Pliers; How Many Is Too Many?

[JMP]

The plastic/rubber is missing in the grooves but used to grip the cut ends so as not to contaminate the area:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/what-is-it-and-what-is-it-for.533814/post-10714922

I'm amazed at such a quick response! At first I thought wire stripping but soon realized that wasn't the case.

 

[RTM]

I'm amazed at such a quick response! At first I thought wire stripping but soon realized that wasn't the case.

And this is why you have to read every post of every thread here, so you know this stuff. I don't know whatever I will do with that arcane bit of knowledge, but I have it.

Couple of weekends back I explained three or four tools to a retired mill right at his garage sale. He was appreciative. All but one of them were something I learned here.

 

[MisterEd]

A couple of Pliers with Klein Handles. The Duckbill is stamped “I.F.C.” and has a forged-in “Circle C”. The Long Nose is unmarked.

 

[MisterEd]

Tiny, Box Joint Needle Nose Plier

 

[MisterEd]

Hudson Forge Co. Parrots-Head Combination Plier

Alloy Artifacts says, “We added this entry as a place to display tools bearing the "Hudson Forge" marking, but have suspected for some time that the "Hudson Forge Co" was a brand rather than an actual tool company.

This suspicion was recently (2021) confirmed with the discovery of trademark #230,183, which displays the text "Hudson Forge Co" in a circular logo. The trademark was issued to the W.T. Grant Company in 1927.” http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p3.html

They add that this Parrot-Head’s Handle pattern “closely resembles the checkered pattern used by J.P. Danielson” A Parrot-Head identical to this one appears in their discussion.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

They add that this Parrot-Head’s Handle pattern “closely resembles the checkered pattern used by J.P. Danielson” A Parrot-Head identical to this one appears in their discussion.

I don't see any parrot-head pliers in the Hudson Forge section, but the thin nose slip joints in that section were definitely made by J.P. Danielson, as was your parrot-head. I posted a J.P. Danielson made and branded parrot-head way upthread, linked here.

Nice find. Rode hard and put away wet, but uncommon branding.

 

[Skyman]

Newest arrival. Teeth are in good condition. Soaking in ER overnight to banish what little rust is present.

 

[four.cycle]

Eagle Claw 7 inch pliers (patent 1016296 Feb 6 1912 Joseph A. Schlehr)

Mechanics / Mechanics Tool Co., Rockford, IL / "Eagle Claw" pliers bolt holder / patent 740553 Oct 6 1903 Napoleon Grandchamp and Joseph A. Schlehr & 1016296 Feb 6 1912 & 1075945 Oct 14 1913 & 1393399 Oct 11 1921 Joseph A. Schlehr / http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p2.html#eagle-claw / https://wrenchwiki.com/eagle-claw-wrench/ / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/eagle-claw-wrench-bolt-holder.383734/ / see Eagle Claw Wrench Co. /

 

[Skyman]

Very nice Eagle Claw.

 

[rustyedge1]

Picked up several interesting pliers today at auction, trying to ID and date these Craftsman lineman pliers..Looks like their marked AM41 on the diamond handles..Also we’re a nice pair of Diamalloy fencing pliers, neat little pair of Williams PL-5 and others..

 

[LesserSon]

I'm itching to get all caught up here so that I can post new 2024 finds that don't have a better place (e.g., by brand) in this thread. Below are some special pliers. Vintage fence (Crescent), trench (both Kraeuter), and combinations (Red Devil) in Pic 1, and glaziers' (Red Devil) and unknown (Vaughn & Bushnell) in Pic 2.

Thanks to Lugz for immediately clarifying my recent V&B flea mkt find and directing my attention to his previously-posted pair. Here is a cleaned-up shot of mine.

 

[LesserSon]

Picked up several interesting pliers today at auction, trying to ID and date these Craftsman lineman pliers..Looks like their marked AM41 on the diamond handles..Also we’re a nice pair of Diamalloy fencing pliers, neat little pair of Williams PL-5 and others..

