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Painting - spray it or roll it?

Viper98912

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Undecided on whether to roll or spray the garage. I painted the entire interior (rolled) of my last house, and was not fun. It's not supposed to be, but still, a lot of work.

It's a 3 car garage with 10 ft walls and a full drywall ceiling that also needs to be painted, so not only is there a lot of wall area but there's a lot above your head. I'm sure the overhead stuff will be a huge pain.

I purchased a Graco X5 from Home Depot for $300, in the event I decide to spray. It's still completely sealed so I can still return it. I've never sprayed before, but have been warned about having to cover EVERYTHING.

Side note - I use Home Depot's Behr Ultra, since I like how it goes on. I normally rolled two coats and was happy with the results.

What do you guys think? Spray or roll? :dunno:
 
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We've done both spray and roll-on. Even with an airless setup, over spray does go everywhere and you'll spend lots of time putting down plastic to catch the residue, off the floor and yourself. My painter was suited up like a HAZMAT guy. You usually need two coats sprayed perpendicular to one another to make sure there are no missed spots, especially if you've never done this work before, it takes a technique. And, proper cleaning of the airless is extremely important if you want it to work on the next job.

Old fashioned rolling is better and almost anyone can do it with little equipment or experience. Put down painters plastic along the base of the walls to catch drips, buy a good roller and adjustable extension pole and simply get it done. One coat primer/sealer, two coats of paint and it should last decades if quality paint is applied. Take up the painters plastic, wash all your tools and your good.
 

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Spray is much faster and gets into tight spots like under eaves better, but you have to spend a lot of time masking ahead of time. You might need to back brush as well if your coverage is not uniform. I do either depending on the job.
 

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I have a similar unit to your airless and I use it every chance I get. I have sprayed a crazy stucco ceiling, outside of my shop and inside my shop attic.
Picture using spray paint x5 in terms of coverage at once. It also over sprays like spray paint x5. So seal off anything you don't want paint on. I used cardboard in my hand around windows and went back with a brush to get it close. Tape off your floors and outlet holes.
I shot 9 gallons of paint on the exterior of my shop in about 5 hours including moving the scaffolding around. I shot 7 gallons of paint into the attic space in under 2 hours. What you save in "rolling" time you make up for in prep time. It is faster, and does a nicer job in the end if you prep good.



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My advice is the 3rd option; to pay someone else to do it :D

Seriously, I hate painting....
That's my thinking too. If you don't care for painting you are better off hiring someone who does it all the time. You will get a better job and you won't have to screw around doing something you don't like to do.
 

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I've done both many times. I've used the small syringe type rollers with paint feed in the handle but they are a bit of a pain (although inexpensive). For our current house, I found this:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Graco-Pressure-Roller-Kit-244512/100163091

It attached directly on the airless head. You can roll nearly as fast as you can spray but you don't have to backroll afterwards. Highly recommended.
 

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I use an airless to put the paint on the surface. Extremely fast, saves most of the irritating labor of getting the roller wet, and getting even coverage of paint on the wall or ceiling.

However, to get a good solid "bite" on the surface, the paint has to be brushed in or rolled. Use the airless to get the paint on a section of wall or ceiling, and then roll it to get it worked in.

The sequence is to mask everything to avoid over-spray, then go around all the corners and with a brush, and pre-paint them. Then, put on the bulk of the paint with the airless, a section at a time. Do only what you can roll within 5 minutes, so it doesn't prematurely dry. Roll it in, preferably at 45 degrees to the direction you sprayed for one rolling, and then perpendicular to the floor one rolling, moving the roller over 1/2 of the roller width each pass. Don't remove the roller from the wall at the ends, pivot it and move it over as you roll. You may have to make a pass along the top of the wall next to the ceiling, after the 45 degree roll and before the final roll.

Painting this way will give a professional, long lasting coverage that you won't get by spraying alone.
 

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A good airless is great for exterior siding or unfinished interiors. Not as good on drywall.

I switched from Behr (after doing a whole house, 2 coats) to Sherwin Williams. It is a bit thinner which makes it easier to apply and go further. Also a bit more expensive. (BTW, Behr ceiling paint ***** unless they changed it.)

I'm old school. Bare drywall means primer and 2 top coats. You might get away with 1 in a garage.
 

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I rolled my 24x36 walls and ceiling in a weekend. Walls are 12' high. I used a long handle and bought a platform style step ladder at HD. I used an 18" roller on the walls. Used a 12" on the ceiling because the 18" was too heavy. I used the best Behr paint with the one coat guarantee.
 

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Love professional airless sprayers but they do require a lot of prep, then again you get leeway for a garage. Also, unlike rolling, every taping imperfection will show up. I prefer oil base primer, a light breathable coat, then latex top coat; oil base adheres much better to drywall ( and it's dust). If you go latex primer, agree with others about rolling it after spraying it, just for the primer.
 

