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Hey guys looking for ideas to light the pantry in the kitchen. It is roughly 34" wide, 20" deep, and 72" high. Halfway up it become 14" deep.
I was thinking about lighting underneath of each wire shelf shining down, but am open to suggestions. There is no wiring/switches anywhere nearby so maybe batteries are an option?
 
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I agree, I personally wouldn't recommend any type of battery powered light. To me they are just too much of a nuisance. I haven't seen any that put out decent light and when you need it the most the battery will be dead.

Without seeing pictures, its kind of hard to visualize. Is the ceiling flat or sloped? I would probably put up a flush mount LED ceiling fixture like this or this. It will be more work and may require you to hire a professional if you're not comfortable/qualified but I think you will be much happier with the outcome.
 
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Here are a couple of pics.
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It does have a flat ceiling. Not sure I would be able to see the light in the middle sections with a light from the top.
We have a good bit of light from the kitchen till you stand in front of the shelves, then you get a person sized shadow in your light.
 

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Watching this. The Mrs is always claiming an inability to find stuff and I feel mine (all wood) is dark as a coal mine. Had to resort to my EDC flashlight yesterday. I have electricity nearby, but not in the pantry so I am in the same position as the OP.
 

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I've got a tap light in the pantry that gets limited use. It's on velcro so if you want to go hunting in the back you can pull it off the wall and point it around in there. Batteries in little lights like that last a long time as the draw is so small. You might setup a few little battery lights just to see if you would even use them much. If you use them all the time and the batteries start running dead, run wiring. If you don't use them anyway, spend your time and money elsewhere.
 

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I'd say some kind of motion activated led strip lighting mounted on the back side of both sides of the door jamb. Battery operated if you can't get wiring to the closet. I have motion activated battery operated strip lights in my stairwell and the batteries last quite a while.
 

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I'd say some kind of motion activated led strip lighting mounted on the back side of both sides of the door jamb. Battery operated if you can't get wiring to the closet. I have motion activated battery operated strip lights in my stairwell and the batteries last quite a while.

After seeing the pictures, this was my first thought too. LED strip type under cabinet lights, LED Strips like this or rope lights along the side wall or on the back side of the door jamb.
 
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After seeing the pictures, this was my first thought too. LED strip type under cabinet lights or rope lights along the side wall or on the back side of the door jamb.

I would use these, but mount them on the back side of where each shelf turns down in the front, to light the space below.

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I would go with LED lighting and some rechargeable batteries and micro switches on the door. Something like this should provide a good bit of light cheap.

Ebay LEDS

Depending on how much light you want a little rechargeable lithium battery will last a long time.
 

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I would use these, but mount them on the back side of where each shelf turns down in the front, to light the space below.

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With open wire shelving I would be concerned about a couple of things. First, if you use strip or even rope lighting it would be subject to damage through the open spaces between the wires. Also these types of lights wouldn't be directional which means that they would be shining in your eyes as much as they were lighting up the shelf below.

Directional under cabinet lights could work like this, but you have the issue of how to mount them and what they would look like (if you care) since they would be on full display through the wire shelves.

Both problems are solved on cabinets by the solid cabinet bottom. You could mount a backer behind the down turn on the front of the shelf, something like a 1x2 and then mount the strip or rope lights to the back of that. It would give them protection, hide the mounting, avoid blinding you and might look pretty good. The LED strip lighting is low voltage so might be easier to work with. You could run off rechargeable batteries, but my personal preference would still be to install permanent power to avoid the long term hassle.
 
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What if strip lighting was used on the back wall under each shelf facing the door? Most of the light going up would be blocked by the product from the shelf above, and the rest should illuminate the product on the shelf below.....right?
 

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With open wire shelving I would be concerned about a couple of things. First, if you use strip or even rope lighting it would be subject to damage through the open spaces between the wires. Also these types of lights wouldn't be directional which means that they would be shining in your eyes as much as they were lighting up the shelf below.

Directional under cabinet lights could work like this, but you have the issue of how to mount them and what they would look like (if you care) since they would be on full display through the wire shelves.

Both problems are solved on cabinets by the solid cabinet bottom. You could mount a backer behind the down turn on the front of the shelf, something like a 1x2 and then mount the strip or rope lights to the back of that. It would give them protection, hide the mounting, avoid blinding you and might look pretty good. The LED strip lighting is low voltage so might be easier to work with. You could run off rechargeable batteries, but my personal preference would still be to install permanent power to avoid the long term hassle.

No, the strip would be mounted on a plate or piece of trim on the back side of the wire shelving drop. And they would face back into the space, lighting it up.

Understand?

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What if strip lighting was used on the back wall under each shelf facing the door? Most of the light going up would be blocked by the product from the shelf above, and the rest should illuminate the product on the shelf below.....right?

