Diesel-Mech
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I'm impressed MOPARHOUND
ratchet ****
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lbgradwell
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Keep 'em coming!
(But be advised that PowderKeg has recently started prowling flea markets again after years away!)
(But be advised that PowderKeg has recently started prowling flea markets again after years away!)
Debated between 2 pic's as to which to post next. In hindsight I would have arranged/grouped these ratchets differently. But between finding more ratchets after some photos have been taken, and getting wore out after a few hours of hoisting and scrubbing tools/toolboxes, a guy don't think the best.
Don't get me wrong, it's been a blast discovering tools, and getting re-acquainted with stuff you forgot you had........a little caffeine helps along the way.
10 mixed brands, mostly Craftsman, from left to right:
Craftsman (factory stamped "BE")
Craftsman (factory stamped with an "H" in a circle)
2 Penens
Craftsman (just another of the flat panels prior to the current Sears version)
Indestro
2 S-K (the shiney one is from an old set, great shape)
2 Craftsman (yes, 2 more of the desirable fine tooth, thumb wheel, quick release versions)
Easco fine tooth (ratchet head is twin to the Craftsman's beside it, handle is different)
Okay........now for even older/antique Craftsman stuff..........stay tuned............
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 177 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 64 . )
Your user name should be ratchethound
MOPARHOUND!
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Thanks for the kudos Diesel-Mech!
caper, see what the thread you started has caused............. !
Wheres the :stirspot: smiley ?? ?? ....................HA, HA!
Back to ratchets, up next 10 vintage/antique Craftsmans (except for the piece of scrap metal........er......uh new Craftsman on the far right), from left to right, all Craftsman:
1) Female drive, factory stamped "BE". Humidity has deteriorted the finish on this ratchet, it is part of a museum quality set, the pic does it no justice. So far the sockets haven't succumbed to rust. Maybe some of billymade's Evaporust can do it justice??
2) Female drive, factory stamped BE.
3) Female drive, factory stamped "H" with a circle around it.
4) An early flat panel design, with what some have described as "the way cool art deco reversing lever". Amazingly, this is the only 1/2" drive example I ever found in my travels.
5) Yet 1 more example I found of an early flat panel design with the Snap-On look alike head.
6, 7, & 8) lbgradwell mentioned in another post these were made by Plomb, must date to the 30s or 40s?? #8 on the right of these 3 is from a near mint quality set in its original metal toolbox in great condition.
9) Only example I have of this one, think it is from the 30's. A sweet sounding ratchet, reminds of a Plomb/Proto head's sound, with minimal resistance on the backswing.
10) New ratchet I found late in the garage/basement hunt. Piece of scrap gives Craftsman a bad name, they would be wise to dis-continue it, glad I only own one of them, and that is one to many. Sears describes it as a "fine tooth round head ratchet".
That should about do it for the Craftsman 1/2" drives, unless I find a stray later.........next up some way cool vintage/antique mixed brands, female & male head ratchets. Very interesting design ideas, think you will like them.............
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 187 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 54 . )
caper, see what the thread you started has caused.............
!Wheres the :stirspot: smiley ?? ?? ....................HA, HA!
Back to ratchets, up next 10 vintage/antique Craftsmans (except for the piece of scrap metal........er......uh new Craftsman on the far right), from left to right, all Craftsman:
1) Female drive, factory stamped "BE". Humidity has deteriorted the finish on this ratchet, it is part of a museum quality set, the pic does it no justice. So far the sockets haven't succumbed to rust. Maybe some of billymade's Evaporust can do it justice??
2) Female drive, factory stamped BE.
3) Female drive, factory stamped "H" with a circle around it.
4) An early flat panel design, with what some have described as "the way cool art deco reversing lever". Amazingly, this is the only 1/2" drive example I ever found in my travels.
5) Yet 1 more example I found of an early flat panel design with the Snap-On look alike head.
6, 7, & 8) lbgradwell mentioned in another post these were made by Plomb, must date to the 30s or 40s?? #8 on the right of these 3 is from a near mint quality set in its original metal toolbox in great condition.
9) Only example I have of this one, think it is from the 30's. A sweet sounding ratchet, reminds of a Plomb/Proto head's sound, with minimal resistance on the backswing.
