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Whether on ebay or at a live auction, anyone talking up an item you plan on bidding on is bad news.
On this we certainly agree. On the switch, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Who knows? Maybe the guy who had the high bid when the seller ended the auction was the same guy who made the high offer. For fairness's sake one can only hope. This is one of the reasons why I prefer the wild!
 
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The last one I saw was a BIN for about $275.
Good to know, Ed. Last I saw was the $1,984 BIN/OBO. I figured the $275 was an offer on that. I still think it rips the original high bidder off - and you'd never see that allowed in a public auction unless the reserve wasn't met - but I will let it go now. Machts nichts to me. I wasn't a bidder.
 

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Pretty screwy situation. Bet they received a ton of messages by the way it sounds, and apparently someone likely told them exactly what it was, or pointed them here.

Not to bog down the Plomb thread (pun intended), but a few years back i ran into a very unusual item for auction on the bay. It had no branding or part number, and the seller had no idea what exactly they were selling.

I was antsy, and foolishly asked the seller to consider an offer. They countered with a much higher number than I was willing to pay. Where it got strange was, in the next couple days, some spoiler must have told them exactly what the item was, what brand and everything. I never could wrap my mind around how they found out. Well, as it turned out, they ended up sitting on the item for a long,long time! I won it a LONG time later when they had reduced it over and over, the greedy bums. Think I paid right about what I offered that time too.
 

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Did mean to upset anyone by posting it here during the auction. Figured I would give everyone a fair chance at it. I was top bidder before the auction cancelled and posted it on here.
Still cool to see it posted. I never informed the seller of the item. But if I did a quick Google search of the part number after I seen an obscene amount of money I could put 2 and 2 together.

My bad guys.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
 

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I have a pre-war round handle, and I am searching for one other. And you are right, they are not common.
Thanks BMW. Good to know at least it does exist!

I'm confused. It was an auction that ran up to several hundred dollars. Then it was gone. Then it came back up as a BIN/OBO for $1,984. Then it sold for $275, which had to be an offer. Whether he got emails telling him what he had was rare, and spelled Plomb, not Plumb, etc, or not, during the auction, the high bids told him everything he needed to know: his reserve was way too low for the value of the item! Whether he got offers or not during the auction is irrelevant; it was too late, because, again, it's my understanding you can't end an auction once you have bidders - and he definitely had bidders. Rags was one of them, Rubicon another. He screwed all those bidders when he ended the auction and re-listed it as a BIN. Still not sure how he managed to do that with bids. But I think he ended up selling it for close to if not less than the high bid when it was an auction. So, unless the guy who got it for the $275 offer he accepted is the same guy who had the high bid when it was an auction, that high bidder got screwed.
I think I was the first bidder, but didn't bid again after it went higher than my max. I really think the seller must have been watching our thread, because the changes in listing happened after we started talking about it. I even deleted my postings about it afterwards thinking they might try to cut and paste info regarding its rarity. Lesson learned.
 

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You guys can beat yourselves up if you want, but as I already showed, this thread didn't make the price go up. It went up to $119 with 16 bids in 1 hour. (I originally floated the idea those bid may have been self-rigged, but that makes no sense; if he didn't know what it was, he would've had no motivation or inclination to do that.) This thread may have let the seller know what it was, but he didn't need our thread to know it was A LOT more valuable than the generic 1/2-to-3/4 adaptor he originally thought it was.
 

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Not really new, just finding a bunch of them in my mess tonight. I also dug out a generic roll to put them in. I still need the 13/16, 11/16 and the 5/8 and 7/16 are pretty roached out, but I will get there.
 

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8 breaker bars
6 ratchets
1 or 2 pickle forks
12 pyroxylin handle screwdrivers that have a pebble panel
At least 2 puller frames.

That is all I can think of.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,

There's gotta be more, I know I'm not the only one with the directional cutters.
 

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Here are some quick pics of the 5468
Sorry, I just realized you were asking about a 5467

Yep, I have the other round handle hinge handles, but just have never seen the 5467 even though they are shown in the catalog. If anyone has one to show, please let me know. The search continues! BTW, nice flare wrench set!
 

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Yep, I have the other round handle hinge handles, but just have never seen the 5467 even though they are shown in the catalog. If anyone has one to show, please let me know. The search continues! BTW, nice flare wrench set!

When you find one, make sure that it comes with the pin handle!
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Has anyone ever seen in person a round handle 5467 1/2" drive hinge handle? It is listed in catalog 18A and I've been looking for a long time, but have never seen one for sale in person or online. Every 5467 I've ever seen has been the later pebble design.
I have a pre-war round handle, and I am searching for one other. And you are right, they are not common.
Yep, I have the other round handle hinge handles, but just have never seen the 5467 even though they are shown in the catalog.
When you find one, make sure that it comes with the pin handle!
There is a very good reason why a round-handled 5467 (especially with natural steel finish) is so rare, and it's the same reason why a round-handled 5466 (especially with natural steel finish) is so rare: Plomb, like all other mfgrs, was restricted by War Production Board (WPB) Limitation Order L-216, which went into effect on May 29, 1943, into making ONLY ONE LENGTH of 1/2-drive hinged handle from that day forward until WPB L-216 was revoked in late 1944. By that time, Plomb had already introduced the Pebble design.

The RH 5466 (9-1/2") and 5467 (15") were still listed in Plomb catalog #19, which was published before May 29, 1943 (no WPB L-216 restrictions in it).

They were also listed in Plomb catalog #19-A, which was published after #19, and after WPB L-216 went into effect, but Plomb chose to re-use the same pages as #19 and deal with the WPB L-216 restrictions in the Price List in the back instead, omitting items restricted by WPB L-216, and explaining that in a footnote on the first page of the PL.