I think you would still end up staring into lights, especially when you get on level with a shelf to see what's on it.



No, the strip would be mounted on a plate or piece of trim on the back side of the wire shelving drop. And they would face back into the space, lighting it up.

Understand?

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I agree if that's what you meant. Sorry, I didn't see anything in your post about adding trim or backing plate. I suggested the "improvement" to include a backer:
...Both problems are solved on cabinets by the solid cabinet bottom. You could mount a backer behind the down turn on the front of the shelf, something like a 1x2 and then mount the strip or rope lights to the back of that. ...

If that was implied or stated, sorry I missed it. I agree this would probably provide the best lighting. It would be more work and more visible than just putting it on the backs of the door jambs though.
 
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What if the lights were added to one side wall facing the other side? Still think you would end up looking into the lights?
 

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If they were close to the front wall mounted vertically, it would work but you would have very uneven lighting. Maybe OK, certainly better than you are now. You could certainly try it and see if it's good enough. If it's not enough, you could add the other side later.

If you mount them horizontally along the bottom of the shelf, I think I would still find it annoying looking into them. I also think there would be problems with products on the shelf blocking the light.
 

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http://blog.pegasuslighting.com/201...stalling-a-battery-operated-led-pantry-light/

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I had LED under cabinet lights that were battery powered by 4 or 8 AA each. They could be daisy chained and work on a remote control paddle switch. They were GE brand that I got from SAMs club a few years ago. They consumed batteries I like had never seen. I would forget we even had them and try to turn them on after a month or two and all of the batteries were drained. *****!

Is your basement finished ? Can you pop a circuit up through the floor?
 

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I'd use rope or LED strip lights around the inside door jamb perimeter.

Then a small plunger or toggle switch so they turn on when the door is opened.
 

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For what it's worth, the led strip I linked to above was only an example. There are far cheaper alternatives like this one on Amazon.

Also in the interest of completeness, while I stand by my point if view on the hassle of batteries, you could use something like this to power it. If my calculations are correct, it should power the 16ft strip, which can be cut into multiple strips, for about 3.5 hours before having to be charged for about 8 hours.

On second thought the useful battery life would be more like 2.45 hours, not 3.5.
 
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2.45 hrs does seem like a pain as mentioned. Probably going to have to bite the bullet and hard wire it.
Still open for what lights to actually use.
 
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I don't think it matters too much, but realistically I can't see it being over $100 for the lighting itself......mainly because it's just a pantry.
 

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I'm only putting this here because I have personal experience with them-

http://www.theledlight.com/modularLEDstrips.html

The lights they sell on that page are Antares Bellatrix II-

http://antareslighting.com/ae/bellatrix-ii-led-strip/

We use them on the automated machines we build at work but cost may be excessive for what you want to do. The warm white is too yellow for my preference.

Mount a 45" strip on the backside of the left side of your door jamb towards the floor. Mount a 34" above it and use a coupler to connect the two. Do the same thing for the right side. Use a 72" link cord to connect the left and right sides. Run the link cord above the top of your door jamb and zip tie the excess cable together.

Install a motion sensing outlet one side of your pantry. Plug in a 24vdc power supply into that outlet and run the cord to the first LED strip.

This gets you modular full light coverage from top to bottom and left to right for $358. Those lights come with two brackets each that uses a small wood screw to attach them.

That's how I'd do my pantry lighting if money wasn't an issue for me.
 

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I thought I would post a write up on a “complete” solution for anyone that might be watching, including the OP, as well as for my own future reference. Sorry in advance for the long post... Although this is not exactly the way I would do it, this is how I would advise friends with fewer tools and less knowledge to do it. Personally, I would use wire already in my stash along and soldering and heat shrinking most of the connecting points, but this solution doesn’t require soldering irons, heat guns, or any special tools. My personal preference would be to install / have installed a switched outlet to turn the AC power supplying the power adapter on and off instead of switching the DC, but that’s just me there shouldn’t be any problem leaving the power adapter powered up as long as it is decent quality and UL listed.

I haven’t actually used the materials listed here, but have done my best to insure that they all fit together as expected. I have ordered a reel of the LED strip lighting to use in a couple of upcoming projects. Once it arrives, I will post back with personal experience on that piece. I tried to keep all referenced parts to either Home Depot or Amazon Prime and 3+ star reviewed items.

For reference, one 16’ reel of the LED strip lighting produces approximately 1000 lumens and draws 24 Watts at 12V or approximately 2A. This lumen output is roughly equivalent to a 100W incandescent bulb. However, being spread out the light will obviously be dispersed differently. There are also color differences which affect perception of brightness.

My preference, as suggested earlier in this thread, would be to run the strips down the back side of the door jamb, or better yet on the drywall inside the pantry just beside the door jamb where they will be somewhat hidden. I would also consider running a strip over the top of the door. I will discuss an option for mounting to the front of the shelves later.

