pulled the trigger on a new Lista today

[Capt Chrysler]

So why sell the SO for a Lista? They seem about the same size.


Capt. Chrysler

 

[ADSR]

So why sell the SO for a Lista? They seem about the same size.


Capt. Chrysler

Did you see the organizational drawer system?

 

[Trey T]

So why sell the SO for a Lista? They seem about the same size.


Capt. Chrysler

I would guess that he can sell it, even at a loss, and get an equivalent box and pocket some money.

A brand new KRL7022 11-drawer (230lbs/drawer capacity is listed for $7400 while a comparable Lista DW900 12-drawer (440lbs/drawer) about $3500. Simply, it's no brainer! @ $3500, it's still a lot of money, IMO.

 

[rowerwet]

So why sell the SO for a Lista? They seem about the same size.


Capt. Chrysler

Size is close, but drawer layout is not. SO has shallow drawers, my SO racks didn't work in the SO, however they are perfect in the Lista.
Being aviation tool control is critical, we will be required to have an easy to account system to catch missing tools soon at work. By labeling the loops, the SO racks will qualify, without having to shadow everything.
I got a deal on the SO, turned around and sold it at a profit. Lista is better for a bunch of details, the SO would have been good enough, but wasn't what I wanted. Even the new SO owners in our shop are impressed, and a little jealous.

 

[justanengineer]

So why sell the SO for a Lista? They seem about the same size.

As mentioned organization is one consideration, but the more important to me are quality and price. The SO is tinny **** comparatively, when one of them falls over the box breaks. When a Lista or Vidmar falls over the concrete does. The pic shows the backside of my ~5' Vidmar after it fell off the PO's forklift with close to a ton of tools in it.

Free admission, I didnt buy new and likely never will. With the low price of them on the used market in these parts I see no need.

 

[Linda@Lista]

@rowerwet Thank you for the Lista shoutout!
@justanengineer thank you for sharing the picture! Keep em coming!

 

[jvitez]

Very interesting thread. I've never seen a Lista box around here. Are they available in Canada?

 

[ADSR]

I posted a scratch and dent special from joe in the hot deals. Someone is going to get a very nice triple bay for dirt cheap!

 

[ADSR]

link to hot deals.....

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284161

 

[rowerwet]

being a cross country skier, I've been taking every chance after work to get out on the snow before it is gone. Between that and broken airplanes all over the place I've had no time to stop by the HF store. Finally I had a few min. to run in before an appointment after work.
How exactly do they know I'm coming, it seems every time I go there, they have the sidewalk sale or something going, I end up leaving with way more than I went in for...
I traced the drawer liner from the one small drawer that was lined, then glued it in place with RTV. fold back the corner, put a small dot, mash the liner into it, stuck but good.
Cleaned out the top box, and took it home. My box top is my work bench, I hated having a top box, plus it makes it easier to slip under an airplane on the way to work on another.

 

[rowerwet]

link to hot deals.....

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284161

If I didn't already have this box, I would be have snapped that one up. Figures, there was nothing I wanted in the Junkyard specials forever, I buy, now they have a couple I wouldn't hesitate over...

 

[rowerwet]

@rowerwet Thank you for the Lista shoutout!
@justanengineer thank you for sharing the picture! Keep em coming!

Any reason Lista doesn't put a sticker or emblem on the boxes? everybody at work loves the box, but can't remember the name I've been saving the best of the best stickers for this box for a while, I would love to have a Lista sticker to add.

 

[rowerwet]

Everybody else uses ball bearings, Lista has wheels for their drawers.

 

[rowerwet]

Comparing my box to the 4" taller SO, I have more drawer space! The SO wheels are taller than Lista, SO has torsion shock absorbers in the wheels being the main reason. Even with the bolted on rails Lista uses for the wheels.
Lista outer cabnet rails are much thinner 1" vs almost 3" for the fop and bottom rails around the drawers. SO side rails are almost the same thickness, but Lista does some serious metal forming to the front edge, while SO hides theirs behind a chrome bar to protect the drawer pulls.
Lista boxes are almost 2" longer in the two bay model. Gonna have to get some pics to prove this.

 

[rowerwet]

comparing the Lista TSDW07C04-1003FL-M to a SO KRL1022CPJJ (for all you green tool **** nuts), SO lists this box at $8370.00, the equivalent SO is KRL7022CPES, $7435.00! the extra height of the green box is too tall for me to work at comfortably, if you're over 6' it might be nicer.
Whatever model SO you compare to, SO is double the cost.
(link to motorhead http://www.motorheadextraordinaire.com/41-1-2-high-double-bank/3417-lista-tsdw07c04-1003fl-m.html )
while the SO is taller, it looses a lot of drawer interior space to wide frame rails.