In Plomb catalog #19-R, published NET 2/1944 through NLT 10/1946, during the WPB L-216 restrictions period, Plomb switched their methodologies, scratching things out with redlines and 'DISCONTINUED' notices in the text of the catalog itself. Note that on page 32, two of the three optional torque wrenches are still discontinued, but the 5466 and 5467 hinged handles - which are now Pebbled - are no longer discontinued. Note that on page 33, the optional (to 5480) speed handles 5469 and 5482 are discontinued, and only the 5480 (18") speeder is available. This implies that WPB L-216 was still in effect, but amended, allowing for optional hinged handles, which is consistent with other amendments we have found, where the WPB relaxed the restrictions little by little as the end of the war approached and victory was projected.

So, in summary, if you're looking for a round-handled 5466 or 5467, they are more than likely going to be chromed and pre-war. If you find one without chrome, it had to be made in 1942 or very early 1943 only.

Pic 1 is an excerpt from the pertinent section of L-216. Producers could only make one hinged handle, 15" or 18". Their choice. Plomb chose 18" (5468).

Pic 2 is an excerpt from the PL in catalog #19-A dated January 1944. Even though the 5466 and 5467 were listed in the catalog, they were not listed in the PL, and they were not available for purchase, because they were not being made.

Pic 3 is page 32, catalog #19-R, showing two of the torque wrenches still discontinued due to WPB L-216, but all hinged handles (now Pebbled) available.

Pic 4, just for more context, is page 33, catalog #19-R, showing two of the three speed wrench options still discontinued due to WPB L-216, only the 5480 18" speeder available.
 

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There is a very good reason why a round-handled 5467 (especially with natural steel finish) is so rare, and it's the same reason why a round-handled 5466 (especially with natural steel finish) is so rare: Plomb, like all other mfgrs, was restricted by WPB L-216, which went into effect on May 29, 1943, into making ONLY ONE LENGTH of 1/2-drive hinged handle from that day forward until WPB L-216 was revoked in late 1944. By that time, Plomb had already introduced the Pebble design.

The RH 5466 (9-1/2") and 5467 (15") were still listed in Plomb catalog #19, which was published before May 29, 1943 (no WPB L-216 restrictions in it).

They were also listed in Plomb catalog #19-A, which was published after #19, and after WPB L-216 went into effect, but Plomb chose to re-use the same pages as #19 and deal with the WPB L-216 restrictions in the Price List in the back instead, omitting items restricted by WPB L-216, and explaining that in a footnote on the first page of the PL.

In Plomb catalog #19-R, published NET 2/1944 through NLT 10/1946, during the WPB L-216 restrictions period, Plomb switched their methodologies, scratching things out with redlines and 'DISCONTINUED' notices in the text of the catalog itself. Note that on page 32, two of the three optional torque wrenches are still discontinued, but the 5466 and 5467 hinged handles - which are now Pebbled - are no longer discontinued. Note that on page 33, the optional (to 5480) speed handles 5469 and 5482 are discontinued, and only the 5480 (18") speeder is available. This implies that WPB L-216 was still in effect, but amended, allowing for optional hinged handles, which is consistent with other amendments we have found, where the WPB relaxed the restrictions little by little as the end of the war approached and victory was projected.

So, in summary, if you're looking for a round-handled 5466 or 5467, they are more than likely going to be chromed and pre-war. If you find one without chrome, it had to be made in 1942 or very early 1943 only.
As always, thanks Lugz! I had never heard about the war time length restriction. Does make sense.
 

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I have a P&C version of that 5467, I know I have 2 Plvmb 9467's and one is a pebble for sure; I'm looking for the other one... (Inventory is NOT to that level of detail)
 

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As always, thanks Lugz! I had never heard about the war time length restriction. Does make sense.
Same principle was applied to the different size speeders and even to sockets. Redundant service openings in multiple drive sizes were restricted. All to save steel. What's neat is you can see it reflected precisely in other wartime catalogs, such as Williams and SK.
 

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Here are pebble 5467s with both finishes. The first pair I sold off a long time ago. The second pair I still have. I have a chrome and dark round handle 5468 as well.
-Don
 

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Here are my estate sale finds this morning. I thought I was done with Proto LA so I’ve found at least one at all of the recent sales. The combo wrench is from 1937.
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Here are some heavy duty double box end wrenches 10XX series.IMG_20190302_085850632.jpegIMG_20190302_085853845.jpeg

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
 

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I didn't take any pictures of the 5466, and the part is in one of the sets I have that are buried in my garage. When I get to that area I will pull it out and take a picture. I did not record what type of finish it has.
 

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No urgency, Jim. Just curious for the informal record we have going. Roy has a round-handled 5467 that is chrome-plated, so we don't yet have any known examples of a round-handled 5466 or 5477 that was made in 1942. It's early yet. Tin Medic, MR. X, and stormking have not yet checked in on the matter.
 

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Here are some pics of my 5466 and 5468 round handles. Looks like my 5466 was probably chrome plated at one time. 5466 was marked along the shaft and 5468 around the handle.
 

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HAHA. Thanks!

If that's chrome-plating residue, it's either the worst case of inferior and thin plating, or, if it was once thick and shiny, the worst case of wear I have ever seen. I would suspect cadmium and wartime on that. I could be wrong. I'll be curious to see what others think.
 

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You guys will likely know better than me, but it is the shiniest CAD remnant I've ever seen. I can't seem to get a pic in the light exactly to show the shiny flakes all that well, but perhaps I will get the honor of posting the first tool pool side glamor shots ever here on GJ! Also tried one shot against a dark background.
 

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