Pole barn resto mod

[zman]

So I closed the beginning of September and moved in to a '63 Ranch with 6 1/2 acres and a couple pole barns. It has two garages on the house and stuff will go in there for now. Still have the shop for right now but I'll be bringing everything home as soon as I can...

The front of the house...

The rear...

The first pole barn to get the business...

Starting off with a new roof right off, gonna leave it a pole barn, then a slab and some new sides, then electric and doors and all kinds of stuff..

Just figured I'd start this so I have a place to put updates...

I did spend about 4 hours moving out some old hardwood yesterday and basically making access to get the roof off and the new one on... came across a couple 4 ft. black snakes (Elaphe obsoleta) or rat snakes... I relocated them into another wood pile for now, but they'll keep the rodents and copperheads away so I want them to stay around.

 

[Mavawreck]

Awesome, looks like a great project. Where abouts in Raleigh are you?

 

[zman]

Awesome, looks like a great project. Where abouts in Raleigh are you?

This is not in Raleigh proper, in Wake County right outside Garner, near the old Garner downtown... a lot more bang for the buck. I really wanted to get back into Raleigh but couldn't even just get the house in town. But I'm about 15 minutes to downtown straight down Garner Rd.

 

[richtersrodz]

Cool place.. I'd totally try to save that and make it work.. Has tons of character.

 

[zman]

Cool place.. I'd totally try to save that and make it work.. Has tons of character.

The structure itself, creosote poles, is in great shape, it's just everything else has seen better days. Saving it is the plan for sure, keeps the zoning guys away. Bummer is another 3 1/2 acres and I could have declared myself a farm and not needed anything permit wise for outbuildings....

 

[Mavawreck]

This is not in Raleigh proper, in Wake County right outside Garner, near the old Garner downtown... a lot more bang for the buck. I really wanted to get back into Raleigh but couldn't even just get the house in town. But I'm about 15 minutes to downtown straight down Garner Rd.

I'm familiar, I used to work off of Jones Sausage rd. I think Garner will rise in value quicker than the rest of the market will get back on its feet because the prices out there were not as inflated prior to the bust and it is still really close to downtown. We've thought about moving out that way but will more likely seek out North Durham/Hillsborough due to family proximity.

 

[larry_g]

I like what you have to start with. A few things to check before you start. Make sure that your poles are not sinking in the ground causing the bend in the roof. I would also make sure that the poles are in the ground far enough to prevent pull out or tip. Check that the poles have no rot above or below the ground level. Poles have a life of ~25 years so thay may be nearing end of life.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[zman]

I like what you have to start with. A few things to check before you start. Make sure that your poles are not sinking in the ground causing the bend in the roof. I would also make sure that the poles are in the ground far enough to prevent pull out or tip. Check that the poles have no rot above or below the ground level. Poles have a life of ~25 years so thay may be nearing end of life.

I've looked at the poles and they look to be good to go, they don't seem to have sunk. On the inside you can see all the sag in the wood going across the poles. But I do have a buddy who is a contractor that is coming by to help me plan it out. First order of business is to remove the roof to make the home owners insurance happy.

 

[RUMBLON]

Looks like a lot of good old barn wood too. Out west they sell that to folks for good $. We need more pics, whats the size and I guess your climate is moderate, no snow or snything?

RUMBLON

 

[zman]

Looks like a lot of good old barn wood too. Out west they sell that to folks for good $. We need more pics, whats the size and I guess your climate is moderate, no snow or snything?

Not only is there "barn wood" and a lot of it. But a bunch of rough cut hardwoods. The original owner was a wood worker and had a stash.

The barn is roughly 25x36, climate is relatively mild, well compared with where I'm from in the mountains of PA. We might get a dusting of snow a couple times a year, and any kind of accumulation maybe once every couple.

 

[Bull]

Oooh, hey now. I like the sounds and looks of this project. I'll be watching!

 

[Skyline]

Poles have a life of ~25 years so thay may be nearing end of life.

If that's true....I'd say this barn has had it. It's got to be more than 25 years old from the looks of it. Still a treasure trove of reclaimable old lumber that will add huge character to a new structure. I guess that's why I never liked the idea of pole barns. Seems to me, a slab with a foundation...with NO lumber in contact with the ground make much more sense.

I'd take it apart piece by piece...pour a slab with foundation, and build a new barn on top of the slab using as much of the old material as possible.

 

[zman]

It was built in the 70's. And well maintained until the original owner passed about 6 or 7 years ago. And you guys can "blah blah blah" all you want, it's getting a new roof, a slab, and then new sides and doors. I didn't start this because I didn't know what I was going to do. I'm not going to deal with all the zoning and ****. It's an existing structure, it's just getting repaired in their eyes.

