Power to Bendpack HD9ST Help

[Pucman1]

So I have a lift woohoo but the power since it is a 110 volt motor is 15.7 amp! The outlet that is closet to it was a 15 amp circuit! Not comfortable with that being the draw for running the lift!
I have a 20 amp circuit but need a cord to connect form the outlet to the plug for the motor(standard 110 plug). I went Home Depot to try and find something to make it work and they had bladed plugs rated for 20 amp but they are bladed opposite of the appliance cord I found. I am confused at how to get this connected from the plug to the outlet without a **** load of connectors and cables. Anybody with some knowledge here jump right in....
Trying to do this myself without paying for an electrician!

 

[aircommuter]

Do you have a picture ? Are you taking about the large blade and small blade are different?

 

[sberry]

You can use a common 15A end and recept on this 20A circuit.

 

[mm08822]

Bendpak website specs this series lift at 220vac.

Can you provide a pic of motor nameplate and supplied cord end?

 

[mm08822]

Bendpak also wants a separate circuit and 25A cb for 220 vac single phase units.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

So I have a lift woohoo but the power since it is a 110 volt motor is 15.7 amp! The outlet that is closet to it was a 15 amp circuit! Not comfortable with that being the draw for running the lift!
I have a 20 amp circuit but need a cord to connect form the outlet to the plug for the motor(standard 110 plug). I went Home Depot to try and find something to make it work and they had bladed plugs rated for 20 amp but they are bladed opposite of the appliance cord I found. I am confused at how to get this connected from the plug to the outlet without a **** load of connectors and cables. Anybody with some knowledge here jump right in....
Trying to do this myself without paying for an electrician!

did u buy it new or used?

There is no such thing as a "standard 110 plug" (nominal utility power is 120v and u can get different amp plugs and outlets). So i agree with above. Post a pic of nameplate and plug.

It does sound like u have a 240v plug...

Now with that being said, what is the size of breaker feeding the circuit u want to use? If 20a then u could change the 15a outlet to a 20a.

 

[ard]

Bendpak website specs this series lift at 220vac.

Can you provide a pic of motor nameplate and supplied cord end?

Ditto.

OP, how is this a 115V motor?

 

[Pucman1]

Sorry about the confusion this unit is via a separation from a friend and it had to go! I will take pictures this evening! It was ordered from Bendpack with a 110 motor so more to follow tonight

 

[pattenp]

Make up the cord. Use 12/3 SJEOOW cord and a Hubble 5-15P plug and 5-15R socket. Actually 14/3 cord will be enough if it's not a long cord.

 

[Pucman1]

Want to go with an angled plug up against the wall and use a cord cover across the floor then connect to the plug shown, the tag shows the motor information.

 

[ard]

Try:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HE8PCO/?tag=atomicindus08-20

12Ga, angled plug...9 feet...there are other lengths as well...

Edit. Sorry, that is a 20A plug. I was looking for 12G

Try this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NY3R5SA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[mm08822]

Ok, so you do have a 115vac motor and is draws 11.2a at 60hz - not 15.7a. So this must be a non-standard motor offered from Bend-Pak based upon their current website info. This is good for you.

So that motor loading is good for a 15a circuit if it doesn't have too high of an inrush and combined with whatever else is running on the same circuit. I would start with the 15a circuit as you show pic of and worst case you need to move to the 20a circuit you previously mentioned.

As for extension cords, not sure where your difficulty is. Buy a 14-3 cord with 5-15 cap and plug (15amp, 120vac, 2 pole, 3 wire) and your should be good to go. Length may be your only challenge - too short, too long.

If you can't find a cord with a right angle plug, make a cord up yourself or cut a pre-fabbed one to length and put a 90 degree plug on the cut end.

 

[sberry]

They make 14 cord with 15 end for appliances. There is nothing wrong with the 12 but it isn't needed and may hurt with inrush. This should definitely be on a 20A circuit. Its a pretty big motor to start on 15. The 12 cord is for air conditioners which may run continuous and the end its to prevent it from being plugged in to 15

 

[Al G]

Ok, so you do have a 115vac motor and is draws 11.2a at 60hz - not 15.7a. So this must be a non-standard motor offered from Bend-Pak based upon their current website info. This is good for you.

Bendpak has always had a 110/120 option. They just don't put it on the webpage. I ordered a 110 version about 6 years ago. When I ordered another lift last month they asked if I wanted 110 or 220.

