Personally, if there is a leak, I want to know about it by the time I buckle my belt after flushing, not years later when the flooring collapses.Even without code requirement, I think it's a good idea. I do leave about a 1" gap front and rear in case there is a leak. You don't want that trapped underneath.
Even without code requirement, I think it's a good idea. I do leave about a 1" gap front and rear in case there is a leak. You don't want that trapped underneath.
Personally, if there is a leak, I want to know about it by the time I buckle my belt after flushing, not years later when the flooring collapses.




Nice job on the railing transformation!Finished welding and installing new gates for the front porch and back deck at the summer place. Previous owner just had all new redwood deck railings installed, with hundreds of 2x2 pickets. We wanted to go with a more contemporary look (my bride calls it "mountain industrial" so the pickets had to go... (Including 100' of matching fencing on the dog run... More on that later)
I don't have the garage space (or the motivation) at this new place to spend the summer welding up railing sections like I did the last two summers, so I elected to go with pre-powder coated "Wild Hog" railing panels from Agent Orange, using the existing deck rail framing.
The panels and frame sections are a little pricey, but almost competitive with welded sections that get sent off to powder coating.
Had to build (4) gates, two each for the front porch and back deck.
Also built the hinge hardware to hang them, the standard 5/8" diameter gate hardware is too bulky for these small gates, IMO. Used 3/8" x 4" lag bolts, 3/8" x 2-1/2" carriage bolts, some 1/2" round bar, and 3/8" S40 steel pipe. Bit of welding and a bit of grinding ...and some more grinding...
I built the gate frames entirely out of steel sections and tubing I had left over or lying around from the deck panels last summer, the patio furniture , '32 frame, etc..., the 4"x4" wire panel drops were pieced together for the infill. Only out of pocket cost was the powder coating.
Front gates installed, rear ones still need a bit of adjustment and a receiver for the cane bolt. Should get that done tomorrow.
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I will start working on on the '32 again when we go back to the Valley of the Sun for the winter. Between the house move and projects up here I elected not to bring it up this summer. The new garage setup isn't really conducive to a hot rod project, either.I Really like that upgrade….always seems you are thinking out of the box and not the status quo.
Speaking of that when does the car get some love ?




Oh, sorry......I have just been informed that we will be changing the interior railings on the loft area to match...![]()

No good deed goes unpunished.I have just been informed that we will be changing the interior railings on the loft area to match...![]()
Is it done yet???I have just been informed that we will be changing the interior railings on the loft area to match...![]()
Clearly I have. And a lovely little fireball she is too.Clearly, you have met my wife.![]()
Looks great, Bart.
I am currently researching the best way to update the dark-stained log posts in the loft to match the interior millwork..Clearly I have. And a lovely little fireball she is too.
Don’t feel bad bud. My entire life seems to be everyone around me has months to come up with idea or just flat out f things into the ground. Then it gets thrown into my lap and I’m allowed 5 minutes to come up with some resolve.![]()

Well its a damn good thing that place was move in ready and you didn't need to touch it. This should be easyI am currently researching the best way to update the dark-stained log posts in the loft to match the interior millwork..
Alder to match the cabinetry and doors or natural pine to match the ceiling?
Lock miter wraps, solid posts or??
Hmm... this might take some time...![]()

