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Looks like the Duff 110 had a long run. The 1943 Duff catalog has the 110 in it. Interesting you had to add $1 to the price if you wanted the round opening (as opposed to the standard square opening) with the big wooden handle. Even more interesting...why can't I find anything between 1924-1942?
 

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^ There is a reason why I make a practice of harvesting all these ads off the web.
Mark is doing a hell of a job at ITCL, but there are always holes that need to be filled.
 
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^ There is a reason why I make a practice of harvesting all these ads off the web.
Mark is doing a hell of a job at ITCL, but there are always holes that need to be filled.
I agree. Here's another one from the 1938 Duff Norton Jacks catalog.
 

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Here's the Duff No. 110 in a 1927 ad. This ad was on pg 60 of this catalog. Link to catalog HERE
 

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What's the RR angle? I don't know what "RED STAR T.S." means, but "POLE PIECE SPREADING FIXTURE" sounds like an old dynamo to me.
Just going off what he said when he gave it to me. He said it was an old RR tool but no other information. I was just a kid at the time. Decades later, I decided to ask Google. The best I could come up with was possibly a device to maintain the correct distance between the rails. I can’t find that reference now. Like I said, I really don’t know anything about it. If anyone has insight, I’m all ears. Kinda why I posted, hoping for info. 🤷‍♂️
 

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What's the RR angle? I don't know what "RED STAR T.S." means, but "POLE PIECE SPREADING FIXTURE" sounds like an old dynamo to me.

Pursuing your dynamo reference, he did work at Oklahoma Gas and Electric (OG&E) so that would make sense. Can you elaborate?
 

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Red star tool steel? Name was trademarked in 1950. Says it was used for rr tracks.
That's interesting. Registered to Vanadium-Alloys Steel Company in Latrobe, PA. And I might've thought someone made the wrench from a bar of it, and decided to record for posterity what he used, but the wrench looks much older than 1950 to me.
Just going off what he said when he gave it to me.
Thanks. It could be both dynamo related and RR related. Railways used dynamos to create electricity for all kinds of things, including power, lighting, and even friction-less brakes.
Can you elaborate?
I am not saying I have definitively identified the purpose of your wrench. I am just saying that the terminology reminds me of terms often used in old textbooks to describe dynamos, which use poles and a magnet to convert the magnetism into electrical current running through the poles to the armature, limbs, etc, optimizing the current (and minimizing the eventual dissolution of the iron) with fixtures that keep the poles and the lines of induction spread apart at certain lengths.

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Further readings about old dynamos with insightful descriptions using this terminology linked here, here, and here.

EDIT: On second thought about @ararat 's TM find..., if I hand-forged a DOE wrench from a bar of RED STAR TOOL STEEL, right now, in 2025, and stamped it myself, by hand, with letter figure punches, it would probably look crude and antique, too. The question is does the flip side marking make sense? If it's a reference to a dynamo, were they still using and servicing dynamos in the 1950s? It's possible.
 
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That's interesting. Registered to Vanadium-Alloys Steel Company in Latrobe, PA. And I might've thought someone made the wrench from a bar of it, and decided to record for posterity what he used, but the wrench looks much older than 1950 to me.

Thanks. It could be both dynamo related and RR related. Railways used dynamos to create electricity for all kinds of things, including power, lighting, and even friction-less brakes.

I am not saying I have definitively identified the purpose of your wrench. I am just saying that the terminology reminds me of terms often used in old textbooks to describe dynamos, which use poles and a magnet to convert the magnetism into electrical current running through the poles to the armature, limbs, etc, optimizing the current (and minimizing the eventual dissolution of the iron) with fixtures that keep the poles and the lines of induction spread apart at certain lengths.

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Further readings about old dynamos with insightful descriptions using this terminology linked here, here, and here.

EDIT: On second thought about @ararat 's TM find..., if I hand-forged a DOE wrench from a bar of RED STAR TOOL STEEL, right now, in 2025, and stamped it myself, by hand, with letter figure punches, it would probably look crude and antique, too. The question is does the flip side marking make sense? If it's a reference to a dynamo, were they still using and servicing dynamos in the 1950s? It's possible.
I thought the same thing about 1950 being late for the "look" of the wrench. If the date was 1920, I would have felt better about my theory.
 