The LED strips are available in 6000K bright white as referenced in my earlier post, a more neutral white, warm white, or several colors which aren’t really appropriate for this purpose. My preference is bright white, but others prefer warmer whites. The color is entirely preference, but to me bright white seems, well, brighter. The warmer, yellower, lights just seem dimmer to me. Anyway, pick a color and order enough to go around your doorway. Most “standard” “7ft” doors are roughly 6’8” from the top of standard 5” baseboard to the top of the door jamb. So, one 16’ reel will easily line both sides of the door and leave some for the top of the door. Most of the parts listed here, except the power supply, are good for connecting up to 1 ½ reels (about 24 feet) of LEDs. The LED strip will come on a reel and the photos from Amazon show 1 power adapter in place at the beginning of the reel.

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The strips can be cut about every 2” or 3 LEDs along the indicated cut lines to create separate strips for each location:
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Once the strips are cut, a power adapter can be affixed to the end of strip that was just cut.

While the LED strips are adhesive backed, I prefer the security of mechanical fasteners to insure that they stay put permanently. Make sure the power adapter is already attached to the end of the LED strip and simply remove the paper backing from the adhesive strip and place the strip in the desired location. I would keep the power connectors at the top of the strip. Once they are in place, secure with several clips along the length of the strip. The strips are very light weight and the screw for the clips will certainly hold in the wood door jamb. They would probably hold “good enough” in drywall without anchors. If you are running a strip across the top of the door, orient the power adapter end to the side of the door where the switch will be located.
Secure the power adapter end of each strip with a cable staple or cable clamp. I would use a plastic anchor here if securing to drywall.

Secure the switch in a convenient location. There are a couple of options here. First is a manual switch . Secure this using the same cable staples or clamps used for the power adapter ends above. Another option is a proximity sensor on-off switch This will automatically turn the lights on when movement is detected. Not having any direct personal experience with this switch, I would probably opt for the manual switch.

Connect the male end of the switch cabling to a 3’ extension cable to reach the top of the door jamb and plug the other end into a splitter cable. Plug one of the splitter cable ends into the power adapter on the LED strip along that side of the door. If you ran a strip above the door, plug one of the splitter cable ends into its power adapter. Plug another 3’ extension cable into one of the remaining splitter cable ends and run it to the LED strip on the opposite side of the door. Secure all of this cabling to the door jamb or wall with the same cable staples or clamps used above.
Now you should be ready for power. Plug a power adapter into the nearest AC outlet and run the cable to female connector on the switch, using an extension if necessary. You can use one of the 3’ extensions listed above or a 6’ extension . Alternatively you could use the battery referenced earlier in the thread.
 
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For convenience here is a parts list for the project as outlined here:

Qty 1 6000K bright white LED strip Price $11.77
Qty 1 power adapter 2 per package Price $4.55
Qty 1 mechanical fasteners 100 per package Price $7.95
Qty 1 cable staple 100 pieces Price $4.87 OR or cable clamp 18 per package (screws not included) Price $1.28
Qty 1 manual switch Price $4.95
Qty 1 3’ extension cable 2 per package Price $6.05
Qty 1 splitter cable Price $6.99
Qty 1 power adapter Price $8.99

Total cost approximately $52 - $55.


Optional changes: If you are using a battery instead of an AC adapter, you may want to use several short sections of LED strips as opposed to a full strip along each side of the door. This will obviously produce less light, cost more in power adapter ends, splitters, and extension cables, but will use less battery to operate. You can use any multiple of 3 LEDs per section. So for instance, you could put 6 or 9 LEDs every couple of feet. This would give some light and make the battery last longer between charges.

I also said I was going to discuss a way to run these along the front of each shelf. I haven’t actually tried this, so it might work much better in my head than in practice, but here goes. Cut two pieces of lattice moulding the length of each shelf and run along the front and back of the front edge of each wire shelf, sandwiching the front hanging edge of the shelf between the two strips. Secure these strips by drilling holes and placing a decorative bolt and washer through both strips and a washer with a nut on the back to securely sandwich the two pieces together. Affix the led strips to the back side of each shelf using the adhesive and clips referenced above.

These strip lights should work well for under cabinet lighting as well. One of my projects will be looking at these as a replacement for AC halogen under cabinet lights that have never fit in quite as nicely as originally hoped.
 
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Got the LED strips in the mail tonight. They are not quite as bright as I had hoped they would be. What I was comparing them to must have been similar to what simpler=better posted a link to. But they are more than adequate for pantry lighting. At 75 cents a foot, I will find many uses for these. I don't think they are quite bright enough for under cabinet lights unless they are strictly accent lighting. Note the higher brightness ones linked to by simpler=better are 4x as bright, require 4x as much power, and are $16 per foot. They will be much brighter, but all of the wiring, switches, and power supply have to be adequately sized to support the additional power.

