Question on gluing pvc conduit

[hondacivic247]

Good news one of my buddy's is a electrican so I got him coming over next weekend to help me redo it all to code and pull out the LVT like you guys said while we're at it.

 

[hondacivic247]

Here's a picture of someone else's box and how they just have the wire in the wall pulled up through a knockout with clamp piece, which is what I did once the wire wad pulled out the J box. So is that the correct way

 

[hondacivic247]

Anyone have q good picture of how it's suppose to be done?

 

[wyliesdiesels]

The NM-b/Romex is correct in the pic.

If u used individual conductors then it needs to be in conduit all the way into the panel.

If u replaced the cordage with individual conductors then u would need a sweep or liquid tight to get into the panel.

 

[checkthisout]

Not to beat a dead horse but why not leave it as is and then just yank it out once the house is sold?

 

[hondacivic247]

You guys are confused I'm not selling the house. I live here already and plan to buy it out right from her parents for a deal. I could rip it all out but what's the point if I'm just going to hook it back up qnd it's not right.

I'll get new wire and some of the liquid tight and snake it up to the box and secure it qnd it will be done.

 

[hondacivic247]

I still don't understand why it matters why there needs to be conduit once the wire is inside the wall. The wall protects the wire, it would be a different story in my eyes if the panel wasn't built into the actual wall and was just mounted to the wall

 

[checkthisout]

I still don't understand why it matters why there needs to be conduit once the wire is inside the wall. The wall protects the wire, it would be a different story in my eyes if the panel wasn't built into the actual wall and was just mounted to the wall

Hold off on taking any action until your electrician friend comes to help.

The question you're asking is valid, and your install would probably be fine for many many years, it's just not best practice and it violates code.

My grandfather in law ran a piece of 14-2 (non burial) almost 70 feet out to a shed to run his woodworking tools. He tapped off a wire running to a light fixture outside but stripping along the length of the wire and then twirling the new wire onto the stripped bare length. He then used more electrical tape than I have ever seen. The wire then ran under the carport roof and then down a post and about a foot across a cement slab where it was dover underground...he protected the wire here with foam plumbing insulation, it then run up into his shed.

Believe it or not but this install lasted and was still functioning after 30 years.

 

[hondacivic247]

Can you take pvc conduit qnd connect it to metal conduit / metal flexible conduit or is that not to code. My electrican friend is giving me the 2008 code book that they still go by where I live

 

[wyliesdiesels]

You guys are confused I'm not selling the house. I live here already and plan to buy it out right from her parents for a deal. I could rip it all out but what's the point if I'm just going to hook it back up qnd it's not right.

I'll get new wire and some of the liquid tight and snake it up to the box and secure it qnd it will be done.

Are u gonna be using NM-b or individual THHN conductors?

I still don't understand why it matters why there needs to be conduit once the wire is inside the wall. The wall protects the wire, it would be a different story in my eyes if the panel wasn't built into the actual wall and was just mounted to the wall

Because individual conductors dont have an outer sheath. If u use NM-b then u dont need conduit inside the wall.

This is why u need to tell us what type of wire u will be using...

 

[hondacivic247]

I'll use nm-b which makes sense si I don't need conduit in the wall

 

[wyliesdiesels]

What size breaker, wire and conduit?

 

[hondacivic247]

It's a 50 amp circuit already which needs 6g

 

[padroo]

I always use primer on PVC conduit mostly to make sure it's clean. No one ever told me not to use it.lol

 

[wyliesdiesels]

What size conduit?

U will need #6 NM-b and depending on the conduit size, the pipe fill might be over with #6 NM-b

 

[checkthisout]

I always use primer on PVC conduit mostly to make sure it's clean. No one ever told me not to use it.lol

I noticed that the primer/glue combo takes much longer to dry than when you use primer and glue separately.

FYI, PVC "primer" is just acetone with purple dye added that you're paying quintuple the price per ounce for.

 

[nadogail]

Three pages to answer that PVC conduit is just a specialized type of PVC pipe and should be glued accordingly.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Three pages to answer that PVC conduit is just a specialized type of PVC pipe and should be glued accordingly.

Wrong. If u wouldve read the comments u wouldve seen that he asked about more than just PVC and glue.

 

[nadogail]

Ok, I assumed that the question would correspond to the subject line.

My error.

 

[hondacivic247]

What do you mean by the conduit size the pipe fill may be over with 6mn-b?

 

[hondacivic247]

We're going to use 6-2 nm-b wire cause I already have a receptacle were going to reuse that's just 2 hots qnd a ground

 

[hondacivic247]

My buddy that's coming to fix this said if we use 6-2nm-b we don't need to use liquid tight inside the wall just need to have a romex connector in the knockout, which I already did currently

 

[grounded-b]

I believe he is refering to "plumbing " PVC pipe. In that situation, the inspector wants to see the "usually purple" primer, to verify that indeed the pipe was primed before gluing.

There is no electrical code that I'm aware of that requires the PVC "cement" to be visable after gluing PVC for wiring.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

What do you mean by the conduit size the pipe fill may be over with 6mn-b?

Conduits have maximum fill amounts.