 

[Skyline]

Well good luck. Wait to see what your contractor friend says. Perhaps it's just deceiving in the photos, but it sure looks like the top boards right under the roof are curving down. Assuming they were straight when the barn was erected, doesn't that mean the posts have sunk?

And with 6-1/2 acres, you should be able to build pretty much whatever you want; zoning should not be too much of a problem.

 

[kpc655]

awesome. i love a garage in the basement too.

 

[zman]

awesome. i love a garage in the basement too.

Thanks.. It's great to have decent parking that is not in the shop space.

So for now I have my '57 Buick in the one on the right, and it has an automatic door opener. The other one has a bunch of yard stuff and my Moto Guzzi V11 Sport. And it'll soon house the '60 International as well.

But I still have a bunch of other stuff I need shelter for. I'm doing a carport out front for my daily and the girlfriends car. Gonna re-roof a pole shelter to park some stuff under. But ultimately my '38 Buick and '22 Buick need to go in this pole barn along with my tools. And I still need to figure out something for my lift when I close down the shop...

 

[Mavawreck]

I've seen that Buick around town quite a bit, glad to see it belongs to a GJ member.

 

[zman]

I've seen that Buick around town quite a bit, glad to see it belongs to a GJ member.

It was my daily for a few years, trying to finally get a chance to finish it up, mostly just interior left... well and I bent the rearend mount... again.

 

[Mavawreck]

It was my daily for a few years, trying to finally get a chance to finish it up, mostly just interior left... well and I bent the rearend mount... again.

Did you used to work out of that custom shop on Dawson by the HD dealership? I'm pretty sure I've admired it a few times parked in front of Cup-A-Joe.

 

[richtersrodz]

Hey.. been there.. done that.. I bought a 1930 house, with a garage that wouldn't fit
anything more than a VW bug. It was also leaning to one side. The real estate agent
says.. "Sure you can tear it down and rebuild another one.." I buy the house, and then
find out from code, that I can not.. I tore it down, and totally had to build a new garage,
facing out the other direction on my property, and cut in a new driveway, that took out
over 1/2 of my back yard. So my prized 96 Impala SS, that had been garage kept all of
its life, sat outside for almost 9 years, because I couldn't build my dream garage.. So I
know the trials.. not to mention, I had to get pre-authorization through a historical
district committee, with full drawings of what it was to look like.. What a PITA..

Not everyone knows everyone's rules of course.. They are just chiming in, and making
conversation..

 

[larry_g]

You're right I don't havet o reply to everyone, and it's your choice tp follwo this or not. But if you're going to make a statement, maybe, just maybe, you should have a clue about what you are talking about. Yeah the pics about the sagging are a little deceiving. But the zoning comment was irritating. I have already dealt with them and I know what I can and cannot build on my property. I cannot build whatever I want. Just a slight listing of what I would have to do to even start...

Plans approved
Zoning Verified
PIN Verified
Owner Verified
Setbacks Verified
Easements Verified
Total area less than 144 square feet or Less than half of primary structure Buffers Verified
Floodplain Verified

And then you start with the inspection process. That really puts the possibility of having anything useable anytime soon into the "not likely" zone.

I understand your zoning thing and the ignorance of others. Just because one owns an acrage you do not get a free pass to build whatever you want. I look at zman's list of permits and think "damn he doesn't have to have a driveway inspection?" I read some of the HOA threads and think that so what, many cities and counties have some of the same rules. In our state if you have EFU (farming) zoned land to get a building permit you have to show a minimum income from the land. It once was $80K per year. Can't easily do that on a small acrage so it keeps the farm land in production and prevents the sprawl of houses.

My earlier comment on checking the poles stems from watching the neighbors hay shed sink into the ground to the point of the second story hay loft setting on the ground. I also had a friend that wanted to bulldoze his house an replace it, no said the city. So he basically did an addition to his old front wall. So I understand the rebuilding of an existing building. Me I only live here, in this spot, because there was an existing mobil home here before me and I just replaced it. I would not have been able to build new because the farm already two other houses on it and this one is not farm related. Lots of things in the world that may not apply to you in your little piece of the world but do to others.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[BuickFarmer]

Love the 60's style ranch, love the old pole barns, but most of all love the fitty seben Buik.

If those are old creasote treated poles originally planted in good North Carolina red Cecil clay or sandy loam and have been under cover at that for all these years, they probably have another good 50 years left in them. I wouldn't worry about poles sinking in dry clay either. I see lots of salvageable goodies that would look great incorporated into your new "old" building. Go for it, and keep us "posted".