 

[mm08822]

Bendpak has always had a 110/120 option. They just don't put it on the webpage. I ordered a 110 version about 6 years ago. When I ordered another lift last month they asked if I wanted 110 or 220.

Maybe it is their way to try and persuade people away from the high current 110v motors that have little headroom on the 15/20a ckts. A 220v motor is 5.5a so there is a lot of headroom on a 15a/220v circuit.

This method of steering purchasers away from a problem before it becomes one is typical. Nobody wants to discuss any problem when they are selling their product-all is perfect!

 

[Want2race]

Pretty sure it's 15 amps to start up and then 10amps on run. I have a similar motor and mine is connected to a standard 15a outlet and haven't had an issue. Sometimes I lower the lift and tap the start button and release the lowering lever to minimize the start up amps.

 

[sberry]

I bet it hits 60 or more amps to start.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Want to go with an angled plug up against the wall and use a cord cover across the floor then connect to the plug shown, the tag shows the motor information.

It looks to me like the hot blade is the polarized(wider) blade which is backwards since the neutral is the blade which should be polarized.

Is that the issue you are having?

 

[Pucman1]

No my issue is with finding a 20 amp rated cord to connect from the outlet(which is 20amp rated) and connecting to the current plug for the motor. it is a standard 110 plug. I can find a lot of 15 amp rated cords but nothing 20 amp rated.
I guess I may have to go to an electrical supply house and make my own just specify what I am trying to do.

It looks to me like the hot blade is the polarized(wider) blade which is backwards since the neutral is the blade which should be polarized.

Is that the issue you are having?

 

[sberry]

@ This is what we are trying to say but it must not be clear. You do not need a 20A cord or ends. The 15 is fine, it does need to be on a circuit with a 20A breaker.
In many cases a 20 end is used to keep the user from plugging it in to General circuits where a trip may cause other problems or the circuit is being shared with other equipment.

 

[sberry]

You don't want the cleaning lady to plug the vac in to the computer circuits or with the lab equipment. Not all of it really needs 20, or it has motor with hi start, needs a 20A to keep it from trips. On occasion like some large air cond it actually may have a run current above 15, the plug keeps it restricted to a circuit intended for it.
The cord ends and recept are not really any different electrically or any "better", it's simply for the end user to restrict access to certain circuits. Most 15 outlets in the world are on 20A breakers and 12 wire. They pass 20A. 15A gfci outlets have 20A feed thru.
Common 49 cent outlets pass 20A.

 

[pattenp]

This is all you need... unless 15' isn't long enough. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Morris-Pro..._clickID=a35a0665-b944-4206-b0dd-0cb6270ed362

 

[American Locomotive]

No my issue is with finding a 20 amp rated cord to connect from the outlet(which is 20amp rated) and connecting to the current plug for the motor. it is a standard 110 plug. I can find a lot of 15 amp rated cords but nothing 20 amp rated.
I guess I may have to go to an electrical supply house and make my own just specify what I am trying to do.

20 amp 120v outlets look like the below picture. For whatever reason, your outlets are the standard NEMA 5-15 style, which generally are not rated for 20 amps. You may have the wrong outlets installed.

Anyways, your motor is only rated for 11.2 amps on 60 Hz AC power. A 15 amp circuit is just fine. I've never had an issue with 1hp motors on 15 amp circuits.

 

[sberry]

He doesn't have the wrong g outlets. Go back and read a couple posts in this thread. I know you are a smart guy, probably way sharper than I am but your understanding of circuit design is rudimentary.

 

[sberry]

The reason for the 20A end is to restrict the location that it can be plugged to. You can put 15 and 20 on the same circuit, just says its ok to plug 20 here and that it has 20A breaker, the outlet also accepts 15's.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

No my issue is with finding a 20 amp rated cord to connect from the outlet(which is 20amp rated) and connecting to the current plug for the motor. it is a standard 110 plug. I can find a lot of 15 amp rated cords but nothing 20 amp rated.
I guess I may have to go to an electrical supply house and make my own just specify what I am trying to do.

Well Im even more confused.

The pic of the outlet u posted(which is now gone) was a 15a.

Even if it was 20a rated, u could still use a 15a cord on it unless its not a T-slot.

 

[Pucman1]

Dunno about pics...everything I posted is still showing up. I have the right circuit and rated outlet is correct. I guess I just need to build a cord for the connection between the two is all. Friday I am hitting the supply house to get it finished up.

Well Im even more confused.

The pic of the outlet u posted(which is now gone) was a 15a.

