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Unusual German pliers. They are marked "Reade Work", "Germany" and "PAT APLD FOR". There is also a "5" on both sides. Has the screwdriver and punch handle ends. The unusual feature is at the nose end. It has been angled down with a couple of small 1/8" posts sticking up that have a grooved gripping surface. Any ideas?

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Unusual German pliers. They are marked "Reade Work", "Germany" and "PAT APLD FOR". There is also a "5" on both sides. Has the screwdriver and punch handle ends. The unusual feature is at the nose end. It has been angled down with a couple of small 1/8" posts sticking up that have a grooved gripping surface. Any ideas?

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Possibly for removing/installing electrical cord strain reliefs? the plastic type that slots into a "D" hole?
 

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First round of cleaning from a recent lot. Found some interesting ones here. Especially one that is nearly impossible to show in a picture but one appears to be marked "Stevens" and a cool Fairmount marked one along with a few other knowns some marked but unfamiliar brands and some I can't quite make anything out
 

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I like the CTCo MoToRKit.
Is this the one that says “Stevens”?
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I don’t actually see anything, but could it be
STEVENS
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Especially one that is nearly impossible to show in a picture but one appears to be marked "Stevens"
Post photos of just that one, top, flip side, and handles. "Never say never," as Romeo Void reminded all of us of a certain age, but neither Stevens or Stevens-Walden were known for making pliers. (They did offer a pair of waterpumps in the early 30's with a pin spanner forged into one of the handles that I would sorely love to find in the wild one day, but it was decidedly a one-off. They just weren't known as a full service supplier, not even re-labeled.)
along with a few other knowns some marked but unfamiliar brands and some I can't quite make anything out
The pliers to the left of the MoToRKiT with the "312" stamp (PO, not a model number) are prewar J.P. Danielson. The pliers to the right of the MoToRKiT with the forged-in "12" die code and "DROP FORGED" marking are Vlchek. Both very common.
 

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First round of cleaning from a recent lot. Found some interesting ones here. Especially one that is nearly impossible to show in a picture but one appears to be marked "Stevens" and a cool Fairmount marked one along with a few other knowns some marked but unfamiliar brands and some I can't quite make anything out
There are obvious pliers like Cee Tee, McKaig Hatch and Bluebird. I’m not familiar with Electra Mfg Co to the left of the Utica pair. Here are several pliers with no manufacture’s marks except some Master Mechanics pliers which I plan to put in the giveaways. IMG_5062.jpeg
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I like the CTCo MoToRKit.
Is this the one that says “Stevens”?
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I don’t actually see anything
Post photos of just that one, top, flip side, and handles. "Never say never," as Romeo Void reminded all of us of a certain age, but neither Stevens or Stevens-Walden were known for making pliers. (They did offer a pair of waterpumps in the early 30's with a pin spanner forged into one of the handles that I would sorely love to find in the wild one day, but it was decidedly a one-off. They just weren't known as a full service supplier, not even re-labeled.)

The pliers to the left of the MoToRKiT with the "312" stamp (PO, not a model number) are prewar J.P. Danielson. The pliers to the right of the MoToRKiT with the forged-in "12" die code and "DROP FORGED" marking are Vlchek. Both very common.
I'll take some more pictures but I was thinking possibly Stevens since I have multiple tools from this catalog and they did have these 2 pliers here. The other set is marked 32T which I also thought was interesting since the tools in the Stevens catalog are T series but I haven't looked too much into them yet
 

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Small pair of pliers marked "Made in West Germany" at pivot, with "Drop Forged Steel" on insides of both handles. Has an interesting handle pattern.
 

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Picked up some more pliers at the flea market
Circle C Craftsman lineman pliers. These ones I just finished restoring them.
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A pair of Flohr hog ring pliers.
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Picked up two different styles Kraeuter pliers.
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Great finds. The bottom left look like my dynamite pliers with the spear to puncture the dyno for the fuse and it would have a crimper in the pliers.
 

