Plomb tool picture thread - show your stuff!

[davethorik]

Found this today for $2, I don't believe the handle is original.

 

[RagTopTA]

Found this today for $2, I don't believe the handle is original.

great find! buy a cheaper Proto hammer with the right handle and swap it over! I have been looking for plomb and P&C hammers a lot lately...

 

[davethorik]

great find! buy a cheaper Proto hammer with the right handle and swap it over! I have been looking for plomb and P&C hammers a lot lately...

From what little I read, this hammer is one of the reasons Plumb sued Plomb. That is interesting in it's own right.

I have too many hammer projects on the back-burner, and the handle on this looks nice, so I think I will have to let it go for now. It's a little loose so I will try to tighten it up though.

I have to buy a Proto handle for one of my other projects, a 1427 cross pein body hammer first. From what I read, only repops are available, unless I can somehow locate a nos that isn't astronomically priced. The body hammer handles are different and smaller than the standard size.

I had to pass on a baby P&C ball pein today I posted about in the P&C thread, but I redeemed myself with this lol. From same seller I got Pexto 10" winged dividers in good useable shape also for $2.

 

[Smokeshow69]

great find! buy a cheaper Proto hammer with the right handle and swap it over! I have been looking for plomb and P&C hammers a lot lately...

You can get spot on hammer handles from a company called dagger tools! They sell octagonal hammer handles that are the same size as plomb body hammer handles! I just bought 4 of them and will be putting one in a picking hammer head! I will post some pictures when I do it next to an original I have so you can see how close they are in appearance !


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[davethorik]

You can get spot on hammer handles from a company called dagger tools! They sell octagonal hammer handles that are the same size as plomb body hammer handles! I just bought 4 of them and will be putting one in a picking hammer head! I will post some pictures when I do it next to an original I have so you can see how close they are in appearance !


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Yes thank you I couldn't think of the name of the place. That hammer is last on my back burner list lol but I need handles for all 3, others are an Atha and a Pexto.

 

[RagTopTA]

cool I'll have to check them out I got a $4 Paschall BPH head in other day needs a handle.

 

[Smokeshow69]

cool I'll have to check them out I got a $4 Paschall BPH head in other day needs a handle.

Yes, you **** for that score !


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[RubiconJK]

Here is a recent addition to my Plomb plier collection. This pair of #236 parrot head pliers almost has a gun bluing type finish to them. Not sure if that will come through in the pictures. I haven't had time to clean these up any and it really won't take much other than just to remove a bit of grime. All the other Plomb pliers I have are much more worn and none of the rest have had this blue finish. Does anyone know if this was standard on Plomb pliers? Thanks.

 

[RagTopTA]

Here is a recent addition to my Plomb plier collection. This pair of #236 parrot head pliers almost has a gun bluing type finish to them. Not sure if that will come through in the pictures. I haven't had time to clean these up any and it really won't take much other than just to remove a bit of grime. All the other Plomb pliers I have are much more worn and none of the rest have had this blue finish. Does anyone know if this was standard on Plomb pliers? Thanks.

Mine are 238 but they didnt come with that finish.

 

[notlob]

Interesting. I have a number of Plomb pliers, several in good shape, and, IIRC, none show any evidence of a blued finish.

 

[RagTopTA]

Yes, you **** for that score !


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i keep an eye out for anything Paschall Plomb or P&C hammer related : )
no one bid on it!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

This pair of #236 parrot head pliers almost has a gun bluing type finish to them...[ ]...Does anyone know if this was standard on Plomb pliers?

Yes. All the pliers are shown with what is explicitly called a "gun-metal" finish in Catalog 19-R FOURTH PRINTING, which I date to no earlier than November 1946. The pliers in Catalog 19-R REPRINT, which I date to no earlier than February 1944, and no later than October 1946, do no have this finish.

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[notlob]

You can get spot on hammer handles from a company called dagger tools! They sell octagonal hammer handles that are the same size as plomb body hammer handles! I just bought 4 of them and will be putting one in a picking hammer head! I will post some pictures when I do it next to an original I have so you can see how close they are in appearance !


