P&C Stuff

[Oldtuleguy]

With the stamped logo and Portland I would say 40s. By 48 the catalogs show a decal on same set, but catalog art can be unreliable.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Well, I dont have very many p&c catalogs but the 1948 catalog I believe has what I was looking for. Box and divider trays (2) are the same. I don't have the inside logo on mine but I wouldn't be surprised if that is just for illustrative purposes. Now I know what style of tools to fill it with. I actually just recently picked up this open gear ratchet and a few other things ....

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Mine looks similar but has milwaukee stamp. Came with some tools I assumed were original. Has the little socket carral

 

[Stillgottimefor1]

Stillgottime that little socket coral is easily fabricated.

Yeah, but was it soldered or something? There are 4 small holes. Getting the paint off today in between doing other things. I may have it half-presentable by tomorrow. Is it about the same age as your blue one?


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[Oldtuleguy]

Yes has milwaukee stamp. That is the 3/8 set box

 

[Smokeshow69]

Mine looks similar but has milwaukee stamp. Came with some tools I assumed were original. Has the little socket carral

Interesting, yours has the bump for the speed handle- handle while mine doesn't. And yes, some of your tools very well might be correct for that box! Interesting that mine says Portland while yours says Milwaukie -which is the suburb of Portland that the factory was located in...I would imagine the wording would help pin down the age on each box but I don't have enough catalogs to go through to look

 

[Username already in use]

I recently added this steel handle half hatchet to the collection.



Pairs well with the hatchet I acquired last year.




Now I'm just missing the hickory handle half hatchet.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I recently added this steel handle half hatchet to the collection.



Pairs well with the hatchet I acquired last year.




Now I'm just missing the hickory handle half hatchet.

Very nice collection! I think those are often overlooked by collectors because they forget that p&c sold hatchets

 

[bmwrd0]

Heres mine:


The speeder is too early for this set but I haven't come across the correct one yet, and I did forget to clean the rust on the top so I need to get on that!

I also have 1/4 and 3/8 sets from that period, but I will take pics of those on another date. They are probably in this thread anyhow.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Nice. I like the half speeder.

 

[Username already in use]

Real nice.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Heres mine:


The speeder is too early for this set but I haven't come across the correct one yet, and I did forget to clean the rust on the top so I need to get on that!

I also have 1/4 and 3/8 sets from that period, but I will take pics of those on another date. They are probably in this thread anyhow.

Nice set there BMW! I like that one handed speeder...not real common and they look really cool. Your box looks like it would clean up really nice!

 

[Username already in use]

I don't usually find a bunch of P&C here in the midwest. Today, I lucked into more than a handful of 1/2" drive socketry.

 

[Old Radar]

This P&C 6211 was so grimy I couldn't find a makers mark and left it behind on the first day of the estate sale. It was still there on the 75% off day so I picked it up for 75 cents and found the mark after a good de-greasing.

I'm trying to put a narrower date range to it. According to AA, P&C started using their logo around 1926 and included the circle-R "Registered" symbol sometime after 1953.
Archive.org has a 1935 catalog depicting a 6210 but no mention of a 6211.
They also have a 1958 Shapleigh Hardware catalog that shows a ratchet with the 6211 designation but with an enclosed head that quickly disassembles for cleaning or repair. This one is open and does not disassemble.

Anyone have any insight?

 

[Outlawmws]

That's a nice one OR -should clean up nice too. I have my dad's 9209 Exposed gear, (3/4")

 

[Provincial]

OR, that number stamping really shows how they changed the individual numbers in the holder;

 

[jabberwoki]

A mate gave me a bag o goodies the other day.
There`s a 1 7/16 3/4 drive socket with a male ratchet plug in it.
Gave it a clean and a rust bath and sure enough there`s a P&C logo on it.

 

[AK4570]

Pulled this case (5295?) yesterday and a couple of tools along with it.

Anyone looking for any of these, let me know... I'm trying to avoid adding another tool brand to the obsession!