 

[rowerwet]

side rail comparison, length and depth

 

[rowerwet]

drawer length, and the locking wheels. The Colson casters on the Lista don't just lock in place, they also do not swivel when locked, keeps from having to push the box around to get the caster to move so you can unlock the brake.

 

[toddacimer]

You have a point about the cubic inches of drawer space but it would appear that the Snap-on has at least 52x27" more square inches of space with the extra drawers. There are only so may things I can stack on top of one another. I'll take the extra drawers in the KRL and "more space"

 

[rowerwet]

for double the price, you pay your money, and make your choices... the extra drawers in the SO did nothing for me. I had to lay everything out flat, that I can store on edge in the Lista, (using the SO storage racks) right now I have a drawer and a half that I'm not really using, due to better drawer set up.
The biggest advantage is being able to pick from a bunch of configurations, SO sells the box one way, if it doesn't fit your needs, buy a bigger box or add a side box. $$$$$

 

[ADSR]

for double the price, you pay your money, and make your choices... the extra drawers in the SO did nothing for me. I had to lay everything out flat, that I can store on edge in the Lista, (using the SO storage racks) right now I have a drawer and a half that I'm not really using, due to better drawer set up.
The biggest advantage is being able to pick from a bunch of configurations, SO sells the box one way, if it doesn't fit your needs, buy a bigger box or add a side box. $$$$$

If you look in my lust for lista thread, I posted the specs of the lista box i want and the SO epiq. The Epiq is 15000 grand and less CI than my dream lista which is 4800 bucks.

 

[Trey T]

Snap-On has a very unique pricing structure, especially on the Epiq series, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. I bet it's cheaper for SO to build the Epiq boxes than the KRL bc there are less moving components (drawers). Lista price their automotive tool box about $250/drawer while SO KRL price them about $450/drawer.

It's might be a challenge for SO to price so high and Lista is penetrating hard into the automotive market. But from what I learn from this forum and mechanic, SO brand is sort-of like a cult, ppl are willin to pay to be in that cult.

If anybody want to sell automotive tool boxes, it's a damn perfect time to get into it and sell Lista; like what's Joe (motorextraordinaire) is doing.

 

[rowerwet]

To put it another way, what could I get from SO for $2,800, and how much Lista could I get for 7-8K. The only "advantage" SO offers is years of weekly payments. You would do much better buying a HF box to start, saving few bills a month aside until you can order a big Lista.
Part of my choice had to do with how much weight I want to push around the hangar, I could have bought bigger, but I'm not getting younger and the toolbox gets heavier with each new toy.

 

[Flivver250]

Snap-On is good product with financing that is easily attainable, especially for guys who probably couldn't walk into a bank and get a note of their signature or pay out in cash. Guys with no money pay more for less. SO was the first loan I ever had. Lista is top quality. If I was still twisting a wrench for a living I would consider them or MAC, but I'd probably look for a broke wrench who needed money more than drawers. My box (Extreme) is one of the few Asian tools I intentionally bought because it only gets used once a year and it is decent quality bang for the buck. The drawers are brimming with Wright and Snap-On. Congrats on the buy. It will probably outlive you and your heir.

 

[Trey T]

Snap-On is good product with financing that is easily attainable, especially for guys who probably couldn't walk into a bank and get a note of their signature or pay out in cash. Guys with no money pay more for less. SO was the first loan I ever had. Lista is top quality. If I was still twisting a wrench for a living I would consider them or MAC, but I'd probably look for a broke wrench who needed money more than drawers. My box (Extreme) is one of the few Asian tools I intentionally bought because it only gets used once a year and it is decent quality bang for the buck. The drawers are brimming with Wright and Snap-On. Congrats on the buy. It will probably outlive you and your heir.

So are there a lot of ppl that finance SO boxes? If so that's maybe the reason why they go with SO brand a lot .

 

[rowerwet]

Everyone I have worked with that bought a new box got a loan. I paid cash for every box I've owned, this is the fourth new, out of eight. But it will be my last.
Hang around a tool truck and mention a new box, just like a car payment they only talk your weekly payment and inflated trade-in, not total debt or years of payment.