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I can't seem to locate the hammer handles on Dagger Tools' website. (?)

Here's a suitable handle on ebay, but it's overpriced by at least 100%:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Body-Hammer-Handle-13in-Octagon-13-32in-x-13-16in-Eye-Fits-Proto-Plomb-P-C/323135537590?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D50527%26meid%3D886e3829c1be47baa71e6dc8f2b9f12f%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D222797813529%26itm%3D323135537590&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850

 

[d42jeep]

Here are some of my Plomb/Proto/P&C estate sale recent finds.The small Phillips driver is Proto, the speeder is a Proto LA grindoff and the ignition wrench is P&C. In the next picture the top driver is Plomb, the plastic handle Plomb has sadly been converted to an awl and the bottom slotted driver is Proto.
-Don

 

[RubiconJK]

Yes. All the pliers are shown with what is explicitly called a "gun-metal" finish in Catalog 19-R FOURTH PRINTING, which I date to no earlier than November 1946. The pliers in Catalog 19-R REPRINT, which I date to no earlier than February 1944, and no later than October 1946, do no have this finish.

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Thanks Lugz. So it appears that the later pliers did indeed have the gun metal finish. This is the only pair I have seen like this.

 

[Smokeshow69]

I can't seem to locate the hammer handles on Dagger Tools' website. (?)

Here's a suitable handle on ebay, but it's overpriced by at least 100%:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Body-...m=323135537590&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850

Call them and ask them... When I called them, their stock was very low and it was not listed on the site. They where very helpful and sold/ shipped them in the phone! The guy told me I bought the last 4 they had in stock so hopefully they have since bought more .


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[bmwrd0]

Call them and ask them... When I called them, their stock was very low and it was not listed on the site. They where very helpful and sold/ shipped them in the phone! The guy told me I bought the last 4 they had in stock so hopefully they have since bought more .


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Picked up a couple a few years ago at a swap meet for about $3 each. Still haven't used them, but got 'em when I need them!

 

[bmwrd0]

So, some people were asking about this, so here it is:


No model number, and I don't know if there is an official name. The woman I bought it from says she has one that she uses to pull dandelions with. Nice that it is still used I guess. paid $10, talked her down from $11 (final day of an antique show.) If you need more pics or have questions, let me know.

 

[Ole Slewfoot]

Pretty sure Plomb called it a 'ball weeder'
1931 Times of San Mateo CA if someone has a newspapers.com account
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/51670851/

 

[twertsy]

Pretty sure Plomb called it a 'ball weeder'
1931 Times of San Mateo CA if someone has a newspapers.com account
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/51670851/

Unfortunately, no pic in that newspaper ............

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Mine are 238 but they didnt come with that finish.

Yours were made in 1946. It's not very often that we can be that precise dating any tool, especially Plomb, but in this case, it works out. If they were "MADE" with that finish, it could be any time before 1945, and if they had the "gun-metal" finish, they could only have been made in 1947 and perhaps 1948, before the move to PROTO markings.

Interesting. I have a number of Plomb pliers, several in good shape, and, IIRC, none show any evidence of a blued finish.

Probably all pre-1947.

 

[d42jeep]

I took a look at my Plomb longnoses and the handles are pretty dark. I had never really paid attention to it before.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

It does, and especially compared to the pivot area and nose. That looks like it could be a 1947-48 "gun metal" finish tool to me.

 

[RubiconJK]

I took a look at my Plomb longnoses and the handles are pretty dark. I had never really paid attention to it before.
-Don

Yep, I think yours are blued. As good as they look now, can you imagine how they must have looked new?! I wound up getting the Ballistol out of my gun cleaning kit to clean mine this morning.

 

[RagTopTA]

Yours were made in 1946. It's not very often that we can be that precise dating any tool, especially Plomb, but in this case, it works out. If they were "MADE" with that finish, it could be any time before 1945, and if they had the "gun-metal" finish, they could only have been made in 1947 and perhaps 1948, before the move to PROTO markings.