10) New ratchet I found late in the garage/basement hunt. Piece of scrap gives Craftsman a bad name, they would be wise to dis-continue it, glad I only own one of them, and that is one to many. Sears describes it as a "fine tooth round head ratchet".
That should about do it for the Craftsman 1/2" drives, unless I find a stray later.........next up some way cool vintage/antique mixed brands, female & male head ratchets. Very interesting design ideas, think you will like them.............
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 187 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 54 . )
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MOPARHOUND!
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Your user name should be ratchethound
My username on JalopyJournal.com is TOOLHOUND! . Just signed up a few weeks ago, tried to get the name TOOLHOUND! on here, but someone else signed up over a year ago with toolhound (all lower case no exclamation point), but has never posted. I contacted a moderator, but they wouldn't allow me to have it.
MOPARHOUND!
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Yet another day.................yet another ratchet post.
8 more vintage/antique 1/2" drive ratchets for your viewing curiousity...........from left to right:
Herbrand Think its Herbrand(?)
(EDIT: It is a Hinsdale ratchet, per Old Salvage, confirmed by Alloy-Artifacts.com), stamping on it is in poor condition, but it has a trademark stamp of an "H" in a circle. NO springs in this one, the end of the handle has teeth on it inside the ratchet head. The head pivots slightly, allowing you to manually engage/disengage the pawl teeth while ratcheting. As with most typical female drive ratchets, you flip it over to go the opposite direction.
Bonney Antique female drive, with the male removable plug for turning around when you want to flip the ratchet over and reverse direction. Notice the arrow where antique Snap-On's usually say "ON" or "OFF". Excellent condition, not quite near mint, enough chrome left on the male plug cap to generate some glare in the picture.
Unknown & Duro These 2 ratchets are unmarked, but the one on the right is Duro, as I have the rest of the set in a metal case. I would speculate the ratchet on the left was made by Duro, but possibly for another Brand, given the difference in the handle ??? . I would assume these ratchets were designed during the transition from female drive to modern male drive that is the standard today. They both have removable male plugs with cap on one end, but also have reversing levers mechanisms, meaning you don't have to flip the ratchet over to change direction. I could see this allowing the ratchet to be used with extensions that were male on both ends as was common in that day, as well as the female/male extensions common today. The male drive being removable would also allow you to have it on the side of the ratchet you preferred (side with reversing lever, or side without), without having to dis-assemble the entire ratchet.
Unknown Bet it is a Duro, just a forerunner to the ratchet on the left of it. Female drive, enclosed ratchet head, no reversing lever. Notice the lack of a cap on the male drive (it isn't fully seated in the pic). At some point think someone figured out if you put a "cap" on one side of the male drive, it would prevent it from sliding out at least one side of the ratchet during use.
Duro-Chrome What would be better than a removable male drive with a cap? Why not permanently affix a male drive on one side to use with female/male extensions, add a female drive on the opposite side of the pawl for male/male extensions, add a reversing lever so you don't have to flip the ratchet over to reverse direction, and ..........boom.........you have one of the most diverse ratchets made in its day. (If I can get this group of ratchets together again, will try to snap a pic of the opposite sides.)
Blackhawk Female drive. Think this ratchet consists of 2 concave pieces of metal riveted together, meaning the body of the ratchet is hollow.
None Better Female drive.
Where are the antique Snap-On Fans.........................? GET READY!!! :
The march to 241 continues..........will it happen??
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 195 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 46 . )
8 more vintage/antique 1/2" drive ratchets for your viewing curiousity...........from left to right:
Herbrand Think its Herbrand(?)
(EDIT: It is a Hinsdale ratchet, per Old Salvage, confirmed by Alloy-Artifacts.com), stamping on it is in poor condition, but it has a trademark stamp of an "H" in a circle. NO springs in this one, the end of the handle has teeth on it inside the ratchet head. The head pivots slightly, allowing you to manually engage/disengage the pawl teeth while ratcheting. As with most typical female drive ratchets, you flip it over to go the opposite direction.Bonney Antique female drive, with the male removable plug for turning around when you want to flip the ratchet over and reverse direction. Notice the arrow where antique Snap-On's usually say "ON" or "OFF". Excellent condition, not quite near mint, enough chrome left on the male plug cap to generate some glare in the picture.