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I have a Greco X7 and use it over rollers as long as the space is relatively empty. It's difficult to work around furniture/toolboxes, etc. with a long pressure hose but otherwise spraying ia a lot simply and much faster.
 

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I use the airless to get the product on then back roll. Goes real quick if you have one person spraying and the other one rolling.

I also like to give the mud joints a quick spray with no rolling. By the time I get back to the start it is usually dry enough not to pick off when the first primer cover coat is back rolled. I'm also a fan of two primer coats with each getting a quick sanding.

Scaffolding works the best for ceiling work.
 
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Wow guys, lots of great replies thank you.

I did not think about the backrolling. I did have a concern about paint adhesion when spraying, since you're not really pushing it onto the wall. Have to spray and then roll, is a little more work than I was expecting.

Regarding that rolling spray attachment from Graco, that's actually pretty cool, I did not know they made that. I may consider picking one up, since it looks like that might save a lot of time; you just keep rolling up and down instead of having to come back to the pan every couple rows. Only concern is that it looks like it starts to come apart internally and starts putting shards of metal into your paint (per the online reviews). Definitely not good for the white ceiling I want to put on. I wonder if there's a way to turn down the pressure.

Regarding the primer - the entire garage is actually already finished and painted (including the ceiling). Hate the color; doesn't fit my new man-space needs :).

I read on the reviews that Behr's ceiling paint is terrible as well, so I'll just be using the Ultra for the ceiling (pure white).
 

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Keep in mind that you have to back roll or back brush every time you spray.
I got that education when I painted my interior. My next door neighbor is a professional painter and has all the equipment. He helped with mine. He told me the sprayer was to put the product up quickly. The back roll was to even it out.
Have to spray and then roll, is a little more work than I was expecting.
Actually, it usually is less work. I have rolled only and it is harder than spray and back roll.
 
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Spray primer, spray ceiling white, if drywall, nib sand walls, wipe down with damp cloth, then your choice of rolling, spray/backroll, or power roller. I usually just roll the color on walls due to switching colors room to room, too much cleanup to spray color with airless.
 

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A friend of mine is a painter too and we used his sprayer to paint the primer an both floors and the final color on the garage level. It was very fast with one guy spraying and one guy rolling. We did the two floors in a few hours. I did the final on the second floor with rollers and brushes and it took all day.
 

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I had to paint the ceilings in my house about ten years ago. Tried rolling, it would pull the popcorn off with each stroke. Somebody gave my a Graco airless sprayer, and...

Spent a day and a half masking everything in the house, then spent about three hours spraying 2500 square feet of ceiling. No backrolling, obviously, and ten years later it still looks great. the only problem I had was where the original coat (when the house was built) didn't stick well in a couple of places, and a little heavy paint on my part peeled it off. fortunately it was somewhere that was easily fixed.

I've sprayed the outside of my shop building twice in ten years (once when built, the secont time after I added on). I'd never consider rolling an exterior surface again.

Good cleanup, oil the pump when done, and you should be OK.
 

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I sprayed my entire interior of my build with the Graco Magnum Project Painter Plus. New construction drywall with 2 coats of primer and 2 finish coats totaling about 40 gallons of paint. I rarely back rolled, only if I got an area too thick and saw a run.
 

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In a rental, I sprayed 1600 sf of skip troweled ceiling. No rolling.
Also sprayed the outside of the block house, including faux louvered plastic shutters. No rolling. Fine after 3 years.
A real time saver on louvered shutters!
 

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Is there roller attachment for the spray gun set? I had one and it force fed the roller.

To me it was the best of both worlds when I had to do a LOT of one color.
 
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Yes, this force feeding rolling attachment is looking fairly nice at the moment...
 

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For a garage I wouldn't back roll. Just spray it out. Exterior is another story. If this is new drywall, then I would put down PVA primer first (tinted) then the finish. Not a fan of Behr, but is will do in a pinch.
 
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Hey guys, thanks for the feedback. After looking into the roller attachment and messing with it at Lowes, I figured that the handle is too short, so I'd need to buy the extension. Add another $50 to the $80 cost of the roller attachment, plus the $300 cost of the X5, and I'm not exactly satisfied.

I was looking through Home Depot's website and noticed that Wagner makes the Smart Sidekick which is exactly the powered roller minus the spraying, etc. Looks to be exactly what I'm looking for. And it's only $90. Looks like this is the way I'll be going (I already bought the paint, just don't want to put it up yet...).
 

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I was looking through Home Depot's website and noticed that Wagner makes the Smart Sidekick which is exactly the powered roller minus the spraying, etc. Looks to be exactly what I'm looking for. And it's only $90. Looks like this is the way I'll be going (I already bought the paint, just don't want to put it up yet...).

