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Outlawmws

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Agree on the use - and the "blade" section would give good purchase to an adjustable.

I have seen punches and chisels ground into many things, usually a crude EZout. but I'd bet I have one ore more ground like that.
 
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saukit

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A few P&C pieces out of the cleaning line: Giant 2242 DBE along with a smaller 2229. A couple of 2712 combos, a 71 punch, and an 11/16 socket, don't recall the number.

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Oldtuleguy

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No markings on sockets. Early sets came in a wood box! I think a few others are posted here on this thread.
 

MR.X

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With a long universal jointed t-handle?

Me neither. I'm not sure I've seen anything exactly like that from any mfgr. The Billmont wrench comes close.
Greg K has one. If you go to Jerry Johnson's P&C site....patents... below the patent info you can click on some pics. Only diff. off the top of my head is Greg's has a removable drive piece.
 

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Sorry to create any confusion. I was referring to the wood box. The tool itself is new to me. No pat number but stamped pat pending.
 

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Only diff. off the top of my head is Greg's has a removable drive piece.
Interesting you should point that out. I was staring at OTG's long and hard to see if the knuckle joint was removable or not. And now that I think about it, the Billmont wrenches are not really a good comparison. The knuckle joint spins inside a stationary shaft. With the P&C, the whole unit turns.
 
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I finally dug out my P&C WF89 to do a direct comparison with my new N89. The WF is slightly longer and the offset details are very slightly different. I pulled the smaller N85 out of the NAF box to be in the pictures. I can’t quite get the N89 to fit in the NAF box. They are some pretty substantial wrenches.
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I remembered the pretty deep dive that was done back then, but I was never able to do the comparison myself until I found my own N89. Being able to see the wrenches in person is a little different than reading about them.😳
-Don
 

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Here is an interesting one from the pawn shop yesterday. At first I thought it was custom but I don’t believe it is. Flat blade for a ratchet 3/8 drive. Pretty cool for sure. Back in its day it probably would of seen lots of use with flat head screws. Model number 3211 not sure of a time period but guessing probably 60s.
 

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We've all seen tools that looked like they went home with some employee or were factory 2nds, etc. Unfinished, poorly stamped or whatever. Here are some tools that were donated to the Polk County Oregon Historical Society Museum yearly fundraiser and appear to be 20's era P&C. I got them from a cool dude who always comes up with good stuff and found these on the last day of the sale. Only the small offset 9/16 wrench on the far left of the 1st pic is marked P&C but all the others have P&C characteristics and the look. The 1st tool on the left is their "one man" offset box wrench so that one guy could get the nut and bolt on the Model T Ford crank case without help. The "special double offset socket wrench" 2nd from the left can be found in the very earliest catalogs and in my experience are very scarce. 3rd from the left, the short bend offset socket wrenches are out there, though the 6 pts like this one being a little less common than the 12 pts. Next are what looks like 3 socket wrenches that never received their bend. Does anyone have pictures of the chronological forging process of a socket wrench like this being made? The speeder on the far right has P&C features too though not as definitive IMO as the other wrenches, it came in the lot as well. The short bend, the double socket wrench and the speeder all have a W or M in parenthesis so I don't know if that was the original liberator's ID or what. The 3 straight fixed socket wrenches are unmarked and do not appear to have ever been marked....Anyway, pretty unusual and early stuff if you're into P&C.
 

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Smokeshow69

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We've all seen tools that looked like they went home with some employee or were factory 2nds, etc. Unfinished, poorly stamped or whatever. Here are some tools that were donated to the Polk County Oregon Historical Society Museum yearly fundraiser and appear to be 20's era P&C. I got them from a cool dude who always comes up with good stuff and found these on the last day of the sale. Only the small offset 9/16 wrench on the far left of the 1st pic is marked P&C but all the others have P&C characteristics and the look. The 1st tool on the left is their "one man" offset box wrench so that one guy could get the nut and bolt on the Model T Ford crank case without help. The "special double offset socket wrench" 2nd from the left can be found in the very earliest catalogs and in my experience are very scarce. 3rd from the left, the short bend offset socket wrenches are out there, though the 6 pts like this one being a little less common than the 12 pts. Next are what looks like 3 socket wrenches that never received their bend. Does anyone have pictures of the chronological forging process of a socket wrench like this being made? The speeder on the far right has P&C features too though not as definitive IMO as the other wrenches, it came in the lot as well. The short bend, the double socket wrench and the speeder all have a W or M in parenthesis so I don't know if that was the original liberator's ID or what. The 3 straight fixed socket wrenches are unmarked and do not appear to have ever been marked....Anyway, pretty unusual and early stuff if you're into P&C.
I can’t help you at all on wrench forging pictures but that is some early and really cool stuff! Glad you ended up with it!
 
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