 

[warmpancakes]

for double the price, you pay your money, and make your choices... the extra drawers in the SO did nothing for me. I had to lay everything out flat, that I can store on edge in the Lista, (using the SO storage racks) right now I have a drawer and a half that I'm not really using, due to better drawer set up.
The biggest advantage is being able to pick from a bunch of configurations, SO sells the box one way, if it doesn't fit your needs, buy a bigger box or add a side box. $$$$$

double the price???? Nobody pays retail for a snap on box,

Lets get to the other important factor service after the sale, try to get parts for a 10 year old Lista cabinet...... caster broke or wore out....


my snap on box I bought new and paid 35ish % of list. One phone call and the parts are brought to my door and installed


Lista fill out this paperwork, oh you better have your original receipt , and if we dont make the part you need to contact who supplies it to lista for warranty and hope they wanna help. If the Box is 5 years older or more good luck.

 

[Trey T]

^I'm curious... do you own a Lista box? If so, how old is your box and what have been wrong with it?

 

[warmpancakes]

Ive worked in companies that had them (notice the Had) once they couldnt replace simple things in them because of the age of the box they replaced them,

personally Ive had Mac matco and snap on,
Matco had to pull teeth to get replacement parts,
mac didnt have long enough,
snap on ive had several Latest is a 84 epiq, I had the entire box swapped under warranty one phone call and a few pictures was all it took.

 

[WhiffySpark]

for double the price, you pay your money, and make your choices... the extra drawers in the SO did nothing for me. I had to lay everything out flat, that I can store on edge in the Lista, (using the SO storage racks) right now I have a drawer and a half that I'm not really using, due to better drawer set up.
The biggest advantage is being able to pick from a bunch of configurations, SO sells the box one way, if it doesn't fit your needs, buy a bigger box or add a side box. $$$$$

no body pays retail for snap on. Your old box could be brought new for 3k. I only paid 5500 for a 68 epiq w/ power top

if you paid list.. well your driver is a joke

and no one has heard of lista outside of this website and industrial places. There for you'll have no resale.

 

[Trey T]

Ive worked in companies that had them (notice the Had) once they couldnt replace simple things in them because of the age of the box they replaced them,

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There you go.... companies, you said. Company owning and maintain a tool or equipment is much different than a single-person owner. You can not compare that with a single-person owner. Do you ever wonder why companies sell equipment or tool boxes for a fraction of their cost and you think that you got an extremely good deal? It's the standard business model where assets are liquidated based on a depeciation term. For them to have someone repair a tool box would cost as much as the liquidation value over and over again does NOT make sense; again, it's all business. That's just one reason out there, not necessarily fit your companies' cases.

The design of the Lista slide rail or drawer is completely different than a KRL box. You wouldn't want to replace Lista slide rail, you would repair it because their design is quite simple, again the key word is modular. With so many Lista or Vidmar boxes out there, you hardly hear problem with them.

There's a guy on here that found solution to replace his bearing on his vidmar or lista (can't remember) instead of the entire slide rail. I own both vidmar and lista boxes and did some research on bearing (with axle) in different styles (exact dimension) and to me that's something I would do in the future. My boxes are probably 20-30yrs old and it functions well, all drawers are true and glide smoothly. Like many that owns vidmar or lista, they always say that "it'll be their last tool box and will serve many generations to come".

SO, HF, or Husky have the same slide rail design (different capacity) with ball bearing floating between the slides while Vidmar or Lista have roller bearing - they're just two different animals.

 

[warmpancakes]

they needed the plastic wheel, couldnt get them, for a premium priced product there should be service parts offered for longer than 10 years lifetime warranty is only good if you can use it. so repair or replacing the slides is only practical when you can get parts. I shouldnt have to search for a replacement part.

Lista is marketed towards companies not the person in their garage

 

[ADSR]

Warm, you really do love the SO kool-aid. We can't get the same driver and prices you can. If we all had your connections, I'm sure we'd drink from the same cup.

Lista is a lot of bang for the buck. And the drawer divider system is just not something SO offers.

 

[WhiffySpark]

Snap on does offer it. But to most mechanics it's only useful in one drawer

 

[Fcvapor05]

g able to pick from a bunch of configurations, SO sells the box one way, if it doesn't fit your needs, buy a bigger box or add a side box. $$$$$

This is definitely not true. You can order a Snap-On box with any drawer configuration you want. You may have to wait for it a little longer but that's the only disadvantage.

Lista definitely makes a really nice box. I've never owned or used a rolling Lista, but worked several places where large swaths of crib/part storage used large banks of Lista or Vidmar cabinets.

The only reason I would hesitate to buy one for myself are the service issues that WP brings up, rare as they may be.

Either way, nice box OP.

 

[warmpancakes]

Warm, you really do love the SO kool-aid. We can't get the same driver and prices you can. If we all had your connections, I'm sure we'd drink from the same cup.

my driver does "play ball" real well, But i told him what I wanted to pay took 9 months but i got my box for my price