P&C Stuff

[MR.X]

Thanks Jock.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice detective work. Seems like a plausible explanation.

 

[Smokeshow69]

So this is probably going to be of interest for only real P&C history buffs / geeks but here goes...Years ago, John Derville Jr. relayed to me the story of when Ned Boyd sold his stake of the P&C retail arm to his father John Derville Sr. who was the Asst. Mgr at the time,and left P&C in the late 20's with Sherm Haskins and tool and die maker Pete Mortensen and started Thorsen Tools down by the Bay. ( This ended up on AA and apparently there's a similar condensed version in the Shurtleff family history) So yesterday I was mega bored and made a very half a$$ed attempt to run down whatever happened to some of the guys and I came upon a patent and apparently Pete ran into Howard Fowler in Oakland and co-patented some fluid/air pressure etc.coupling device ideas. The name Fowler sounded familiar and I did a quick search and came up with this air nozzle and also a radiator water nozzle both of which I have in my garage tools on the west coast....Anyway.....I started looking at the Company name and it hit me (possibly) that the PEM in Fowler-PEM Co. is Peter E. Mortensen. ( E. IS his middle initial.)...watcha think?

Edit. so i looked a little more and found, among others, a 1966 patent 3,267,553 to a Peter E. Mortensen assigned to The PEM company...at this point located in Milwaukie Oregon.









Here's some of the earlier Patents Mortensen had some hand in 2,044,252 2,074,021 2,091,515

Good Sleuthing! That sounds very plausible to me... I think you should write a book or paper on your research not just on subject but on p&c/general tool/thorsen....there is so much mis information out there but I think you have the best shot at connecting the dots correctly for everyone.

 

[MR.X]

Nice detective work. Seems like a plausible explanation.

Hi. Thanks. Yeah, well he would have been in the Thorsen Oakland/ Emeryville area around the time those 3 patents were FILED in 1934 so that matches and supposedly he returned to P&C and in all of his later patents he seems to be in P&C's town Milwaukie, Oregon. In the 40 census he's in Milwaukie OR and his 2 daughters births were both located in Milwaukie sandwiching the time period he would have been in Oakland. One was born in 27 and one in 37 so unless he was going back and forth It might be safe to assume he was back with P&C by 37....which by the way, would match the approx. Thorsen to P&C open gear ratchet timeline.
And if PEM isn't an acronym for his name then it's a bit of a coincidence.

 

[MR.X]

Good Sleuthing! That sounds very plausible to me... I think you should write a book or paper on your research not just on subject but on p&c/general tool/thorsen....there is so much mis information out there but I think you have the best shot at connecting the dots correctly for everyone.

Hi Smoke. Thanks.

 

[jabberwoki]

Good Sleuthing! That sounds very plausible to me... I think you should write a book or paper on your research not just on subject but on p&c/general tool/thorsen....there is so much mis information out there but I think you have the best shot at connecting the dots correctly for everyone.

Yeah and get it on that P&C HISTORY web site that the grandson? started?

 

[MR.X]

Hi Steve. Jerry is the great-grandson of Charles Carlborg's Sis. I wonder what he's up to?

 

[jabberwoki]

Yeah I've not heard from him in a while?

 

[tin medic]

New 1928 P&C catalog for the collection.

 

[jabberwoki]

Very nice , you should see it that ones been up loaded to the p&c site yet?

https://www.pnctools.com/

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Your on a catalog roll!

 

[tin medic]

Very nice , you should see it that ones been up loaded to the p&c site yet?

https://www.pnctools.com/

This one is on there.

 

[Smokeshow69]

New 1928 P&C catalog for the collection.

Dang

 

[outofbounds]

No affiliation to the seller (although he is a new neighbor of mine, horning in on my turf! )

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/470864810721132/?ref=saved&referral_code=null

 

[Username already in use]

Snagged this nifty little P&C level from the auction site. Pretty cool.

 

[JjKk40]

Just picked this up on FB. My 1st ever P&C anything!

 

[Outlawmws]

That's Great! Now you need to fill it up!

 

[Catfishdan]

Snagged this nifty little P&C level from the auction site. Pretty cool.