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I'll take some more pictures but I was thinking possibly Stevens since I have multiple tools from this catalog and they did have these 2 pliers here. The other set is marked 32T which I also thought was interesting since the tools in the Stevens catalog are T series but I haven't looked too much into them yet
Yes more pics, and try Outlaw’s chalking suggestion.
I noticed what look like slipjoints (possibly hog ring), included in an uphostery kit in a Stevens Walden catalog. So they did market some pliers (even if they didn’t manufacture them), and possibly some were branded (though I haven’t seen any).
Another possibility is pliers included in gun maintenance kits from J Stevens.
 

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I was thinking possibly Stevens since I have multiple tools from this catalog and they did have these 2 pliers here.
Thinking is always good, and I will re-emphasize that I didn't dismiss the possibility, I only pointed out they weren't known for pliers, either as a mfgr or as a supplier, outside the odds and ends, one of which I pointed out, another that you pointed out, making the likelihood low and the positive identification insupportable without a definitive marking.
 

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Awesome. If I am coming off like a nabob of negativity, let me declare that I sure hope it can be legibly ID'ed! I'm just re-emphasizing that unlike many other cases where we have many known examples by known mfgrs with many known characteristics (profile, grip pattern, etc) that can be identified even without a legible marking, Stevens would not be the case.
 

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Four pliers/cutters marked H&S. I believe these are Hilger & Sons.

A quick search on Google found this:
"Hilger & Sons was an importer of cutlery and hardware in NYC, founded 1848. Eventually -- probably in the 1890s -- it merged with Wiebusch, to become Wiebusch & Hilger, one of the top 19th and early 20th century US importers of German, Bohemian, and English cutlery (there were dozens of wholesale importers, most located in the cutlery district of lower Manhattan, on or near Duane Street; other top firms included H. Boker & Co., Adolph Kastor & Bros, and Alfred Field & Co). After the 1891 US tariff increases, many of these importers acquired or built US knife factories of their own. Wiebusch & Hilger owned Challenge;.... Boker owned Valley Forge, which became Boker USA.".

First set is marked on top with H&S 14 and inside one handle Germany. The 14 may have been a date or address. I don't think it was a pattern number used by salesmen because of other tools marked the same way. The second set is marked with H&S 14 on inside of one handle, Germany on the other. Third set of end cutters is marked same as second set. Fourth set, end cutters is marked H&S on one handle, 30 on the other. It also has a box joint and looks older than the others.
 

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Still having trouble inserting pictures. Will try again later.
Lest you think it's something on your end, note that many of us are having the same issues, Eric. It's very frustrating. Inserting and attaching is fully functional on my phone, but not from my laptop. I have resorted to doing a screengrab and pasting it as a .png as a temporary stopgap.
 
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Lest you think it's something on your end, note that many of us are having the same issues, Eric. It's very frustrating. Inserting and attaching is fully functional on my phone, but not from my laptop. I have resorted to doing a screengrab and pasting it as a .png as a temporary stopgap.
There have been times I just waited and then tried later and it took the pictures it previously rejected. I tried using the Attach Files, the Insert Picture icon and even resized pictures with no success. I am patient and will try again.
 

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There have been times I just waited and then tried later and it took the pictures it previously rejected. I tried using the Attach Files, the Insert Picture icon and even resized pictures with no success. I am patient and will try again.

Ive been successful with this process - somehow its tied to the source when "pasting"...

So try this back door:
  1. Copy the needed pic into Word or Excel.
  2. From that source select the image and "copy" <ctrl> c
  3. Then in the posting window "Paste" <ctrl> v
 

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The 14 may have been a date or address.
Slight possibility is the pre zip code mail address area. Duane street is now in 10013, 10014 was Greenwich village, so maybe they were on the edge.

In some cities, they took the 2 digit number, and it became the end of the zip code when implemented
 

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When I saw these small dykes at this morning’s moving sale my wife suggested not buying them. They were rusty and almost totally frozen up. I figured that once I got the rust off I could determine the maker.
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I cleaned the rust off and soaked them in WD40 for a while. They eventually freed up and looked pretty good but I still don’t know who made them. IMG_5120.jpegIMG_5121.jpeg
-Don
 

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Hilger / Hilger & Sons, 19 Platt St., New York, NY / est. 1848 (as Hilger & Co.), renamed Hilger & Sons 1858, became Wiebusch & Hilger 1864 / "Hilger & Sons Celebrated" cutlery, tools / https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?t=62613 / https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/hilger_soehne.phtml / see also Hilger & Sohne, Remscheid, Germany /

I can't post images at the moment.
The pliers may or may not have Hilger's herald mark on them.
@Eric Brown -
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from other examples of Hilger items I found on the web, it looks like he only stamped that "tulip" herald mark on the pocketknives.
 

