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Getting set to do a 25x30 paver patio right behind my walkout basement. Here's some questions:
Gas line - Is 1/2 black pipe the right diam when going 25' out from the house?
Also, it will be buried about 12" down. Is that enough for IL? Finally, how far up, above the finished surface, should it be capped off at? 8-12"? Was thinking of putting a gas shut off valve in the house, right outside the house where it connects to the buried pipe and then again where it resurfaces at the BBQ 3x8 case.
Electrical - I already have a sub panel outside for a hot tub, which has room for two more 15 or 20 amp circuits. I'm thinking of running 3/4 EMT from the hot tub sub-panel, burying it below the paver rock base (12" below ground) and then coming up at the BBQ case. I would then have another 3/4 EMT next to it (so both would attach with compression fittings to an above ground junction box under the 3x8 outdoor island (aka BBQ case). The 3/4 EMT would continue to a new light pillar, go buried again, come up another lighted pillar, and then go buried again and come up at an existing deck post (for use as a 3- way switch outlet location). I might even continue on from here for some future pergola lighting. Anyway, I would install a 20amp gfci circuit and use 12 gauge for everything and have everything grounded to the junction boxes. Anybody see any issues here? Oh, power needs at the BBQ case are just for a small under counter fridge and a couple of outlets, plus a couple of lights. I would use one 20 amp circuit just for the BBQ case and the other for all of the deck lighting and/or other outlets.
Outdoor sink - I'm thinking of an outdoor sink too. This would be used mostly to wash hands and as a built in "cooler" to fill with ice and beer/pop.
Water inlet - Instead of running a hose above ground to the sink 25' away, I was thinking of burying a 1' diam galvanized pipe and running it next to my electrical and gas line. At the back corner of my house is where the hot tub sub panel is, along with a water hose hookup, the future gas line, and a sewer hookup that the house comes out of with 2" PVC and hooks into (a green 4" drain). I was thinking of having the galv pipe come up about 12" and have it connect to a T. The T would get an air hose connection to allow me to blow out the water before each winter (think sprinkler system maintenance). The other end of the T would hook up to the water hose bib.
Water outlet - I have a lot of ideas here (some legal and some not) but I appreciate all of your thoughts here so don't hold back but think of how you would build and use it.
(Option 1) thought is to go from the sink to a p-trap and then to a 5 gal bucket under the sink.
(Option 2) is to continue #1 but instead have the pipe go underground to a buried 5 gal bucket.
(Option 3) This is the illegal one that came from a friend but which I've also added on to. Bury a 1 1/2 or 2" galv pipe (with no pitch) to return water from BBQ case back to connections by house. Install a T ( just like the water supply for blowing out the water prior to the winter freeze). The outlet would then be connected to the 2" PVC before going into the sump pumps line. I would use a " Little Giant ", which is basically a sump pump kit that comes in a 5 gal bucket, which would be mounted under the outdoor sink. It would be vented with a AAD ( air admittance device) and also have a one way check valve on the outlet before going into the ground at the BBQ case. Anybody know of an additional strainer that can be put in line by a p-trap that would ensure that only gray water makes it past a line? This option only really works if an in-line strainer can be plumbed, which would force the p-trap to get clogged with solids (in case anybody forgets that solids are not allowed). Then again I could also put in a garbage disposal but I would have to remove it each winter or it would freeze. I'd rather just have a couple of lines to blow out each year.
Gas line - Is 1/2 black pipe the right diam when going 25' out from the house?
Also, it will be buried about 12" down. Is that enough for IL? Finally, how far up, above the finished surface, should it be capped off at? 8-12"? Was thinking of putting a gas shut off valve in the house, right outside the house where it connects to the buried pipe and then again where it resurfaces at the BBQ 3x8 case.
Electrical - I already have a sub panel outside for a hot tub, which has room for two more 15 or 20 amp circuits. I'm thinking of running 3/4 EMT from the hot tub sub-panel, burying it below the paver rock base (12" below ground) and then coming up at the BBQ case. I would then have another 3/4 EMT next to it (so both would attach with compression fittings to an above ground junction box under the 3x8 outdoor island (aka BBQ case). The 3/4 EMT would continue to a new light pillar, go buried again, come up another lighted pillar, and then go buried again and come up at an existing deck post (for use as a 3- way switch outlet location). I might even continue on from here for some future pergola lighting. Anyway, I would install a 20amp gfci circuit and use 12 gauge for everything and have everything grounded to the junction boxes. Anybody see any issues here? Oh, power needs at the BBQ case are just for a small under counter fridge and a couple of outlets, plus a couple of lights. I would use one 20 amp circuit just for the BBQ case and the other for all of the deck lighting and/or other outlets.
Outdoor sink - I'm thinking of an outdoor sink too. This would be used mostly to wash hands and as a built in "cooler" to fill with ice and beer/pop.
Water inlet - Instead of running a hose above ground to the sink 25' away, I was thinking of burying a 1' diam galvanized pipe and running it next to my electrical and gas line. At the back corner of my house is where the hot tub sub panel is, along with a water hose hookup, the future gas line, and a sewer hookup that the house comes out of with 2" PVC and hooks into (a green 4" drain). I was thinking of having the galv pipe come up about 12" and have it connect to a T. The T would get an air hose connection to allow me to blow out the water before each winter (think sprinkler system maintenance). The other end of the T would hook up to the water hose bib.
Water outlet - I have a lot of ideas here (some legal and some not) but I appreciate all of your thoughts here so don't hold back but think of how you would build and use it.
(Option 1) thought is to go from the sink to a p-trap and then to a 5 gal bucket under the sink.
(Option 2) is to continue #1 but instead have the pipe go underground to a buried 5 gal bucket.
(Option 3) This is the illegal one that came from a friend but which I've also added on to. Bury a 1 1/2 or 2" galv pipe (with no pitch) to return water from BBQ case back to connections by house. Install a T ( just like the water supply for blowing out the water prior to the winter freeze). The outlet would then be connected to the 2" PVC before going into the sump pumps line. I would use a " Little Giant ", which is basically a sump pump kit that comes in a 5 gal bucket, which would be mounted under the outdoor sink. It would be vented with a AAD ( air admittance device) and also have a one way check valve on the outlet before going into the ground at the BBQ case. Anybody know of an additional strainer that can be put in line by a p-trap that would ensure that only gray water makes it past a line? This option only really works if an in-line strainer can be plumbed, which would force the p-trap to get clogged with solids (in case anybody forgets that solids are not allowed). Then again I could also put in a garbage disposal but I would have to remove it each winter or it would freeze. I'd rather just have a couple of lines to blow out each year.
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