Alloy Artifacts says Kraueter is the AM-date code manufacturer. AM-41 is likely 1941 production.
However, AA vaguely claims Kraeuter and Sears “developed” the nested-diamonds grip pattern, which was actually patented by Earl “Bill” Myers, of Forged Steel Products (and later Snap-on), the same year (1921) he patented the Vacuum-Grip suction cup pattern, and seemingly after he had left Kraeuter.

I conjecture that someone from Kraeuter, who probably knew Bill Myers from his Newark days (he and other FSP founders did work for Kraeuter), realized the 7-year (or was it 14-year?) patent monopoly had expired, and used it. Maybe he left forging dies behind when FSP moved to Newport.

 

[four.cycle]

cleaned up a bit:

Craftsman 10-in "Arc Joint" pliers
I don't see any production code on these - no idea who the OEM might have been.

 

[LesserSon]

Thoughts:
Champion DeArment seems like the obvious choice. They made other pliers for Craftsman (“C-circle” mfgr’s mark & sometimes a”0” forge
mark is visible). But they also pioneered (and continued to improve) the Channellock design. A careful comparison of the groove geometry could tell the specific patent, though if they do not have a patent notice, it might indicate production date after a new design was available in the Channellock brand. I think I recall a type study somewhere on GJ, not sure whose.
Overall, they look Channellock to me, though the plain hexnut doesn’t.

 

[Outlawmws]

I think I recall a type study somewhere on GJ, not sure whose.

LS, You might be thinking of the one I did on lineman's pliers and the jaw/cutter, tells.

 

[rustyedge1]

Picked up several interesting pliers today at auction, trying to ID and date these Craftsman lineman pliers..Looks like their marked AM41 on the diamond handles..Also we’re a nice pair of Diamalloy fencing pliers, neat little pair of Williams PL-5 and others..

Can’t find out anything on the Williams PL-5 pliers

 

[Private Lugnutz]

^ Made by Crescent.

 

[Oregon Dave]

"Inventory" here grew again today.



These two are stamped ARTISAN and WARDMASTER, and look to me as though they might be from the same factory:



Grips on the same two:



Two that are certainly Crescent Jamestown, one private labeled Fisher Supply Company:



Grips on the same two:



Small Barcalo Buffalos, seemingly of modest quality:



Unmarked, but has distinctive grips that should permit a more knowledgeable person to identify:



Grips:

Doesn't this grip pattern belong to Wilde; i.e. on the 318FP 8” Slip Joint Pliers?

 

[Skyman]

It would appear that Oregon Dave has solved the mystery. Thanks, Dave! Wilde is currently offering a flush-fastener pliers, model number 318F, with that exact grip pattern:

8″ Knurl Slip Joint Pliers, Flush Fastener 318F | Wilde Tool

wildetool.com

And I'll guess that if I were to remove the grips on these nice, Wilde pliers that I bought a year or so ago, I'd find the same pattern.

 

[d42jeep]

Left to right, Utica, Lakeside, Crescent, Herbrand. Top is Danielson.
-Don

 

[rustyedge1]

Customized Crescent 23 7 Duckbill pliers.
I found them in an old fishing tackle box years ago..
Last screen shot from AA search and for reference.

 

[rustyedge1]

More of my favorites from the old box. 356-10 Kraeuter, post war Craftsman double = = stamp, & Diamond Edge slip joint pliers with good working wire cutters..You can tell these were all very well made for work..

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Here are what I believe are both CeeTee pliers but from a different time period. The 8 inch are clearly marked but the 10 inch only have the number 166 stamped on them. Any thoughts?

 

[Outlawmws]

Probably made by Crescent for re-branding by someone else.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Probably made by Crescent for re-branding by someone else.

Good thought. I would have thought they would marked with some indication of brand. The 166 model seem much older.

 

[Skyman]

It does look like Crescent’s checker-dot pattern on the grips.

 

[KnurledNut]

I got behind and had to catch up on this thread. I didn't get to hit the like button on all the posts, but thanks to everyone for sharing their stuff and knowledge!

I’ll share a couple...

Any love for Belknap/Bluegrass?


And bent nose Proto’s I have been using a bunch lately. Really like these:


I shared these in a recent general discussion thread, Snap-on 17C that I modified to be end flush cutters:

 

[Oregon Dave]

Here are what I believe are both CeeTee pliers but from a different time period. The 8 inch are clearly marked but the 10 inch only have the number 166 stamped on them. Any thoughts?