Unknown & Duro These 2 ratchets are unmarked, but the one on the right is Duro, as I have the rest of the set in a metal case. I would speculate the ratchet on the left was made by Duro, but possibly for another Brand, given the difference in the handle ??? . I would assume these ratchets were designed during the transition from female drive to modern male drive that is the standard today. They both have removable male plugs with cap on one end, but also have reversing levers mechanisms, meaning you don't have to flip the ratchet over to change direction. I could see this allowing the ratchet to be used with extensions that were male on both ends as was common in that day, as well as the female/male extensions common today. The male drive being removable would also allow you to have it on the side of the ratchet you preferred (side with reversing lever, or side without), without having to dis-assemble the entire ratchet.
Unknown Bet it is a Duro, just a forerunner to the ratchet on the left of it. Female drive, enclosed ratchet head, no reversing lever. Notice the lack of a cap on the male drive (it isn't fully seated in the pic). At some point think someone figured out if you put a "cap" on one side of the male drive, it would prevent it from sliding out at least one side of the ratchet during use.
Duro-Chrome What would be better than a removable male drive with a cap? Why not permanently affix a male drive on one side to use with female/male extensions, add a female drive on the opposite side of the pawl for male/male extensions, add a reversing lever so you don't have to flip the ratchet over to reverse direction, and ..........boom.........you have one of the most diverse ratchets made in its day. (If I can get this group of ratchets together again, will try to snap a pic of the opposite sides.)
Blackhawk Female drive. Think this ratchet consists of 2 concave pieces of metal riveted together, meaning the body of the ratchet is hollow.
None Better Female drive.
Where are the antique Snap-On Fans.........................? GET READY!!! :
The march to 241 continues..........will it happen??
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 195 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 46 . )
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old salvage
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Awsome mopar!
The first ratchet in the above pic could have been made by Hinsdale.
Kinda reminds me of one anyway.
The first ratchet in the above pic could have been made by Hinsdale.
Kinda reminds me of one anyway.
MOPARHOUND!
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You nailed it old salvage !
Alloy-Artifacts.com confirms it as Hinsdale:
http://alloy-artifacts.com/hinsdale-hindsight.html
It has what they refer to as the "Fat-H-Circle" logo:
http://alloy-artifacts.com/trademarks-and-logos.html#logo-Fat-H-Circle
Alloy-Artifacts.com confirms it as Hinsdale:
http://alloy-artifacts.com/hinsdale-hindsight.html
It has what they refer to as the "Fat-H-Circle" logo:
http://alloy-artifacts.com/trademarks-and-logos.html#logo-Fat-H-Circle
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Phatsub
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More awesome desktop wallpaper! Thanks.
chad s
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Snapmom is my mentor. Her Snap on collection is one of the best in the world.
MOPARHOUND!
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No way my little dab of vintage Snap-On can compete with a longtime Snap-On dealer/collectors accumulation. Just happy to score what little I have when I did.........
A warm up pic of vintage 1/2" drive Snap-On, from left to right:
Williams I know its not Snap-On, but it is a vintage female drive, and at the time hadn't had its picture taken yet.
Snap-On One of those manual ratchet head thingy's, had to show it off with one of the breaker bars. The ratchet head has 1-30-23 on it, don't know if it relates to a Patent date, or the date it was made. Think the breaker bar is a No. 10 with the pivoting head (notice how the pivot head is the opposite setup from most breaker bars today), it dates as 1928 .
Snap-On Another manual ratchet thingy, this one I can make out -23 B on it. Think the breaker bar is a No. 1 , and dates as 1930. The male drive is rotated 45 degrees relative to the handle versus modern breaker bars.
Antique conventional Snap-On ratchets on deck.............
About to put 200 in our rear-view mirror.
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 198 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 43 . )
A warm up pic of vintage 1/2" drive Snap-On, from left to right:
Williams I know its not Snap-On, but it is a vintage female drive, and at the time hadn't had its picture taken yet.
Snap-On One of those manual ratchet head thingy's, had to show it off with one of the breaker bars. The ratchet head has 1-30-23 on it, don't know if it relates to a Patent date, or the date it was made. Think the breaker bar is a No. 10 with the pivoting head (notice how the pivot head is the opposite setup from most breaker bars today), it dates as 1928 .
