

Picked up some old combos and a couple doe wrenches

Nice early wrenches with the hand stamped marks!


Looking for the following PLVMB/PROTO dual marked combo wrenches- 1208, 1210, 1212, 1224, 1228, 1230, 1240, 1242, 1244, 1246, 1248, 1252

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Picked up some old combos and a couple doe wrenches

Are you visiting MR. X?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Not sure on the age maybe you guys know. Just thought they looked cool. Mrx is way out of my zip code! I would certainly enjoy a visit see his collection otherwise.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Joke fell flat, Otg. Your black backdrop and layout reminded me of his presentation style. He likes the black mats and it's always a sharp look.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Ahhh i see what you mean... I was cutting some for some drawers and had that scrap handy.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Looks good.

 

[Provincial]

I agree, nice early pieces. Congrats!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Joke fell flat, Otg. Your black backdrop and layout reminded me of his presentation style. He likes the black mats and it's always a sharp look.

Your joke didn’t fall flat, I loved it [emoji23] I could tell it wasn’t a mr.x post because there was nothing drool worthy carefully placed in the background of the photos [emoji23]


Looking for the following PLVMB/PROTO dual marked combo wrenches- 1208, 1210, 1212, 1224, 1228, 1230, 1240, 1242, 1244, 1246, 1248, 1252

 

[Oldtuleguy]

So the key here is the background teaser

 

[Rileysan]

So the key here is the background teaser

1/2" deep socket set that was recently on eBay? Smokeshow called me when I was supposed to be bidding on that set and I completely forgot until it was too late!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Good thing I had a bid on it or it would have been gone! Thought that stamped logo looked cool.

 

[Rileysan]

Good thing I had a bid on it or it would have been gone! Thought that stamped logo looked cool.

That is such a beautiful set! Grats!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks only had 35$ bid on it, went for 33$. Was sure someone would outbid me.

 

[bmwrd0]

I thought about bidding on that set, but Rileysan seemed keen on it...

Glad it went to someone here.

 

[DD T/A]

The embossed logo on that box is to kill for. I like their rough stampings and how their early wrenches look kinda cobbled but feel strong.

I found these: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7214956&postcount=690

Nonetheless a couple months ago I was at a table at my local flea and another one showed up, old P&C, marked Gil. I passed on it, didn't need that size anymore; the rest I originally bought are in my trucks toolkit.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks guys, nice wrenches DD/TA. I would agree the early wrenches have a nice feel.

 

[MR.X]

Your joke didn’t fall flat, I loved it [emoji23] I could tell it wasn’t a mr.x post because there was nothing drool worthy carefully placed in the background of the photos [emoji23]

I'm vexed by your baseless accusation Ben....BTW, here's an old 1931 P&C catalog with an unusual sticker from just before General Tool moved on from distributing P&C tools to selling Thorsen Tools under the General Tool name.