Probably all pre-1947.

cool to know, thanks, Lugs, I need to look at all my pliers... Got some Pebble needle nose coming fri or sat : )

 

[RagTopTA]

This came today. My first Plomb 4" adjustable. pretty nice!

 

[d42jeep]

That looks like my 8" one except less rusty. Probably the last year (1947) of Plomb marking and the Danielson broached hole.
-Don

 

[RagTopTA]

I like the adjustable... I need a 12" = now! got 4,6, 8, and 10

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Probably the last year (1947) of Plomb marking and the Danielson broached hole.

Just as a reminder, Don, I have a February 1948 Plombaloy, shown about ten pages ago when we were at the tail end of a little deep dive on the subject of when the dual-marked Plomb (forged-in)/Proto (stamped) tools were actually made, and when they were actually introduced. I haven't seen a Plomb only marked adjustable newer than that.

 

[davethorik]

This came today. My first Plomb 4" adjustable. pretty nice!

Very nice! I've only ever found an 8" in the wild.

 

[d42jeep]

10 pages ago? I can barely remember what was posted on the previous page. How about probably the last full year of Plomb marking? The change must have taken place sometime in '48. Here is a dual marked drag link bit that I picked up for my own amusement.
-Don

 

[RubiconJK]

I like the adjustable... I need a 12" = now! got 4,6, 8, and 10

Nice! I saw a 12" Plomb on Ebay, but it is HIGH!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

10 pages ago? I can barely remember what was posted on the previous page.

You and me both, but in this case I was one of the ringleaders. I wasn't correcting you, so much as catching you up in case you missed it.

How about probably the last full year of Plomb marking? The change must have taken place sometime in '48.

That's debatable, and the precise subject of the discussion I am referring to.

Summary: TIME magazine and Duke University articles seem to indicate, independently, that the switch to the dual Plomb-Proto marking, an ill-conceived olive branch solution, took place in January 1949, Plumb was not assuaged, filed another suit, and Plomb was given until March 1950 to fix it. And advertising seems to confirm that. AA and other sources say it happened in 1948, but AA's rationale is fuzzy/faulty (relying on a TM date, which is not necessarily a first use date), there is not much evidence to support that, and because the dual markings include forged-in Plomb markings and stamped Proto markings, it's not a sure thing that they were all stamped when the tools were forged. It's a largely esoteric topic. But precisely the kind of unresolved issue that will occupy the minds of collectors who have more tools than answers.

 

[RagTopTA]

looking through the Plomb facebook group yesterday at some of the older pics, someone had a Plomb toolbox that was dual marked! Only one I have ever seen. anyone have one of those?

 

[Smokeshow69]

looking through the Plomb facebook group yesterday at some of the older pics, someone had a Plomb toolbox that was dual marked! Only one I have ever seen. anyone have one of those?

You mean like this ?

I think this is one of old man Taylor's? I think I snagged this picture off this thread about a year ago ? Not mine although I wish it was though ! Don't think I have ever seen a dual mark stamped box but I have seen a few dual mark painted or stickered boxes !


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[RagTopTA]

You mean like this ?

I think this is one of old man Taylor's? I think I snagged this picture off this thread about a year ago ? Not mine although I wish it was though ! Don't think I have ever seen a dual mark stamped box but I have seen a few dual mark painted or stickered boxes !


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Think that's it! How awesome is that!!! Wonder if there are any dual marked ToolMobiles : }

 

[Smokeshow69]

Think that's it! How awesome is that!!! Wonder if there are any dual marked ToolMobiles : }

Hopefully he sees this post and posts a few pictures! I think that logo is on the side of a transitional tool mobile but I am not certain!


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[oldmantaylor]

The logo pictured is on one of my 5295 tool boxes.

 

[RagTopTA]

Got these in today form the fleabay. Now have two pebble handled pliers!

 

[Oregon rock crusher]

Those are cool RagTop. Love the name knurls. I was looking at the catalogs awhile ago and noticed the name knurl handles were originally cast like your 226 with just V PLOMB V cast in. The last catalog images seems to show it as V PLOMB V USA. Anyone ever see a set with the USA after PLOMB? I think the pics will get big enough to show the handle detail. Ed.