Snap-On Another manual ratchet thingy, this one I can make out -23 B on it. Think the breaker bar is a No. 1 , and dates as 1930. The male drive is rotated 45 degrees relative to the handle versus modern breaker bars.
Antique conventional Snap-On ratchets on deck.............
About to put 200 in our rear-view mirror.
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 198 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 43 . )
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lbgradwell
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Great stuff snapmom! More please...
MOPARHOUND!
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Awe inspiring collection Snapmom.
Alright, next up is what we were able to latch onto in our travels years ago in terms of antique Snap-On ratchets, from left to right (one pic shows the female drives "OFF" side, the other the "ON" side):
1) Don't know the year. Presume it is the earliest of the ratchets as it isn't marked with "ON" or "OFF". Snap On logo style is unlike any I've seen. The ratchet is poorly cast compared to the others, with the "MILWAUKEE" letters being different heights, as though the mold was poorly made or worn at the time this ratchet was formed.
2 & 3) 1927. One is stamped " 7 " the other " -7 " (I added the quotes " "). They are twins logo wise, front and back. The one on the left appears to have spent about 50 years laying on a dirt floor, one side kinda rough. Notice no " No. 7 " on this pair.
4, 8, & 9) 4 is a 1928(?) best I can tell from the date stamp. 8 & 9 are identical logo and script wise, but have no marking to identify the year. In hindsight, I should have grouped these three ratchets together for the pic. Notice no " No. 7 " cast into the panels of these three.
5, 6, & 7) 5 is a 1929, stamped " -9 ". 5 and 6 are identical, but 6 is not date stamped. 7 is not date stamped, is very similar, but has some differences. 7's " No. 7 " is smaller, and reads "PATENT APPL'D FOR" versus the fully spelled out "PATENT APPLIED FOR" on 5 & 6. On the opposite side, 7 has "MILWAUKEE U.S.A." with different letter spacing compared to 5 & 6 having "MILWAUKEE USA".
10) 1931. Reversible male drive ratchet, the " No. 71 ". Notice how the screws on the drive side are not counter-sunk like modern ratchets. "MILWAUKEE USA" Has been replaced by "KENOSHA WIS".
If anyone else has any input, feel free to share. My knowledge doesn't extend much past the Snap-On date code chart.
You thought we were done with 1/2" drives??......
.......I have a pic of some stray 1/2" drives and of some 3/8" drives grouped together I think will make a good transitional pic for the 3/8" drive gallery. Stay tuned................... 
The count continues enroute to 241...............a little Ennio Morricone to add to the suspense.............
Till next time........
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 208 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 33 . )
Alright, next up is what we were able to latch onto in our travels years ago in terms of antique Snap-On ratchets, from left to right (one pic shows the female drives "OFF" side, the other the "ON" side):
1) Don't know the year. Presume it is the earliest of the ratchets as it isn't marked with "ON" or "OFF". Snap On logo style is unlike any I've seen. The ratchet is poorly cast compared to the others, with the "MILWAUKEE" letters being different heights, as though the mold was poorly made or worn at the time this ratchet was formed.
2 & 3) 1927. One is stamped " 7 " the other " -7 " (I added the quotes " "). They are twins logo wise, front and back. The one on the left appears to have spent about 50 years laying on a dirt floor, one side kinda rough. Notice no " No. 7 " on this pair.
4, 8, & 9) 4 is a 1928(?) best I can tell from the date stamp. 8 & 9 are identical logo and script wise, but have no marking to identify the year. In hindsight, I should have grouped these three ratchets together for the pic. Notice no " No. 7 " cast into the panels of these three.
5, 6, & 7) 5 is a 1929, stamped " -9 ". 5 and 6 are identical, but 6 is not date stamped. 7 is not date stamped, is very similar, but has some differences. 7's " No. 7 " is smaller, and reads "PATENT APPL'D FOR" versus the fully spelled out "PATENT APPLIED FOR" on 5 & 6. On the opposite side, 7 has "MILWAUKEE U.S.A." with different letter spacing compared to 5 & 6 having "MILWAUKEE USA".