Best regards,
John

 

[Mintgrun]

Were these modified by a user, or did P&C make them this way? I can't really tell, based on the execution. The modification seems well done. It looks like there are numbers (?) before and after the 1278 part number, but I cannot make them out.

Tom

 

[MR.X]

I think that's just "mfd." & "u.s.a." before and after the tool#.

 

[Mintgrun]

Duh. Silly me. Image search proves you're correct. Although, now I'm wondering why the image I pulled up has that extra hole....


Thank you for the help.

Tom

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Snagged this 10-inch J.P. Danielson made adjustable this morning at the flea. 1952.

 

[RagTopTA]

Downsizing.and gettig rid if the extras. Anyone interested in this lot of P&C tools? Shipped in flat rate box. Pm me.

 

[jabberwoki]

Could i be a pain in the **** and ask for the tool numbers of the pliers and the punch to see in they`ll fill spaces on the rotisserie?

 

[RagTopTA]

Pliers 1275 x2
1241
1209
1260


Punches
72
62
24

 

[jabberwoki]

Any chance of just #62?

 

[Hiball]

I spent some time in the Branson area for a little getaway with the family and hit a couple antique shops in Osage, Mo on the way back. Generally I don’t find much at these places but you never know and I came across a P&C tool display. Im not real familiar with the brand, but I figured I’d show a picture just in case it’s something someone is looking for. It seemed a whole lot of Crazy in regards to pricing and the picture isn’t too great as it was elevated in the booth. Enjoy…

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Ooohhhh. P&c rotomat

 

[Provincial]

Crusty P&C Rotomat. Pretty beat! If they moved the decimal point one digit to the left, I might be interested.

Edit to add: It is the woodworking tool version. Notice that the outlines in the foreground are wood planes.

 

[Old Radar]

Crusty P&C Rotomat. Pretty beat! If they moved the decimal point one digit to the left, I might be interested.

Edit to add: It is the woodworking tool version. Notice that the outlines in the foreground are wood planes.

So that means two decimal points to the left?

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Little overpriced!

 

[Provincial]

So that means two decimal points to the left?

Maybe not if free shipping!

 

[RTM]

P&C as a mfg of WW tools is news to me. We’re the like so many just private labeling other’s goods, or did they actually make their own?
Guess I need to re-read 1600+ posts now.

 

[Provincial]

Woodworking tools don't show up in the hand tool catalogs, so they must have been marketed separately. The Rotomat era was 1950's to 60's, so that is an indication.

My opinion is that Pendleton may have dabbled in woodworking tools by selling vendor-supplied tools under the P&C brand, rather than the Proto brand. Probably more of an experiment than a serious expansion of product line.

 

[bmwrd0]

Woodworking tools show up in at least the '66 catalog. Bit braces start on page 67 and planes are on page 74. There are also hammers, saws, hand drill, chisels, etc. And I have seen some Proto woodworking tools, such as a miter box, and I have a Proto handplane.

https://pnctools.com/downloads/66.pdf

 

[MR.X]

Getting out of my lane here but I've heard woodworking guys say the P&C stuff is Millers Falls. Something to be aware of I guess is that resellers often advertise the tool #"s ( for example 1944, 1943 )as the manufacturing date, though that's way before P&C was selling those types of tools.

 

[RTM]

Looking at the Deluxe planes A & C planes from BMW's catalog, those do have a Millers Falls look, the split lever cap. You can see it on the leftmost here.



In their later years, MF started offering cheaper planes, like the 900 seen here, which did not have the split lever cap. These could be the P&C budget planes.

Millers Falls Hand Tool & Precision Tools: Form No. H-161C : Millers Falls Co. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

72 p., illus., 22.7 cm, trade catalog

archive.org

If anyone has a P&C plane, this image shows the lozenges which are another MF giveaway.

 

[Lesserstore]

Millers Falls did make P&C wood working tools since Ingersoll Rand bought Millers Falls in 1962.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

A little p&c 1/4" ratchet

 

[Smokeshow69]

A little p&c 1/4" ratchet

Nice grab! Only made in 1/4 drive size.