Purchasing Full New Tool Set

[bpwoodworking]

For SAE Bondhus is fantastic. I have a set with a ton of mileage on them and one can barely notice any wear, probably 10 years of daily use taking out and replacing saw inserts.

For the tool cabinet, generally I prefer not to have open shelves. I feel they always get dusty and anything that needs to be oiled or kept rust free (minimal rust) doesn't do well in them, so they end up as a junk storage space. Drawers on the other hand are much easier to organize.

Nice to have some deep drawers if you have a shaper and want the cutters to be stored upright. Harder to accomplish at the tablesaw since the blades are up to 18" diameter, but for every machine that can, it's nice to do so.

Most often, in addition to the shop set, I have individual tool stations populated with a duplicate of whatever tools are necessary there if they're common use hand tools.

That PB Swiss insert screwdriver looks nice, I have one from Wera and I don't like it for tight spaces. The bits they make are also very good, they wear exceptionally well.

Palmac sells European tool trolleys, appear to have pretty decent prices also.

 

[legenddc]

Off-topic but I'd love to see your shop based on the couple of pictures you posted.

 

[AEAdam]

Sounds like you are leaning toward German tools. There are some threads here about them. Several makers. I personally would go Hazet because in my heart I‘m a VAG person. And maybe in retirement i’ll buy a 911 to restore and get a Hazet Assistent and all Hazet tool sets. I’m very (weirdly) attracted to the funky euro blue color.

The other wrench to look at is Gerdore. I would ask the crew here for recomendations for the best German ratchet wrench. It could be Gedore.

I think Hazet would give you more of the Festool IKEA euro vibe you have.

Dont forget to make this fun. I was gonna suggest this earlier, but maybe you get a red cart and paint or wrap the drawers to make a German flag. You could do the same for a US flag. Might be fun. OR. Go with that southern German esthetic and make every drawer a different bright color.

 

[bpwoodworking]

Just my humble opinion, but Stahlwille would be top of the pile for wrenches, followed by Hazet. I have some Gedore stuff and it’s a little more rough around the edges than I desire. Hazet outperforms Stahlwille in tests performed to failure but I simply prefer Stahlwille for other tangible reasons and generally don’t need to apply hundreds of pounds of torque to open end wrenches.

For ratchets, I believe Hazet is preferable to Stahlwille and both preferable to Gedore but personally I continue to like KoKen and Nepros better than all of them. KoKen Zeal is my preference over Nepros even though Nepros stuff is a little fancier.

 

[John Stephenson]

Off-topic but I'd love to see your shop based on the couple of pictures you posted.

The new shop is currently under construction. With any luck they will have the plywood floors down before the machinery arrives in December. Once I start arranging it I will post some photos.

 

[bpwoodworking]

What’s the plywood going over?

 

[John Stephenson]

Sounds like you are leaning toward German tools. There are some threads here about them. Several makers. I personally would go Hazet because in my heart I‘m a VAG person. And maybe in retirement i’ll buy a 911 to restore and get a Hazet Assistent and all Hazet tool sets. I’m very (weirdly) attracted to the funky euro blue color.

The other wrench to look at is Gerdore. I would ask the crew here for recomendations for the best German ratchet wrench. It could be Gedore.

I think Hazet would give you more of the Festool IKEA euro vibe you have.

Dont forget to make this fun. I was gonna suggest this earlier, but maybe you get a red cart and paint or wrap the drawers to make a German flag. You could do the same for a US flag. Might be fun. OR. Go with that southern German esthetic and make every drawer a different bright color.

bpoodworking mentioned Palmac and I just found Gerode on their website. I guess I will be following that rabbit hole now.
Many users have pointed out that it is wise to diversify my tool purchase and go with who makes the best, or close to anyway. Based on users suggestions I am finding my list includes tool manufactures from all over the globe and I am loving it.

PB Swiss - Switzerland
Williams - USA
Nepros - Japan
Irega - Spain
Knipex - Germany

I think I have their countries of manufacturing correct. Most of the tools I am considering are from Germany though. I like the idea of a custom painted tool box. I am going to have to think about that.

 

[John Stephenson]

What’s the plywood going over?

Pressure treated sleepers and 1.5" foam insulation on top of a slab on grade. I forget the type of plywood I specified for the floor. It was specifically for this task as I remember.

 

[bpwoodworking]

Interesting, that will avoid the cold floor feeling. I’ve tended to want to avoid wood floors but they are much more comfortable than concrete.

 

[crashmtb]

Thank you for the links and the advice.

keep an eye on the DRPD thread for black friday sales.

 

[Pinemarten]

I would think that buying a Hazet or Stahlwille wrench sets in Metric and SAE, Koken or Snap-on sockets etc to tighten a table saw blade nut, or router bit is overkill. Any homeowner grade tool set will work. The type of tools most are recommending are for making money with. The tools YOU make money with are woodworking tools.