 

[zman]

Did you used to work out of that custom shop on Dawson by the HD dealership? I'm pretty sure I've admired it a few times parked in front of Cup-A-Joe.

Yeah that's my shop, Rod-O-Rama, I moved down off of Lake Wheeler Rd. almost 2 years ago. And I'm at Cup of Joe every Sat. and Sun. morning...

I look at zman's list of permits and think "damn he doesn't have to have a driveway inspection?"

I understand the rebuilding of an existing building.

I better check on the driveway.

And yep, the "rebuilding" is so much easier and quicker at this point. Cheaper too...

 

[Mavawreck]

Yeah that's my shop, Rod-O-Rama, I moved down off of Lake Wheeler Rd. almost 2 years ago. And I'm at Cup of Joe every Sat. and Sun. morning... .

We used to live in that neighborhood behind Cup of Joe for awhile and I was there every free minute, now we live over off of King Charles and don't make it by as much but I miss it. If I ever see the Buick I'll introduce myself. Typically driving the Volvo - the only one with a rag top anyone has ever seen or the Wagoneer.

 

[Woffski]

What part of Raleigh, NC?

 

[zman]

We used to live in that neighborhood behind Cup of Joe for awhile and I was there every free minute, now we live over off of King Charles and don't make it by as much but I miss it. If I ever see the Buick I'll introduce myself.

The coffee is not great but after 20 years I'm kind of used to it... But if you see the Buick please do introduce yourself.

What part of Raleigh, NC?

This is not in Raleigh proper, in Wake County right outside Garner, near the old Garner downtown... a lot more bang for the buck. I really wanted to get back into Raleigh but couldn't even just get the house in town. But I'm about 15 minutes to downtown straight down Garner Rd.

 

[zman]

And I spent an hour this afternoon figuring out what exactly we were going to do. My buddy came by and we went over everything. The roof is coming off and we'll start on the new one in about 2 weeks. I'm out of town next week so I have this week to try and salvage the metal off of it and take the roof down. Probably most of it is going to happen Sat.

The main "joists" for lack of a better word will be bolted through the top of the center poles and most likely will be 2x10. The we'll use galvanized hangers, 2x6 or 2x8, sheeting, roof underlayment, and hopefully topped with the metal roof again. After the roof is done we'll prepare the forms and base to pour the slab.

 

[fergus]

Subscribed. This is my kind of thread... '60s ranch houses, old iron, derelict barns and what not. Hows 'bout a pic of that Binder?

 

[zman]

Subscribed. This is my kind of thread... '60s ranch houses, old iron, derelict barns and what not. Hows 'bout a pic of that Binder?

It's a little farther along than this pic, but still bare metal in preperation for paint.

But like most everything I own it has a Buick Nailhead in it...

 

[fergus]

I approve. It is worthy of this gif.

 

[Amitygravel]

Wow !
I'm anxious to follow this remodel.
Then you throw in a cool IH.
You're gonna have to keep us updated on that too !


Craig

 

[tinbender 66]

This should be a great thread. Personally, I would much rather bring an old barn back from the dead than build a new one. I didn't have an old barn though.

Love the Buick and that nailhead in the IH is awesome!

 

[lowbucktruck]

Save a barn, ride a cornbinder?
Congrats on your new home and property. Heck, that pole barn is totally salvageable, its not even leaning that much... where I'm from, an old barn has to be leaning at least 15 degrees before its considered too far gone!

Love that International truck!

 

[Mavawreck]

Awesome IH, one of the best looking models in my opinion. My brother had a '67 for a bit which I really liked, would love to find a older 4x4 IH stepside.

 

[zman]

These are the guys I found in the wood pile.

but I didn't get anything done today, to much rain...

 

[richtersrodz]

You don't have many friends do you...

 

[bluesman2a]

Like the place.
Like the rides.
You're obviously a talented guy with some toys we can all appreciate.
But you need to lighten up a bit there, Francis.
Realize that most folks around here actually have a positive intent, despite what you may or may not read into their responses.

Good luck with your project. Welcome to the board.

 

[zman]

Good luck with your project. Welcome to the board.

thanks after 5 years I finally get a welcome..

 

[bluesman2a]

thanks after 5 years I finally get a welcome..

What can I say, I have a long and complex to-do list... Sometimes it takes me a while to work around to stuff. Hell my wife swears there's stuff I'll NEVER get done.

 

[Bull]

The project is great. The banter in here is a little bit caustic. Is this necessary?