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Crimping pliers. No Markings. No cutter or serrated clamp surfaces. Handles plain. Four holes graduated from about 1/4" to 1/8" with an additional one inside the tips. My first guesses as to maker would be Utica, Crescent, maybe Ideal. Nicely made.

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When I saw these small dykes at this morning’s moving sale my wife suggested not buying them. They were rusty and almost totally frozen up. I figured that once I got the rust off I could determine the maker.
As foundIMG_9104.jpeg
I cleaned the rust off and soaked them in WD40 for a while. They eventually freed up and looked pretty good but I still don’t know who made them. IMG_5120.jpegIMG_5121.jpeg
-Don
They probably were laser engraved, and the rust and cleanup left it unreadable.
Those dikes have eight ears on the pivot. A quick look through similar-size pliers: Proto, Diamond and Snap-on had four ears on the pivot, Crescent and Channellock had six ears. Utica had four or eight ears.
I KNOW I have a small pair of telecom pliers with the same color vinyl grips, and I THINK they are Utica, but I’m not finding them at the moment.
I am encouraged in thinking Utica by these two 1977 catalog examples, with “light green cushion handles,” despite what look like four ears on each.
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Looking through this thread I just decided to pull out 'some' of the ones stored around and post them.

NEEDLE NOSE: 16 inch long NoName, Sheffield England NOName, Channellock 317, West Germany drop forged NoName, Snap On 60-C
FENCING: Crescent, Norvell Shapleigh Diamond Edge
LINEMANS & COMBINATION: Utica 1000, Vaughn Bushnell 7, Channellock, Klein, Crescent 1000-8
SIDE CUTTERS: Fullers England, Speed 103, Palmer 'for hard wire' Spain, John Berry & Son England, Diamond Horseshoe 555RG
SLIP JOINT Standard: Barcalo Buffalo, Crescent G28, Farmers Union USA, P&C USA brand, K-26 NoName, Award, Channellock S26, CH Mexico, H.D. Smith with offset nose
CUTTER/CRIMPER: Blue Point 29CP, Panduit CT200
OFFSET/GROOVE: Proto 241, Channellock 440, Drop Forged Spain NoName
HOSE CLAMP: KD 428, Proto 252
MISC: Eastwood tube bender, Brake Spring USA NoName, Deckers HillRinger Hog Ring, Flat Nose with 2 ******* Austria, USA Lock Wire twister NOName

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And a few closeups of one off or things I found interesting:
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Looking through this thread I just decided to pull out 'some' of the ones stored around and post them.

NEEDLE NOSE: 16 inch long NoName, Sheffield England NOName, Channellock 317, West Germany drop forged NoName, Snap On 60-C
FENCING: Crescent, Norvell Shapleigh Diamond Edge
LINEMANS & COMBINATION: Utica 1000, Vaughn Bushnell 7, Channellock, Klein, Crescent 1000-8
SIDE CUTTERS: Fullers England, Speed 103, Palmer 'for hard wire' Spain, John Berry & Son England, NoName Green handle
SLIP JOINT Standard: Barcalo Buffalo, Crescent G28, Farmers Union USA, P&C USA brand, K-26 NoName, Award, Channellock S26, CH Mexico, H.D. Smith with offset nose
CUTTER/CRIMPER: Blue Point 29CP, Panduit CT200
OFFSET/GROOVE: Proto 241, Channellock 440, Drop Forged Spain NoName
HOSE CLAMP: KD 428, Proto 252
MISC: Eastwood tube bender, Brake Spring USA NoName, Deckers HillRinger Hog Ring, Flat Nose with 2 ******* Austria, USA Lock Wire twister NOName

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And a few closeups of one off or things I found interesting:
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I’d like to see more individual pics (full image logo side up, grip pattern) on some of those!
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Still trying to identify Fulton tool makers I have this group of three. The cutters and needle nose are marked Fulton inside an oval. Both have Drop-Forged Germany inside handles. The pliers have Germany and Drop forged inside handles in separate areas. The pliers also are marked with a makers name, but I can only make out the first M and then at the end CO. All three share the same handle grip patter, a long rectangular area with round ends filled with a flat diamond pattern. Any ideas? So far all I have is maybe MENZ?