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Thanks, @Private Lugnutz . I like your direction better than what I could find. And, like I said, he retired from OG&E so that jibes as well. So, in my mind, I going to believe that it is a wrench specially made for the spreading fixture of a dynamo.....wait for it......used by a railroad company. 🤣

Although, if the GJ collective feels that the RR angle is defunct, I will delete that post.
 
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Found this giant wrench today for $10. It's 18-3/4" long & weighs 18 lbs. It has a 2-1/2" opening & the handle is 3/4" thick. I forgot to take a before pic, but it basically looked like an orange Cheeto before I cleaned it. Could have been used on the railroad, bridges or some industrial situation. Unfortunately it has no markings.
Anyone know any info please share.

Now I just need to keep it put away so my wife doesn't hit me in the head with it..... if she can lift it 😄
 

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I've not found any info for certain yet, but I believe I've seen old pics of Locomotives under repair in railyards & there were similar wrenches being used. Used for tighter areas & I'm sure they probably threw a cheater on the handle at some point.
 
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I found an old pic of a train getting maintenance & they have tools laying around that you can see in the picture. You can see a big wrench laying on the ground that looks very similar to my wrench. I marked it with a red arrow on the pic.
 

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I bought something online today that I've never seen before. A very large Whitman & Barnes railroad monkey wrench. It's more than 2ft long & is stamped C.R.I & P.R.Y. I thought I read before that the largest monkey wrench that W&B made was 21". The other very odd feature about this wrench is it has a removable pipe handle??!! It's stamped with the typical diamond W&B logo too. I'm still on the road for work, so I haven't had a chance to do much research yet. I'm anxious to learn more about this. I didn't know W&B made a giant monkey wrench with a pipe handle 🤔 The pics are horrible but that's all I got right now.
Does anyone know anything about this monkey wrench??
 

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That stamp reads, "C.R.I.&P.RY." with no period mark after the "R". "Ry" was the common acronym for Railway, and that almost certainly signifies the Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific Railway.
I didn't know W&B made a giant monkey wrench with a pipe handle
FWIW, I think you should consider that it may not be original. Especially not by the crude look of those nuts, washers and screw pinning it on and the glimmery black and red paint on the wrench and that pipe handle, respectively, which looks like the classic rattle can spray paint work of certain kinds of old tool collectors who just can't help themselves from re-painting every axe, hammer, and monkey wrench they find.

I could be wrong.
 
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That stamp reads, "C.R.I.&P.RY." with no period mark after the "R". "Ry" was the common acronym for Railway, and that almost certainly signifies the Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific Railway.

I think you should consider that it may not be original. Especially not by the looks of that nut and screw pinning it on and the glimmery black and red paint on the wrench and that pipe handle, respectively, which looks like the classic rattle can spray paint work of certain kinds of old tool collectors who just can't help themselves from re-painting every axe, hammer, and monkey wrench they find.
I definitely already knew the handle had obviously been painted red & may not be original. The fact still remains that it takes a round pipe handle. Someone had some fun painting this one, which drives me crazy. Who knows, I could get lucky & maybe the handle is original. Either way the paint will be coming off once I get it. Still...W&B monkey wrench...with a pipe handle? Never seen or heard of one existing. I'm looking forward to researching this one.
 

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Huh? I think we must be misunderstanding each other, Ben. You seem to be saying that even if the red painted pipe is not original that something about the wrench is different because... the red painted pipe is there? Sorry, but I am not following you on that.

Just in case I am not being clear, let be more explicit.

It looks to me like someone added that pipe as an extension or a replacement or just because they wanted a longer handle. They drilled a hole through whatever was left of the original handle (which we cannot see inside that pipe), drilled a hole through the pipe in a corresponding location, and screwed them together. Again, I could be wrong. But it wouldn't be the first time we have seen a pipe on an old monkey wrench handle.

I'll be the first to congratulate you on finding a W&B monkey wrench provisioned for a pipe handle if that's what you find when you receive it and take that pipe off.
 
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Huh? I think we must be misunderstanding each other, Ben. You seem to be saying that even if the red painted pipe is not original that something about the wrench is different because... the red painted pipe is there? Sorry, but I am not following you on that.

Just in case I am not being clear, let be more explicit.