Simply lay in a good (not great) set of tools to service your equipment, without spending like you are a Formula 1 team.
Use the savings to buy more woodworking equipment or materials.

 

[bronuc]

Sounds like you are buying at least some Felder/Format equipment. A good place to start would be David Best's website, in particular this page.

Commissioning a Felder Sliding T

It doesn't seem like you can purchase the guide anymore, but perhaps you can inquire. A lot of the items are more specialized than general mechanics tools.

Wrenches for the arbors and so on will probably come with the tools, but for a general wrench set, Stahlwille seems to be the thinnest and the 10 series double headed spanners would probably do to replace any factory spanner you misplaced.

A good set of t-handle hex keys (I like Gedore, but there are many others).

Felo makes a very nice set of wood handled screwdrivers, keeping with the woodshop theme.

And an assortment of Pozi screwdrivers for modern cabinet hardware screws.

 

[John Stephenson]

Sounds like you are buying at least some Felder/Format equipment. A good place to start would be David Best's website, in particular this page.

Commissioning a Felder Sliding T

It doesn't seem like you can purchase the guide anymore, but perhaps you can inquire. A lot of the items are more specialized than general mechanics tools.

Wrenches for the arbors and so on will probably come with the tools, but for a general wrench set, Stahlwille seems to be the thinnest and the 10 series double headed spanners would probably do to replace any factory spanner you misplaced.

A good set of t-handle hex keys (I like Gedore, but there are many others).

Felo makes a very nice set of wood handled screwdrivers, keeping with the woodshop theme.

And an assortment of Pozi screwdrivers for modern cabinet hardware screws.

Thank you for the link! I have been rading a few of David's posts online and he seems very knowledgeable. I got word yesterday my machines are "on the water" and will land in the US on December 3rd. I ended up ordering a set of Heyco t-handle hex keys, hopefully these will fit the bill.

 

[bronuc]

Here is another link to David's tool list (for Felders, but probably broadly applicable to German, Austrian, and Italian woodworking tools).

Re: Just purchased used 2017 kf700sp commisioning?

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[John Stephenson]

Here is another link to David's tool list (for Felders, but probably broadly applicable to German, Austrian, and Italian woodworking tools).

Re: Just purchased used 2017 kf700sp commisioning?

groups.io

This is great! Thank you.

 

[bpwoodworking]

I would think that buying a Hazet or Stahlwille wrench sets in Metric and SAE, Koken or Snap-on sockets etc to tighten a table saw blade nut, or router bit is overkill. Any homeowner grade tool set will work. The type of tools most are recommending are for making money with. The tools YOU make money with are woodworking tools.

Simply lay in a good (not great) set of tools to service your equipment, without spending like you are a Formula 1 team.
Use the savings to buy more woodworking equipment or materials.

The way I look at it is that I am a professional and I want professional tools which will not fail me. Failure in any form is expensive, and the time I’ve wasted with certain tools has caused me to invest in quality knowing that it may need to rely upon.

 

[legenddc]

Was looking through a manual yesterday and noticed they had what tools and sizes were needed. If you know what woodworking machines you're getting you can help make sure you have what you need.

 

[M6erfan]

JIS is to Japan as DIN is to Germany. Philips JIS are kinda special, different profile than standard PH#2. You may not encounter this type on much equipment in a wood shop. Usually have triangle stamped into the head.

Actually JIS is designated with a 'dot' . . .

 

[vwpieces]

Actually JIS is designated with a 'dot' . . .

What about this? Current production OE Honda motorcycle screw. I have seen a few different indicators besides a Dot.

 

[M6erfan]

What about this? Current production OE Honda motorcycle screw. I have seen a few different indicators besides a Dot.

I've seen those on Honda's specifically, and I almost mentioned it. But the universal JIS screw mark is a dot as shown above in my other post.

 

[John Stephenson]

I am looking for recommendations for nut driver sets. Does anyone have a favorite they can recommend?

 

[scooby074]

I have Klein nut drivers. They work well.

 

[AEAdam]

I never was much for nutdrivers. But I really like my Snap On F50. Its basically an extension with a handle. Mine is now discontinued. It has a black hard handle on it. So, more than a nut driver, more than an extension.

They make a 1/4” version, which looks just like my F50. I think the new instinct handled F50s don’t have a socket in the top, so you can’t use it as an extension.

Positive there are other makers of similar tools. I’d look at something like this before investing in a set of nut drivers

 

[John Stephenson]

I never was much for nutdrivers. But I really like my Snap On F50. Its basically an extension with a handle. Mine is now discontinued. It has a black hard handle on it. So, more than a nut driver, more than an extension.

They make a 1/4” version, which looks just like my F50. I think the new instinct handled F50s don’t have a socket in the top, so you can’t use it as an extension.

Positive there are other makers of similar tools. I’d look at something like this before investing in a set of nut drivers

This would be great to have. Thank you for the recommendation, I'll se what's available.