kevin47
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Is this possible...? I have a Toyota 5R forklift that runs ( but points look like hell ) but I can't find a condenser anywhere...How could that be...?Thanks, Kevin
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Point type distributor w/ no condenser...?
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Big-Foot
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If the points are only used as a trigger for some sort of capacitive discharge or other electronic ignition system, you won't need to have a condensor.
Alta_Racer
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Possible it also has an ignitor? If it does, there will be very little current across the points.
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Bigfoot beat me to it.
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Bigfoot beat me to it.
nehog
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I have to wonder if it even has points!
madjack
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Magneto ignition uses the points as a trigger only
Charles (in GA)
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Magneto ignition uses the points as a trigger only
Every magneto system I've ever seen (lawnmower and similar, and aircraft magnetos) all have condensers.
Charles
It should have a condenser, possibly not installed at last tune-up.
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jsaw
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The condenser prevents arcing at the points, and prevents them from becoming pitted and burnt
chris142
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The Toyota trucks used points to trigger the electronic ignition in the mid 70's and had no condenser. The points were just a low curant switch.
Shadowdog500
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The condenser prevents arcing at the points, and prevents them from becoming pitted and burnt
+1! An engine will run with just points. Early horseless carrages were built that way.
The condenser was only added to keep the points from burning out too quickly.
This video discusses this.
JasonMcElroy
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Yes, an engine with points/dwell style ignition will run without the condenser, but it will run poorly.
The condenser does more than just protect the points from burning up, it also prevents run on contact (arcing) when the points start to open. This causes the ignition event to be late. It also happens at less predictable times.
To run without the condenser, you'd have to change the timing a bit to account for this.
Don't believe me? Disconnect the condenser while it's running and listen to it stumble. Better still, put a timing light on it and watch the line dance around with increased timing variance.
As for the original question, I think it's been answered. The points are either acting as a low voltage switching device with no condenser required, the condenser is mounted somewhere other than near the points and it hasn't been located yet, or it was left out at the last service.
Jason
The condenser does more than just protect the points from burning up, it also prevents run on contact (arcing) when the points start to open. This causes the ignition event to be late. It also happens at less predictable times.
To run without the condenser, you'd have to change the timing a bit to account for this.
Don't believe me? Disconnect the condenser while it's running and listen to it stumble. Better still, put a timing light on it and watch the line dance around with increased timing variance.
As for the original question, I think it's been answered. The points are either acting as a low voltage switching device with no condenser required, the condenser is mounted somewhere other than near the points and it hasn't been located yet, or it was left out at the last service.
Jason