PB Swiss madness on Amazon

[Ed_EOD]

Well I went to cancel my order for the 215s but it was already being processed. Oh, well. When I fondle them in about 5 months I'll decide wheather they are going to eBay or not. I guess that also means I can keep an eye out for sweet deals on the regular swissgrip line.

 

[JayL]

My 215 selections are still in my cart. Mostly Torx plus and a few PZ and Mixed Screws tipped blades.

Hmmmm what to do torx plus and slop issues ...

 

[Jeff]

FYI: The PB Swiss catalog states that TorxPlus will not work with conventional Torx fasteners.

 

[Monte]

Did somebody emailed PB Swiss regarding the slop ?

How much side play is there ?

 

[impulse922]

But I'd sure like that torx set you've got. I don't need it though But for $75, that's pretty damn good. What sizes did you end up getting all told?

swiss grip torx: 30,25,20,15,10,9,8,5,3
torx keys: 45,40,35,30,25,15,10,9,8,7,5,4
and one ph3 and a #5 flat tip.

 

[blarf]

FYI: The PB Swiss catalog states that TorxPlus will not work with conventional Torx fasteners.

Yup. TORX Plus is to TORX as Pozidrive is to Phillips.

Did somebody emailed PB Swiss regarding the slop ?

How much side play is there ?

The 215s have about as much slop as your cheapie 4-in-1 screwdrivers you'd get at hardware store. I've got a Taiwanese made screwdriver in that style that's actually quite nice (less rotational free play, no lateral slop). I figure the sloppiness is the nature of the beast.

For the money I've got a set of spare drivers. For the list price of one SwissGrip 8401 series, I've got a set of blades to cover the sizes I'm less likely to find. I still like the grips better than I do on the Wiha (most of their grips are too bulky for my hands).

Speaking of which, I've cleaned my SwissGrip 8401/25 once, and it cleaned up pretty darn well. No idea how it'll stand up to repeated cleanings. I prefer the shape of the SwissGrip to the classic handle, but would rather not have the porous soft grip. The Multicraft look ideal (hard + ergo shaped), but that means forgoing TORX Plus (except for the 215s...) and (for now) Amazon firesale prices. Therein lies the rub. You can only get the trim picks with the Classic handle. You can only get their other picks with the multicraft handles. I'd love to have a collection with a unified handle style.

 

[blarf]

On the left is a 215 T/15 and on the right is a 215 TXP/15. Notice the blue (curious about its significance) and the uneven application of paint to the tip.

On the left is a 410/30 and on the right is a 410/20. Notice the difference in hue of the paint on the tip, as if fewer coats were applied on the T20.

And for the pictures I'm sure you're most interested in. Here's a 215 blade inserted as far into the handle as it will go:

Here's that same blade pulled out so that it's up against the stop:

 

[Ed_EOD]

Would you be able to stuff some rubber or something into the handle to take up slop?

Also I got the swissgrip handle, would this make a difference or is that what everyone else has?

 

[JayL]

@ Blarf

Thanks for the comments and pictures.

What sort of application/s do you have for Torx Plus?

I prefer any of these handles for the 215 series blades but looks like its not available at amazon now.

http://pbtoolsus.thomasnet.com/item...r-interchangeable-blades-type-pb-215/pn-1611?

http://pbtoolsus.thomasnet.com/item...r-interchangeable-blades-type-pb-215/pn-1612?

 

[Ed_EOD]

The handle I got is the 8215 in your second link. I just got it in a set with the flat and phillips drivers since individually they were nearly normal price anyway.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Ah, TorxPlus. At some point in time Hex did the 'nasty' with Torx and nine months later we get TorxPlus.

I use Hex tools on TorxPlus screws and bolts from time to time when I'm too lazy to get a TorxPlus driver. Works very well.

You can also use Torx tools on TorxPlus screws and bolts, when in a pinch.

 

[spazzer]

Torx plus? Never run into a single Torx plus fastener. In fact, I didn't even know what they were until I looked it up on Wikipedia...



Does anybody know of an application were Torx plus is used?

Some GM automatic transmissions use torx-plus fasteners.

 

[blarf]

Would you be able to stuff some rubber or something into the handle to take up slop?

I probably won't bother, and will relegate the 215s to the backup kit. I'm on the fence about dropping another $10 to fill out the set. $20 for a 17 piece TORX/TP set, I'll accept some compromises.

Also I got the swissgrip handle, would this make a difference or is that what everyone else has?

Unsure, but I'm curious. I do prefer the multicraft / swissgrip shape to the classic handle I bought.

What sort of application/s do you have for Torx Plus?

My car. It's a mix so I bought T10, T15, T20, TP10, TP15, TP20. If I fill it out I'll be getting the: T7, T9, T25, T30, TP6, TP8, TP9, TP25, TP27, TP30.

 

[superautobacs]

On the left is a 410/30 and on the right is a 410/20. Notice the difference in hue of the paint on the tip, as if fewer coats were applied on the T20.

I seem to recall reading in a tool magazine that the purplish-hue is a result of a high concentration of some sort of alloy, and that the more purplish it is the better (don't ask me why, but I'll see if I can find it).


PB should be introducing more nano-coated items into their lineup in the future.

 

[blarf]

I seem to recall reading in a tool magazine that the purplish-hue is a result of a high concentration of some sort of alloy, and that the more purplish it is the better (don't ask me why, but I'll see if I can find it).


PB should be introducing more nano-coated items into their lineup in the future.