Riiiiiigggghhhttt...Well its a damn good thing that place was move in ready and you didn't need to touch it. This should be easy![]()
And he’s not even counting yet!Riiiiiigggghhhttt...
Closed in June, so far we have...
1. Expanded the parking area and driveway, moved boulders, spread 5 trailer loads of gravel
2. Changed the water heater to tankless
3. Changed toilets to comfort hight
4. Added a powder bath
5, Re-did 100+ feet of deck railings
6. Built a new 16 x 24 dog run
7. Tore down the old 100' long dog run, removed 12 4x4 posts set in concrete.
8. Built a 4'x11' wooden fenced enclosure with a gate for the trash can and extension ladders
9. Re-worked all the irrigation lines.
10. Had 6 big fixed-pane windows replaced.
11. Framed and drywalled a new closet in the laundry room
12. Added sliding bifold doors to that closet.
13. Designed, built, and installed 4 welded steel gates with custom hardware.
14. In between all of the above, I am trying to consolidate my 3.5+ car garage and shop at the old house into the new 2-car garage. Gave away a lot of stationary power tools, built roller stands for others, built in and/or downsized my benches,
Yeah, I'm tired.
And the summer ain't over yet...
What have you done in your spare time?Riiiiiigggghhhttt...
Closed in June, so far we have...
1. Expanded the parking area and driveway, moved boulders, spread 5 trailer loads of gravel
2. Changed the water heater to tankless
3. Changed toilets to comfort hight
4. Added a powder bath
5, Re-did 100+ feet of deck railings
6. Built a new 16 x 24 dog run
7. Tore down the old 100' long dog run, removed 12 4x4 posts set in concrete.
8. Built a 4'x11' wooden fenced enclosure with a gate for the trash can and extension ladders
9. Re-worked all the irrigation lines.
10. Had 6 big fixed-pane windows replaced.
11. Framed and drywalled a new closet in the laundry room
12. Added sliding bifold doors to that closet.
13. Designed, built, and installed 4 welded steel gates with custom hardware.
14. In between all of the above, I am trying to consolidate my 3.5+ car garage and shop at the old house into the new 2-car garage. Gave away a lot of stationary power tools, built roller stands for others, built in and/or downsized my benches,
Yeah, I'm tired.
And the summer ain't over yet...
What have you done in your spare time?![]()
Antagonized many of you here on the GJ?![]()





Ryobi 18v rotohammer with a 3/16 bit, went really slow, light pressure so the bit barely got into hammer mode... Then a 1/4 bit to open the holes up. Did get some blowout on the back side, but no way to avoid that with flagstone. The stone is 2"-2.5"+ thick, probably weighs 160+ lbs. I could ******** spleen when I picked it up and put it on the sawhorses. Probably getting too old for that...I like your address project. Do you drill the stone with the hammer setting or without? I've wondered if stone like that would crack if you use a hammer drill. Looks real nice!
Thought about doing that with a very dark green on the tree and brown on the trunk.Scott, absolutely beautiful address presentation. It's a shame the paint hid the texturing on the Ponderosa pine. You might try dusting some gray spray paint (same brand) on the tree and wipe it off the high spots to bring it back to life. If i doesn't work or looks horrible, a fresh coat of black isn't too big a deal (he says while his fat *** is parked at his desk).
Riiiiiigggghhhttt...
Closed in June, so far we have...
10. Had 6 big fixed-pane windows replaced.
Yeah, I'm tired.
And the summer ain't over yet...
A-1 GlassAt our place in Show Low, I have a bunch of windows where the seal has failed and the window fogged that I'm going to need to replace.
Did you use someone here on the moutain for your window replacement? Any details appreciated. I talked to Liberty and they wanted $250 to come out to estimate.
Demers, I know the owner Don. He's a nice guy and runs a tight ship but they ain't cheap by any means. Plus he'd be sending guys out of Phoenix so there's that.,
A-1 Glass
Snowflake AZ
No charge for estimate
$1000 less than Demers
They mis-measured 2 of the windows, had to come back, but they handled it well.
Really nice people to deal with.
Demers has a shop in Pinetop, AZ. Had them replace a few windows at my old place. Not.impressed. at. all.Demers, I know the owner Don. He's a nice guy and runs a tight ship but they ain't cheap by any means. Plus he'd be sending guys out of Phoenix so there's that.
But I'll share a recent emergency. Mental health ward, dude starts beating on the interior of a exterior window with a chair and shatters the interior pain (but remains in tact). This glazing panel is level 3 ballistics and exterior rated. 2ft wide, 7ft tall AND custom made thicknesses because of a architectural design and coordination flaw between structural / storefront framing design details with Demers stuck figuring out and providing a solution at hour 12 of construction.
Anyhow, I get the call to source the panel since I'm the only guy in town with that connection. My cost - $5K but I refuse to install it because of this custom storefront framing horseshit and other reasons. Long story short, between me passing on the pane and two different contractors involved with its installation, the overall job was $25K. Guess who the stakeholder called first bitching about the price - ya guys it wasn't me - keep on looking.