Might be helpful to consider that ‘166’ may not be a model no.; pretty big numerals, pretty deep - big hammer, soft/hot metal, machine pressed (a closer look at the digit symmetry may reveal clues as to manual vs. machine placement/gang vs. individual stamps). 166 could be institution or user applied; big organization to have that many tool kits/boxes; military/government comes to mind.

The Checkerdot grip pattern belongs to Crescent Tool Co. and they used on their brand Cee-Tee. Crescent also contract produced pliers with that grip pattern: Bonney, Fairmount, Husky, Motor Kit (a Crescent brand), Williams are a few seen here; undoubtedly more.

The non-manufacture/brand/model related nomenclature on tools is an interesting subject on its own; the grips on the 10” are pretty worn, head of the pivot bolt has had a hard life. I, probably you also, would have had to use all manner of magnification, light sources, colors and angles to try a get a clue off the possibly worn-off top surface - but that’s me, rains a lot in Oregon - appreciate your post.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Might be helpful to consider that ‘166’ may not be a model no.; pretty big numerals, pretty deep - big hammer, soft/hot metal, machine pressed (a closer look at the digit symmetry may reveal clues as to manual vs. machine placement/gang vs. individual stamps). 166 could be institution or user applied; big organization to have that many tool kits/boxes; military/government comes to mind.

The Checkerdot grip pattern belongs to Crescent Tool Co. and they used on their brand Cee-Tee. Crescent also contract produced pliers with that grip pattern: Bonney, Fairmount, Husky, Motor Kit (a Crescent brand), Williams are a few seen here; undoubtedly more.

The non-manufacture/brand/model related nomenclature on tools is an interesting subject on its own; the grips on the 10” are pretty worn, head of the pivot bolt has had a hard life. I, probably you also, would have had to use all manner of magnification, light sources, colors and angles to try a get a clue off the possibly worn-off top surface - but that’s me, rains a lot in Oregon - appreciate your post.

There is another faint stamping 166 on the face. But you make some good points. Thanks.

 

[Outlawmws]

Made a good mistake at an estate sale yesterday: I thought these were unmarked no-name diagonals, at the sale, meant to leavr hem but they were in my hand still at check out, and for all 4 items at cents 50c each I took them home:





I didn't think to look inside the handles until I got home:



WIN!

They cleaned up nice and the jaws are in excellent shape!

 

[Skyman]

Made a good mistake at an estate sale yesterday: I thought these were unmarked no-name diagonals, at the sale, meant to leavr hem but they were in my hand still at check out, and for all 4 items at cents 50c each I took them home:





I didn't think to look inside the handles until I got home:



WIN!

They cleaned up nice and the jaws are in excellent shape!

That's a great score!

 

[Oregon Dave]

There is another faint stamping 166 on the face. But you make some good points. Thanks.

166 stamped on both sides; almost certainly user applied, suspect a public institution. Double rivet head on the pivot bolt = oldish and likely stamped Crescent Tool Co. when forged.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

166 stamped on both sides; almost certainly user applied, suspect a public institution. Double rivet head on the pivot bolt = oldish and likely stamped Crescent Tool Co. when forged.

I agree. I was not so sure whether they were Cresent.

 

[Skyman]

A new addition today. I'm not sure of the date of manufacture, but it is a very nice pliers. Its hinge action is smooth and free of wobble, and its jaw teeth are in good condition. I'm pleased to have it.

 

[Outlawmws]

I'm not sure of the date of manufacture,

1964.

 

[LesserSon]

Well, half of it, at least, was manufactured in 1963.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It was a long shift.

 

[Skyman]

Graveyard shift on NYE 1963?

Care to make me smarter (wouldn’t take much) about dates for these? I see a 4, and what I had thought is an E, but perhaps it’s a 3?

 

[Outlawmws]

There is a PDF table available for download with the SO number styles by decade; some numbers will get reversed, but they are stylistically different decade by decade.

 

[Skyman]

Thanks, Outlaw. Good to know. You guys are great.