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They probably were laser engraved, and the rust and cleanup left it unreadable.
Agreed this became common for electronic tech pliers starting in the late 70's

These could also be Swiss or made in Japan starting during the 70's and 80s (good quality for the electronics industry)
Those dikes have eight ears on the pivot
I'd not noticed the different counts, I'll have to see what some of mine have that are still marked...
 

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@Eric Brown : I was using an identical pair of the middle pliers in your picture last night:

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No markings at all except for the DROP FORGED W. GERMANY inside the grips--and the same grip pattern.
 

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LESSER SON said: I’d like to see more individual pics (full image logo side up, grip pattern) on some of those!

He highlighted some and circled some in the photo.

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None of these have any grip pattern, the grips are bare except for the one with yellow plastic covers.

H.D. Smith Offset pliers, highlighted and circled
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John Berry and Son, highlighted
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Fuller's England, highlighted
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Sheffield England No Name, highlighted
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Snap On long nose, circled
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LESSER SON said: I’d like to see more individual pics (full image logo side up, grip pattern) on some of those! He highlighted some and circled some in the photo.

Part 2

Klein Lineman's, circledMklnmEM.JPG
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Vaughn Bushnell Lineman's. These are in really in poor condition, only pair I have ever found and they do workbusEM.JPGBusnmEM.JPG
 

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Wow - Thanks!
The HDSmith offset is interesting and seems practical enough there should be more like it.
Bummer none of the Sheffield pliers have grip pattern - I’m looking to identify the mfr of these embedded diamond & chevrons, of course. 1764591010660.png
I was curious about the long nose I circled, because I didn’t realize they were Snap-on; thanks for clarifying.
The SPEED cutter/nipper is also interestingly unusual; @Private Lugnutz and I had a discussion Feb19-20, 2022, on the GS thread and his Lugzonian thread, whether similar ones we had found should be considered diagonal cutters or angled end nippers. IMG_7856.jpeg(Preemptive apologies, if I misrepresent the discussion from memory.)
The Klein linemans I thought interesting for their similarity to a couple of martial US-marked Utica HD splicing linemans I have. (IDK what distinguishes a 1950S from a 3050.)
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And I think any Vaughan & Bushnell tool is interesting.
 
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H.D. Smith Offset pliers,
Please post a photo of the marking. Maybe it's just me, but your photos are very bright, and with the white background, almost snowblindingly bright.
The SPEED cutter/nipper is also interestingly unusual; @Private Lugnutz and I had a discussion a while ago on another thread, whether similar ones we had found should be considered diagonal cutters or angled end nippers. (Preemptive apologies, if I misrepresent the discussion from memory.)
No, that was the gist of it. I considered the debate resolved as far as I was concerned when I found them identified as dykes with raised cutters in a Pexto catalog.

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Yours were made in Germany, as I recall, and mine were made in France. I'm assuming @Debcrow 's SPEED model was made in England. I am not too familiar with that brand, but there's an entry in 4.c's A-Z Mfgrs List...
Speed / Speed Tools Ltd., London, England / "Speetog" locking pliers / patent GB 731736 Jun 15 1955 Edgar Dale Ball / see also Speetog; see also patent GB 576142 / https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Speed_Tools /
And from Grace's Guide:
Speed Tools Ltd. of 35 and 36 Percy Street, London, W1; 10-16 Rathbone St. Oxford St. London, W.1.

Finally, also from Grace's Guide, just because it's **** as all get out in shape, function, and name, that self-locking plier they called a Speedtog.
 
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