Several years ago when I painted the interior of my home, I used a Wagner "paint crew plus" which is similar to the sidekick your looking at.

It actually worked quite well, and although at the time I considered it to be 'disposable', I still have it
 

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Power rollers **** for the most part. I have one for my Graco 190es. I have sprayed so much paint through that airless in 10 years or so that I had to buy a new motor for it and rebuild the pump and replace the gun. For the first 5 years or so, I only used it for my side jobs since I used my uncle's gas/hydraulic airless sprayers while working for him. I later switched jobs and used the baby airless for my daily work when needed.

When I switched jobs, I went to doing mostly manual painting. In finished buildings, an airless can be more work than it is worth. I was very good and fast at brushing and rolling. A 5 gallon bucket and 9" lambs wool roller cover and 3.5" angled sash brush made quick work of the offices I worked on. Warehouses and complete rebuilds or new work would get the airless.

Backrolling is the way to go. Use PVA or water based cover stain primer on new drywall and 2 coats of finish. I used ONLY the Behr Ultra (swiss coffee color) on the slick walls that I put up in my garage. It looks like **** to me. I sprayed and back rolled it as well. At one point, the Ultra worked well on exterior wood for me, but the behr paint isn't what it used to be. The 0 voc stuff *****. It would have been cheaper to use pva and then Behr premium plus, but it meant cleaning out the airless and roller twice, if I had done that. I rarely had to do any back brushing. There is an art to spraying. It took me a few years of doing it all of the time to get good at it, when I started in the industry. I also started at the age of 14 and worked on remodeling my uncle's house, so I only worked on vacations until I was out of high school and college.

If the garage is already painted, in decent shape, and was done with water based product, you might be able to skip the primer. The best would be to use primer (tinted if going dark) and 2 finish coats. It is much easier to brush and roll previously painted surfaces than new drywall or texture. The other advantage to rolling is the texture. On commercial work, I often used a 3/4" nap lambs wool cover to create additional texture in the paint. The walls had a fine/light orange peel and the texture helped hide imperfections. There were some jobs that I finished with a 1/4" nap roller on a level 5 drywall finish to prevent texture, but that wasn't the norm and it wasn't a garage.

I never bothered with Behr ceiling paint. I didn't see a point to it. Behr premium plus was my go to for the last 10 years. On a new home or complete remodel, I would spray and backroll the primer and ceiling color, and then brush and roll the walls in the colors that were picked.

Most people don't use enough paint on their roller and they don't get enough on the wall. I loaded the roller and did 1-3 swipes for the height of the wall, dipped and did another few, until I had roughly 4 feet or so covered. Then, I rolled back over it without dipping to even out the paint, while maintaining a nice wet coat, and I kept a wet edge as I worked. Amateurs tend to push hard on the roller to try and squeeze the paint out of it. I was not a fan of masking either, but was thorough when masking for spraying, and when rolling, I did almost everything free hand. It looks better when you can cut in a nice line where colors or trim meet your painted surface and it saves on the masking. If I did use tape, I had to clean up the line with a brush afterward. Most surfaces on buildings are not ideal for taping clean lines, like you could do on auto paint.

Airless sprayers are great for lattice, shutters, stucco, siding, garage doors or anything that needs multiple coats. If it need one or two coats over existing paint, I considered doing it by hand. If it was complex or needed more coats, especially on a new surface, I would consider the effort of masking and cleaning the airless vs. all of the slow manual labor.
 
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Purchased the Wagner Sidekick, going to try it out next weekend. Felt like a good purchase for $90, we'll see how it works.
 
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Hey guys,

Just wanted to send an update for the search button. Overall, I'm happy with the $90 purchase. Definitely made painting much faster, especially on the full ceiling. Walls definitely made it a lot better and faster. With the traditional way, the continuous motion up and down onto a regular pan on the floor is very time consuming and (while you may not think it at the time), a good workout you probably don't want to be having. Especially with an extension.

Only bad thing was that the seal (U-style) doesn't seal very well as you use it more and more, even on the first day. It starts to leak right where the handle rod goes into the roller, and it starts to leak pretty bad, splotching paint all over your floor. I ended up finding a regular O-ring to place inside the U-shaped seal to help push the U out more. Once I did this, it completely stopped leaking and sealed perfectly. So overall, only thing I'd recommend is you buy some o-rings as a space filler to help you seal. Other than that, no problems.

In terms of cleanup, it's not too bad. Cleaning up the roller plugs portion is simple. While doing that, I used 3/4 of a 5 gallon pail with water and let it flow through the pump/hose/handle. I did this three times, with the last two times only with very hot water. The hot water really helped clean out all of the excess paint inside the lines. You know it's clean when the water starts flowing out clean into your bucket.

Overall, well worth the $90.
 
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