I attached a couple of pictures for reference. I just draped 1 length of the strip across the back of the door in a similar closet and I believe that these would work well lining the door frame as proposed above for that purpose.
 

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Got the LED strips in the mail tonight. They are not quite as bright as I had hoped they would be. What I was comparing them to must have been similar to what simpler=better posted a link to. But they are more than adequate for pantry lighting. At 75 cents a foot, I will find many uses for these. I don't think they are quite bright enough for under cabinet lights unless they are strictly accent lighting. Note the higher brightness ones linked to by simpler=better are 4x as bright, require 4x as much power, and are $16 per foot. They will be much brighter, but all of the wiring, switches, and power supply have to be adequately sized to support the additional power.

I attached a couple of pictures for reference. I just draped 1 length of the strip across the back of the door in a similar closet and I believe that these would work well lining the door frame as proposed above for that purpose.



If you are looking at more lighting from led strip lighting look at these:
I purchased at least 6 of them so far over the past year and they are great.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01339FVZS/?tag=atomicindus08-20

You got 3528 smd leds which is not really bright, but way less power consuming, comparing them to 5050 or 5630. I actually replaced my 3528 from many years ago with newer 5630 leds and couldn't be happier. I attached some pictures of what I did in the garage and they are ****** pictures, but I can take nicer pictures of my modding room utilizing the same leds and power supply/dimmer switch.

Looks good, and if you have an outlet near by you could get a dedicated power supply/switch combo.

Seems like you are on the right path for sure... once you start using LED strip lights it won't end, lol. There are so many uses for them and the fact that the prices keep going lower and they keep getting brighter is awesome. I ended up recycling the smaller 3528 leds to the shed and also did a solar led project. Self sustaining and brighter than anything on the market for triple the price. LOVE leds :)

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A+, high-five, thank you for actually listing out your cut sheet! Too man ypeople fly by night.

What you got is PERFECT for a cabinet, under car hoods, inside a toolbox, etc. Slap it in there and forget about it.

For the under cabinet, the $16/ft makes sense as you want accurate rendition when prepping food.

For reading the label on a can-o-beans, $0.75/ft with poor color rendition is perfect.
 

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I had LED under cabinet lights that were battery powered by 4 or 8 AA each. They could be daisy chained and work on a remote control paddle switch. They were GE brand that I got from SAMs club a few years ago. They consumed batteries I like had never seen. I would forget we even had them and try to turn them on after a month or two and all of the batteries were drained. *****!....?

I have those exact same lights from Sams Club! And OMG do they **** up batteries! When the first set of batteries went dead after using them just a few times, I bought rechargeable AA batteries to use in the lights. That saved me some money on batteries, but it seemed like I was recharging the batteries once a week.

I had them installed in my bar in the basement to light up the surface of the bar. They worked ok for that, but after a few months of having to constantly take them down to remove the batteries to recharge them, I was done with them.

I ended up buying an LED light strip kit from a place called Lee Valley. The kit contained an 8 foot long strip of LED lights, a power supply, some connectors to use if you wanted to cut the light strip into separate sections, and a few other things. I bought a light switch/dimmer for them as well.

I removed the Sams Club battery powered lights from under the bar and replaced them with 4 feet of the LED strip lights. Since I had 4 feet of the stripe lights left over, I used them on the top of the mirror mounted on the wall behind the bar to reflect the light up onto the ceiling.

That has worked out so much better. I still have the Sams Club lights somewhere around here.

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One other thought I would add .... Pantry lights need to be controlled by a door switch. You want to open the door, find, get what you need and shut it. You do not want to fumble for a switch both before and after.

Although motion detection would work, it's not as good as door switch. With motion you have timing issues.

By using LED strips, you are into low voltage wiring/switches. Simple Mag switch like alarms would make it simple, since you don't have to mess with any trim.
 

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I got these for my daughters play kitchen, LED lights.

They are Bright, and last a long time (my daughters is going on 3+ months and she uses the kitchen Everyday and loves to turn on the lights and leave them on for a few hours.)
 

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Way to bump a year old thread. No one reads the post dates apparently.


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I'd say some kind of motion activated led strip lighting mounted on the back side of both sides of the door jamb. Battery operated if you can't get wiring to the closet. I have motion activated battery operated strip lights in my stairwell and the batteries last quite a while.

This could be a very good option. You will see a lot of people do this with gun safes. Definately find a way to get building power to these. Looks like you have a switch right there so you have power close.
 

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Won't be easy with no direct power. Mines got an occupancy sensed switch and 2' LED fixture. This spring I am narrowing down the shelves to 12-16" deep for less wasted shelf space then it's gonna wrap around on all 4 walls.
 
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