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streetglider

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I purchased a BelAire 60-gallon compressor that needed a 240V circuit. I generally don't fool with electricity and the thought of fooling with a 240V circuit convinced me to hire an electrician. The way he wired it up to the plug always concerned me a bit. The wire on both ends is very loose and the 3-prong plug covered with black tape continues to disconnect from the receptacle. I would like to put together a better plug and wire. Any suggestions? Can I do it myself or is there somewhere I should take it to have it professionally made. I am more mechanically inclined and can follow most repair manual instructions. Here are some pics of it.
 

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yikes :shocking:

is your electrician's company name Hacked Electricity, LLC? :Violent:

you should ask for a refund. that is definitely poor quality :headshake

that plug is made to be used with cordage NOT liquid tite conduit

what is the HP rating on the motor?

will need that info to size the cordage...

If the HP is more than about 3, it will need to be hardwired to a disco, unless panel is in sight of and not more than 50' from compressor
 
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So your "electrician" is a hack. That entire needs to be ripped out back to the pressure switch.

Go buy some 3 wire SO or SJ cordage at the box store. Post a pic of the motor nameplate to determine cord wire gauge. It will either need to be #14 or #12.

Then you can make up a cord re-using the plug and wire back into the pressure switch.
 
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It looks like the compressor has a 5 HP rating. The panel is directly behind the compressor. The compressor and electricity to my shed are the only things on it. I use the electricity in the shed for a light and occasionally to charge an ATV battery.
 

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Yes, it's real and, yes, I paid him. He assured me it was fine and, as I have admitted, I didn't have the necessary knowledge to dispute his assurances. In the past, relying on a professional has worked for me more often than not.
 

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So your "electrician" is a hack. That entire flexible conduit needs to be ripped out back to the pressure switch.

Go buy some 3 wire SO or SJ cordage at the box store. Post a pic of the motor nameplate to determine cord wire gauge. It will either need to be #14 or #12.

Then you can make up a cord re-using the plug and wire back into the pressure switch.
Above edited based upon subsequent nameplate info provided.

Based upon motor nameplate info, this should be wired with #10s. Be it with 10-3 SO or SJ cord or #10 thhn in flexible conduit. What size conductors are in the wall and CB size in panel?

The plug and recept is not rated for 5hp and should be eliminated.

If the panel supplying this compressor is within sight (and less than 50') then a local disconnect is not needed and conductors can be spliced in the outlet box needing a cover plate with 3/4" KO to attach cord or flex conduit. A local disconnect could be a more convenient way to effectively make these splices using the line and load lugs of the disco.
 

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Even the largest regular NEMA receptacle is only rated 3.5 HP (NEMA 14-60). It has the liquidtight flex for a reason. It should be hardwired or a pin and sleeve receptacle and plug (Prohibitively expensive) should be used.
Your electrician is a hack
 
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Yes, it's real and, yes, I paid him. He assured me it was fine and, as I have admitted, I didn't have the necessary knowledge to dispute his assurances. In the past, relying on a professional has worked for me more often than not.
Man, that really *****.

Getting money back, or getting that clown to do it right, are likely not happening, although one of them should.
 
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I will repeat it again. I DON'T FOOL WITH ELECTRICITY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT. I know I look like a fool and that I am possibly trolling the people on here that have helped me in the past, which I wouldn't do. I paid a professional electrician to wire it in for me and this is what he gave me. It didn't look right to me, so I wanted to see what I needed to do to make it right. It is apparently not just a new wire I can make.

It seems I will need to call another electrician to do this right. If someone can tell me what it is exactly that I need so it doesn't happen again, I would appreciate it. I will move the compressor far enough from the panel that the door opens completely. I am going to put a picture of the receptacle on here in case I need that replaced as well. Thanks
 

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".... It didn't look right to me, so I wanted to see what I needed to do to make it right. It is apparently not just a new wire I can make.... "
I know all the GJ sharks smell blood, but the OP's up front about needing advise, how about letting up with the snark and help him a little.
 

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If someone can tell me what it is exactly that I need so it doesn't happen again, I would appreciate it. I will move the compressor far enough from the panel that the door opens completely.

you will need to run #10 THWN in conduit or #8 NM-b to a j-box near the compressor. then using the same LT conduit or FMC, run #10 thru it to the pressure switch.

The existing wire inside the LT may already be #10 so check first.

yes you will ditch the plug and recept.

the panel needs to have 3' clearance in front, 6' overhead, and 31" side to side but that does not need to be centered. can be from one side to the other
 

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Thanks for the replies. I am looking at the information to try and educate myself a little on all this. It's very helpful and I will know a bit more now when I talk to the next electrician.

This is all coming from someone who also started out having to teach themselves, and has now successfully worked on a ton of stuff, including all the way up to a detached building subpanel. If I am wrong, one of the sparkies will surely step in and correct specific details.

Anything that I am unsure of is in italics, if the sparkies could check my work

I am going to run through the red flags, as I see them, so hopefully you can educate yourself moving forward (either with another electrician or your own work).

First, as was stated, the door to the panel needs to be accessible. It currently looks like the compressor is in front of it. If the compressor is far enough away (no line of sight (and/or?) 50ft away, it needs a way to disconnect it from power. Within those limits, the breaker serves that function. You should not use the breaker as a "power switch" when the motor is running (longer term damage may occur). Turning off the breaker when the motor is not spinning is not an issue. Some pressure switches have an On/Off on the side, can't tell if yours does. If you choose to want a disconnect on the wall, that is perfectly fine (exceeds the minimum requirement).



The motor on the compressor says 5HP, which is beyond the limit of what general NEMA plugs are rated for (IIRC, 3HP?). So while it could carry the amperage, disconnecting the plug while the motor is running would be "bad news", and hence why they are not rated for that (ratings are sometimes based on red-neck/hillbilly "Hold my Beer and Watch" scenarios). So the plug on the end and the wall receptacle are bad. They make 5HP rated plugs, but they are very costly for the average homeowner, so most don't bother (pin/sleeve connector). They are rated to not be "bad news" if some employee accidentally unplugs when the motor is running. Sidestepping the specifics of "bad news" for brevity here.



The flex conduit around the wires is an acceptable way to shield them for protection, but it was not rated to dangle like that at the end going into a plug. A competent person could use the receptacle box and have the tubing run to the front and connect the end safely that way, using a different cover plate. The conduit must end at a box on either side, and be secured against pulling out of the box.

The wiring is based on the electrical load (amps) along with dealing with any drop in voltage due to distance (none in this case). Wylie supplied the correct numbers for you (#10 THHN/THWN or #8 NM/B (can NM-B be in flex conduit?) from the compressor front box to the wall box. Then make sure the same is connected from that wall box to the panel. It does not have to be continuous (no reason to be), but any connections must be inside a box, not inside the conduit portion.

The panel should have a minimum of 30A (Sparkies, check me here) breaker for the compressor.

The joke about a larger panel was partially because most people on GJ find themselves needing more circuits, but also because the panels can sometimes be fitted (WRONGLY) with breakers that allow for too many circuits, or the wrong brand of breaker used. Make sure that the breaker matches the rest and the name of the panel (there are some cross-compatibilities, check here if unsure).

The rest of the joking was not at you specifically, but rather a "laugh or cry" kind of mentality, when faced with "paid experts" that screw stuff up so badly. Along with the part where people invariably then want to go 300% bigger than they need, just in case.

Hopefully, this helps lay it out step by step.
 
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