I’m generally against restoring old tools, but that thing would look awesome repainted and polished! Is it aluminum?

 

[jabberwoki]

Love that tool box Jj , it's a long way from home.

 

[JjKk40]

Oh yeah its totally across the country from me! I'm pulling it from its home in the upper north west!

 

[piehammer]

P&C 1708-S 8 inch adjustable wrench.

I also have the following P&C sockets if anyone is interested:
6120 5/8 deep 12pt
3012 3/8 12pt
6034 1-1/16 12pt
6020 5/8 12pt

2816 1/2 - 7/16 open end wrench

 

[Username already in use]

I’m generally against restoring old tools, but that thing would look awesome repainted and polished! Is it aluminum?

Yeah, it's aluminum. I'm with you, it'd be nice all cleaned up, but it won't happen anytime soon. Too many other projects.

 

[Username already in use]

I recently purchased this DOE display. Thought I had more wrenches to put on there, but there's still a bunch of gaps. I'm accepting donations.

Pre (R) wrenches seems to fit best on this guy. Pretty neat table top display.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That is cool

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I don't recall ever seeing a board designed to hold DOE wrenches like those electricals at the bottom. Kind of nifty.

 

[RTM]

Figures, I have two 2812s. I also have a 15/16 & 1" but according to my notes, doesn't have the 2832 stamp. Will have to look later.

 

[Catfishdan]

I got your 2818 and 2810. Pm incoming.

 

[Username already in use]

Thanks guys!

I don't recall ever seeing a board designed to hold DOE wrenches like those electricals at the bottom. Kind of nifty.

Nifty yes, but finding P&C electrical wrenches is not very nifty at all.

I got your 2818 and 2810. Pm incoming.

Excellent! Replied and THANK YOU!

 

[c1504]

That thing is so cool!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Thanks guys!

Nifty yes, but finding P&C electrical wrenches is not very nifty at all.



Excellent! Replied and THANK YOU!

Let me check my stash...I can probably help a brother out on that counter top board! Nice pick up.

**edit, I just sent you an email**

 

[stormking]

Hey username, What does the back of that board look like? I have a couple of versions but have never thought they might be for table top use.

 

[Username already in use]

Hey username, What does the back of that board look like? I have a couple of versions but have never thought they might be for table top use.

Here's a shot of the back side. Looks like original hardware. It collapses down so that it can be hung on a wall or unfold the leg to set it up on a countertop.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Here's a shot of the back side. Looks like original hardware. It collapses down so that it can be hung on a wall or unfold the leg to set it up on a countertop.

Way cool! Countertop use for sure!

 

[stormking]

Thanks username, That absolutely looks original and no wall hanging holes. Your board is different from the two I have. I'll post a pic of those to show the variations when I get a chance.

 

[Username already in use]

Update pic with some wrenches received from Smokeshow. Thanks!

I'll post another pic when I get some more in from Catfishdan!

You guys rock! Thanks for the help!

 

[bmwrd0]

I have been meaning to take a picture of it for weeks now, but I picked this guy up on my vacation, at an antiques shop:

Pre parts number, female drive 3/8"s

 

[Smokeshow69]

I have been meaning to take a picture of it for weeks now, but I picked this guy up on my vacation, at an antiques shop:

Pre parts number, female drive 3/8"s

Nice pickup! I saw that in your vacation photos

 

[r_olson_06]

Update pic with some wrenches received from Smokeshow. Thanks!

I'll post another pic when I get some more in from Catfishdan!

You guys rock! Thanks for the help!

What are you still missing?

Looking for a Round Beam Plomb 1068 Double Box End Wrench

 

[Username already in use]

What are you still missing?

Well provided the USPS can get them here, I’ll just be missing the #2824 and the #131 electrical wrench.
I think Catfishdan is sending the 2818 and the 2810, and I bought a couple electrical wrenches from the auction house.

 

[MR.X]

I have been meaning to take a picture of it for weeks now, but I picked this guy up on my vacation, at an antiques shop:

Pre parts number, female drive 3/8"s

Clean and 3/8" drive too?! that's a tough one!