Interesting. A stronger alloy would make some sense as the two blue hued blades are the TORX Plus ones (and if you go by the indicated maximum torque, you can apply a fair amount more to the plus drivers).

As for rotational and side to side slop, I'd guess 0.5-1.0mm. It's noticeable, but par for the course I s'pose.

 

[Stuey]

PB should be introducing more nano-coated items into their lineup in the future.

What about the coating do you expect/want to be nano-ified?

 

[JayL]

Is this awl hard enough for effective use to scratch lines in metal?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D2V4J0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Monte]

Is this awl hard enough for effective use to scratch lines in metal?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D2V4J0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

For scribing metal i would purchase the pictured red PB Swiss scriber with carbide point.

 

[JayL]

Thanks for the reply Monte.

Any link or model number for that PB Swiss scriber?

 

[impulse922]

Thanks for the reply Monte.

Any link or model number for that PB Swiss scriber?

here it is on the US site..
http://pbtoolsus.thomasnet.com/item...-scriber-with-tungsten-carbide-point/pn-2254?

 

[JayL]

here it is on the US site..
http://pbtoolsus.thomasnet.com/item...-scriber-with-tungsten-carbide-point/pn-2254?

I think it's not available at amazon.

What is the best use for a Square Tipped Reaming Awl such as this then?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D2V4J0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Monte]

I think it's not available at amazon.

What is the best use for a Square Tipped Reaming Awl such as this then?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D2V4J0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

just buy one... you`ll find a use ....

 

[Stuey]

just buy one... you`ll find a use ....

+1!

That's usually my philosophy as well.

 

[Jeff]

Is this awl hard enough for effective use to scratch lines in metal?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001D2V4J0/?tag=atomicindus08-20

That isn't used by itself. It goes with a holder.

I would go with a regular scriber.

 

[JayL]

Yeah I was actually thinking about a 215 Torx Plus kit but have not decided yet if I really need these. I was planning to add the awl in case I go for it.

These 215 blades looks like good additions to such a kit too.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001LV7TR4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001LV4QFC/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[superautobacs]

What about the coating do you expect/want to be nano-ified?

Stuey, sorry, I'm not 100% on what you're asking.

What is the best use for a Square Tipped Reaming Awl such as this then?

An awl originated in the wood-working shop, and therefore it's probably most suited in wood-working tasks. The square reaming awl is used to create a small pilot on soft/hard woods. You push the tip against the wood and you proceed by twisting the awl back and forth, vertically. It's a push, twist, push, twist motion...until you create the desired depth to accept your appropriate screw or pin dowel.

Piercing a hole through a material and quickly enlargening that hole is the primary use in a non-wood-working environment.

 

[Stuey]

Stuey, sorry, I'm not 100% on what you're asking.

I was asking about this comment of yours:

I seem to recall reading in a tool magazine that the purplish-hue is a result of a high concentration of some sort of alloy, and that the more purplish it is the better (don't ask me why, but I'll see if I can find it).

PB should be introducing more nano-coated items into their lineup in the future.

I had no idea what you're talking about. Then I remembered that PB Swiss likes to market their colored bits as having "nano-colored coating tech."

 

[Monte]

"nano-coated" punches

 

[Stuey]

"nano-coated" punches

Those look awesome, but me thinks it's all some marketing fluff.

 

[Jeff]

Those look awesome, but me thinks it's all some marketing fluff.

Yup, they sure look good. But ManCard Law states that no pink tools shall be in your shop unless personally given to you by Pamela Anderson, or her designated substitute.

 

[impulse922]

Yup, they sure look good. But ManCard Law states that no pink tools shall be in your shop unless personally given to you by Pamela Anderson, or her designated substitute.

whatta bout these?

 

[superautobacs]

I had no idea what you're talking about. Then I remembered that PB Swiss likes to market their colored bits as having "nano-colored coating tech."

A japanese tool magazine mentioned the future release of more products incorporating the nano-coating. They claim the nano-coating is a far more durable surface coating than anything currently available in the market. The thickness of the coating is anywhere from 0.000001 to 0.000004mm, yet it's not prone to peeling. Unlike other surface coatings the nano-coating only leaves a thin, hard coating that won't affect the final dimensional accuracy of the tool.

That's not coming outta my ****; it's information coming straight from the source.

 

[blarf]

http://www.pbtools.us/nanotech.html

 

[blarf]

Yup, they sure look good. But ManCard Law states that no pink tools shall be in your shop unless personally given to you by Pamela Anderson, or her designated substitute.

Dude, if you're that insecure, just slap a couple of breast implants on the side of your tool box and be done with it.

 

[Stuey]

The thickness of the layers applied is within the range of the wavelength of visible light (violet 400 nm – red 700 nm).

That's not nanotechnology anymore. If it's greater than 100nm, then the company is just saying "nano" for the sake of it. Maybe not intentionally but still.

From the sound of it, they're just using a specialized CVD (chemical vapor deposition) technique.

 

[Monte]

I would buy a set of punches The "Space" set was once available from the PB distributor here , same price as the regular set. So why not.......

 

[JayL]

Anybody knows when the patent for Torx Plus is going to expire?

 

[Monte]

Anybody knows when the patent for Torx Plus is going to expire?

maybe the inventor knows

www.acument.com

 

[JayL]

How about you Monte? Do you often use or encounter Torx Plus?

Thanks

 

[Monte]

How about you Monte? Do you often use or encounter Torx Plus?

Thanks

never I also don´t have any Torx Plus tools