Even if it was 20a rated, u could still use a 15a cord on it unless its not a T-slot.

 

[sberry]

Do you actually read anything here? Just curious?

 

[American Locomotive]

He doesn't have the wrong g outlets. Go back and read a couple posts in this thread. I know you are a smart guy, probably way sharper than I am but your understanding of circuit design is rudimentary.

The picture he posted was of a set of NEMA 5-15R outlets. There's a reason why they're called 5-15. They're normally only on 15 amp circuits. I have seen some NEMA 5-15R receptacles rated for 20 amps, but the vast majority of 20 amp outlets are the NEMA 5-20R "t-slot" outlets.

Just because those particular outlets are on a 20 amp breaker, doesn't mean they're necessarily the correct outlets. If he had NEMA 5-20R outlets, like this, the 20 amp plug he went to buy at the store would have worked just fine.

 

[sberry]

It would work just fine anyway.

 

[sberry]

Here is the thing. There are a dozen masters I can think of in a minute on this forum, several of them probably don't like me. There are a couple maybe more on part of this thread and not one of them takes a shot and says I am full of ****. But we get an amateur that is obvious from this and other threads that doesn't have a clue about most aspects of simple circuit design, real rudimentary first year stuff for a general apprentice and he has an argument about why it isn't right? Why is this?

 

[American Locomotive]

I really have no idea what you're talking about. He has NEMA 5-15 outlets on a 20 amp circuit. Many NEMA 5-15 plugs and receptacles are only rated for 15 amps and only legally can be installed on 15 amp circuits. There may be NEMA 5-15 sockets that ARE rated for 20 amps, but not all.

He went to the store to find a 20 amp plug for his setup, but realized it wouldn't fit his receptacles. That's because he has standard NEMA 5-15 outlets, instead of the t-slot NEMA 5-20 outlets that can take both NEMA 5-15 and 5-20 plugs. 20 amp circuits should have NEMA 5-20 t-slot outlets installed, if for anything, just to prevent situations like this from occurring.

This really isn't a hard concept to understand, so I don't get what your problem is. You might want to open a Hubbell catalog - their 15 and 20 amp outlet offerings are two distinct products, with their 20 amp outlets all being the NEMA 5-20 t-slot type.

But none of it matters anyways, since his lift doesn't need a 20 amp circuit, and has a regular NEMA 5-15 plug on it that will fit right in the outlet.

 

[sberry]

receptacles are only rated for 15 amps and only legally can be installed on 15 amp circuits.

You may be right and I may be wrong but show me where this is written?

 

[sberry]

Millions of them installed legally on 20A, millions of 3 way adapters with 12 cord 15 plugs and multiple outlets must legally be able to pass 20A load thru.

 

[American Locomotive]

You may be right and I may be wrong but show me where this is written?

NEC 210.20 D
NEC 210.21 B
NEC 406.4 A

210.21 B does allow for 15 amp receptacles on 20 amp circuits IF there are two or more receptacles on the circuit - HOWEVER - the maximum current you're allowed to draw through that outlet is only 12 amps.

If that 20 amp circuit only has a single receptacle, it has to be a 20-amp rated receptacle.

 

[sberry]

here is a legal 4 way with no additional protection. Legal to plug in to a 20A circuit. If it had a 14 cord like a common power strip it would have a 15A breaker on it. BTW, a duplex is not a single outlet.

 

[sberry]

What does 406 say? If we read farther it says in 210.21 B 3 it says 15 or 20 on a 20. 210 21 simply describes the allowable connected load, not the allowed recept. It goes further down the way to describe utilization equipment in the 80% rule.
The connected load is limited by the design, this hoist comes with a 15 end but this load (12A) is allowed to be connected to this circuit thru a 15 recept on a 20A circuit.

 

[sberry]

My ability to explain this leaves a lot to be desired. I bought new microwave, 15 end, 14.8 rating. I am not sure how they come to that but they do. Its a listed product. Power strips, 15 breakers.

 

[pattenp]

I guess I just need to build a cord for the connection between the two is all. Friday I am hitting the supply house to get it finished up.

Is the cord I referenced in post #22 too short? It's going to cost you more to make up a cord than to buy a premade one.

 

[sberry]

I got a bud has one for 25 years with 25 ft of 16 cord he hooked to it when he put the thing in.
As I recall a 140 mig comes 14 cord, 15 end and rated output is at 23 in. Large chop saws, mine will draw near 40 at peak, trips 20 on starts.