It looks to me like someone added that pipe as an extension or a replacement or just because they wanted a longer handle. They drilled a hole through whatever was left of the original handle (which we cannot see inside that pipe), drilled a hole through the pipe in a corresponding location, and screwed them together. Again, I could be wrong. But it wouldn't be the first time we have seen a pipe on an old monkey wrench handle.

I'll be the first to congratulate you on finding a W&B monkey wrench provisioned for a pipe handle if that's what you find when you receive it and take that pipe off.
I hear what you're saying. I've found wrenches before with a homemade pipe handle. What is confusing to me, it appears in the pictures, that the body of the wrench "appears" to be round to accept a round handle. Of course the pics are terrible. I've messaged who I bought it from to see if he can tell me the specifics or send me a pic. I would say, if it is in fact designed for a round handle, that would be a cool find.
 
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Here is my W&B 21" Railroad Special with the Williams markings. Just using it as an example, if I was able to retro fit a pipe on here some how, whether the handle fit inside or just butted up against the bottom of the wrench, I'm thinking it would be quite obvious of the union between something round & square (rectangle). The pics are deceiving. I'll post up any info once I hear back from the seller. Stand by....
 

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I'm suspecting you will find a rounded off handle on the wrench, or the pipe is flattened a bit, or both, once it arrives and you remove the bolt.

I'm not s wrench guy, but 90% sure that's not factory.
 

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What is confusing to me, it appears in the pictures, that the body of the wrench "appears" to be round to accept a round handle.
Well, I don't know what you mean by body. We see the whole wrench except for the handle. The pipe actually looks more oval than round to me near the wrench, between the through-bolt and the shoulder, and I was thinking the shoulder looks more like a 'knife handle' type monkey wrench, without its wooden scales, but all of this is just unnecessary speculation. When you have the wrench in hand you'll know soon enough what's going on under that pipe.
 
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^ Quickie fig to accompany last post. It looks like lopped the tang for the integral wooden scales off. I'll be interesting to see how that pipe is attached other than the bolt.
 

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^ Quickie fig to accompany last post
Nice pic. Definitely a knife handle design. It's beginning to look more like a modified original handle with a pipe over it like you guys have been eluding to. I'll know soon enough once it's in my hand.
 

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I am 77 and back when I was a kid I grew up along the C&O Tracks going up Cabin Creek. About every June the track maintenance crew came thru. This was before these MOW crews they have now. The crew Called Gandy Dancers would come along 99% were black men and they worked to a rhymatic song one I remember was this I gotta Gal her name is Sal she was really quiet gal gal she new how to milk a cow. If she be late for our date. I would hava to stand and wait. And the singer was called Caller he call out the words and the guy would twist bars bang hammers to that tune. Just thought of that looking over these tools. I have collection of tools that some of the guys would toss over the fence to me at the end of the day.
 
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I am 77 and back when I was a kid I grew up along the C&O Tracks going up Cabin Creek. About every June the track maintenance crew came thru. This was before these MOW crews they have now. The crew Called Gandy Dancers would come along 99% were black men and they worked to a rhymatic song one I remember was this I gotta Gal her name is Sal she was really quiet gal gal she new how to milk a cow. If she be late for our date. I would hava to stand and wait. And the singer was called Caller he call out the words and the guy would twist bars bang hammers to that tune. Just thought of that looking over these tools. I have collection of tools that some of the guys would toss over the fence to me at the end of the day.
That's such a cool story. What year would you say that was? We'd like to see pics of any of those tools 👍
 
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Well, everyone's suspicions was right. I kind of figured the same thing, but why not take a chance on something different. Looks like a railroad modification to make the wrench longer for more leverage. The pipe appears to be old & very heavy, but someone painted it red. I'm tempted to remove the paint since the pipe looks to be about the same age as the wrench. I'd rather see the original finish instead of bright red paint.
Any votes on what to do??
 

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...but why not take a chance on something different.
It does have a very cool marking. You know some guys collect RR tools, paraphernalia, and ephemera just for the railway, right? Do you have anything else with the Chicago, Rock Island, and Pacific Railway acronym on it? It's a cool and none too common marking in my experience.
Any votes on what to do??
Well, if you're going to put time and effort into restoring what is essentially a chop job, I would go all in. I would strip the paint off the wrench and the pipe, and I would re-build that pin holding it together with vintage hardware, even if it was outlandish. Make it look like an extension a gandy dancer would be proud of.
 
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