The pipe fill can add up quick when using NM-b in conduit.

My buddy that's coming to fix this said if we use 6-2nm-b we don't need to use liquid tight inside the wall just need to have a romex connector in the knockout, which I already did currently

Yup thats what i said. I didnt know if you were gonna use NM-B or THHN so thats why i mentioned the liquid tight.

 

[hondacivic247]

What's pipe fill you got me all lost on this.

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Its the amount of wires u can fit in a conduit. Ive been calling it pipe fill but the proper term is conduit fill.

 

[simpler=better]

Pipe fill: Slang for "How many wires (depends on the type of wire) can I stuff into a conduit without worrying about it overheating and melting". THHN/THWN (standard "conduit wire") is in the linked chart. Romex you take the widest diameter of teh bundle-so a 6-2 romex will "fill" a pipe way more than three 6ga THHN wires. The THHN is also easier to pull.

http://www.allenelectric.com/referencedata/conduitfill.htm

There's a lot of little gotchas that us folks don't think about. Don't let the grumpy old guys here scare you off, they just get short tempered with the same questions popping up 500x.

 

[hondacivic247]

Got ya the conduit I used is 1 1/2" and 1" as you can see in the picture a page or 2 back so will that be large enough for the 6-2nm-b wire?

 

[hondacivic247]

I believe he is refering to "plumbing " PVC pipe. In that situation, the inspector wants to see the "usually purple" primer, to verify that indeed the pipe was primed before gluing.

There is no electrical code that I'm aware of that requires the PVC "cement" to be visable after gluing PVC for wiring.

Maybe he was referring to plumbing cause he was giving me a hand plumbing my kitchen sink to remove the broken garage disposal. Once I get this code book from my buddy I shouldn't have a problem doing electrical work to code at least on basic stuff around the house. I tried to get a apprentice ship in a union to become a electrican, passed all the tests and placed 75 out of tons of people but never got a call to start and never went back to retest now I print labels for q company which I enjoy but I do love electrical and welding.

 

[hondacivic247]

Appreciate all the time you guys take to help people out like me that are willing to learn the correct way.

 

[Crazyjake8493]

For future reference, if you were running individual conductors (THHN) all the way to the panel, out the back of the LB you would use a piece of conduit with a TA (terminal adapter or "male" adapter) that would go into the knockout in the panel, and then a locknut onto the threads of the TA to secure it to a panel.

 

[checkthisout]

Got ya the conduit I used is 1 1/2" and 1" as you can see in the picture a page or 2 back so will that be large enough for the 6-2nm-b wire?

Replace the conduit while you're at it so it's all the same size.

It's nice to have it look nice.

 

[simpler=better]

Got ya the conduit I used is 1 1/2" and 1" as you can see in the picture a page or 2 back so will that be large enough for the 6-2nm-b wire?

On paper you're OK with 6-2NMB in 3/4" conduit or larger. So at 1" in your tightest spot you're good to go

 

[hondacivic247]

I may redo the conduit down the road but for now it's staying. I just got screwed out 80 bucks on ebay. FYI never use a ebay gift card on q mobil app it doesn't work an you'll be charged full price qnd once you get the item from the vendor your fucked. Just happened to me and they tell me there's nothing they can do. So after when I have more money I'll redo the conduit but heads up with ebay and paypal neither will take responsibility

 

[KenC]

I may redo the conduit down the road but for now it's staying. I just got screwed out 80 bucks on ebay. FYI never use a ebay gift card on q mobil app it doesn't work an you'll be charged full price qnd once you get the item from the vendor your fucked. Just happened to me and they tell me there's nothing they can do. So after when I have more money I'll redo the conduit but heads up with ebay and paypal neither will take responsibility

Can you repeat that in a language that I understand? Who issues the gift card? Visa/MC or??? What's a q mobil app? Was the charge you got hit with different than what was displayed at purchase?

 

[hondacivic247]

I had 2 gift cards totaling 80 bucks the drill bits were 89.95 I used the codes it knocked the price down to 8.95. Perfect paid with paypal the difference. Happened to go to my bank and look at my transaction for the week an noticed I was charged 89.95 instead. And to top if all off now the gift cards won't work. Ebay says they don't have anything to do with gift cards and paypal says it's a ebay issue even tho it was both parties at fault

 

[hondacivic247]

They were ebay gift cards purchased at a store.

 

[hondacivic247]

Every sense ebay an paypal separated it's all went to hell I've been using them both sense 06 and have spent thousands buying items

 

[hondacivic247]

A mobil app is a app on your smart phone like the ebay app. I read lots of complaints online of people saying if you don't use the entire amount the 1st purchase you can't use the balance. How they screw people is once the seller ships the item and has a tracking number they can't do anything about it which I would have never even known I had been charged the entire amount except I randomly had to look at my bank transaction for another reason and caught it. Seems like fraud to me ebay gets paid for the bought gift cards, the vendor gets paid by myself and I have useless gift cards and they can't do anything about it cause you talk to people in Southeast Asia call centers

 

[wyliesdiesels]

Can u contest the charges with your bank?

Thats what i would do!

Im sure ebay will jump real quick when the bank gets involved.