10) 1931. Reversible male drive ratchet, the " No. 71 ". Notice how the screws on the drive side are not counter-sunk like modern ratchets. "MILWAUKEE USA" Has been replaced by "KENOSHA WIS".
If anyone else has any input, feel free to share. My knowledge doesn't extend much past the Snap-On date code chart.
You thought we were done with 1/2" drives??......
.......I have a pic of some stray 1/2" drives and of some 3/8" drives grouped together I think will make a good transitional pic for the 3/8" drive gallery. Stay tuned................... The count continues enroute to 241...............a little Ennio Morricone to add to the suspense.............
Till next time........
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 208 1/2" Drives. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 33 . )
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The one on the left is a early one, notice the hanger hole, the others have a factory stamped hanger hole, no one knows if the one type on the left had the hole drilled by the factory, but there are some examples (same type of rat) that have no factory holes. The early tool boxes have a shelve for the rats, later they had a hanger.
I know of six diff. types of the "plug" 1/2 rats, will try to post a pic sometimes.
(nice collection).
I know of six diff. types of the "plug" 1/2 rats, will try to post a pic sometimes.
(nice collection).
krusty the clown
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i see that only two are marked with the interstate drop forge makers mark, were thay all made by IDF or were they made by other mfr's?
No other mfg. are known, the IDF stamp is the only know clue as to who stamped these out, I am not sure If I have the right order, its only a guess, the only one that has a date code is the top one. There may be more variations.
Next is the Push Thru 1/2 dr rats. I have 4 types.
Next is the Push Thru 1/2 dr rats. I have 4 types.
lbgradwell
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Very interesting!
Keep 'em coming!
Keep 'em coming!
MOPARHOUND!
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Whew.......made it to another Friday.........
A pic that should end the 1/2" drives, and get us started on the 3/8" drives.
From left to right:
Snap-On 1958 , best I can tell.
Williams Shiney New.
Craftsman New, part of a 3 drive size set in 3 blow molded trays.
Craftsman First of the 3/8" drives in my pic's. New torque wrench.
Craftsman Yet another long handle
Easco Another new, long handle, fine tooth, quick release, thumb wheel.
Proto 24" long torque wrench. Has its own case.
New Britain
Husky
Indestro Select
Williams Excellent ratchet for its age, part of a set I dug up.
Craftsman 3/8" drive, part of the 3 drive size set in 3 blow molded trays.
S-K 3/8" Stubby. Only one I've ever found, other than in their catalog.
Snap-On Grouping this with the 3/8" drives due its overall size. It is actually a female 5/8" drive from the low profile set Snap-On sells.
Had planned to highlight some various sets, but don't really have a 1/2" that is exceptional......a couple of vintage Craftsman in nice original cases, but those are not that uncommon.
More 3/8" drives to come...................
.......could the next pic be the one that breaks through 240????
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 218 1/2" Drives, 4 3/8" Drives, 222 Overall/All Sizes. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 19 . )
A pic that should end the 1/2" drives, and get us started on the 3/8" drives.
From left to right:
Snap-On 1958 , best I can tell.
Williams Shiney New.
Craftsman New, part of a 3 drive size set in 3 blow molded trays.
Craftsman First of the 3/8" drives in my pic's. New torque wrench.
Craftsman Yet another long handle
Easco Another new, long handle, fine tooth, quick release, thumb wheel.
Proto 24" long torque wrench. Has its own case.
New Britain
Husky
Indestro Select
Williams Excellent ratchet for its age, part of a set I dug up.
Craftsman 3/8" drive, part of the 3 drive size set in 3 blow molded trays.
S-K 3/8" Stubby. Only one I've ever found, other than in their catalog.
Snap-On Grouping this with the 3/8" drives due its overall size. It is actually a female 5/8" drive from the low profile set Snap-On sells.
Had planned to highlight some various sets, but don't really have a 1/2" that is exceptional......a couple of vintage Craftsman in nice original cases, but those are not that uncommon.
More 3/8" drives to come...................
.......could the next pic be the one that breaks through 240????('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 218 1/2" Drives, 4 3/8" Drives, 222 Overall/All Sizes. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 19 . )
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I almost can't believe how many cool ratchets you have. From your last post I especially like that long Easco ratchet.
I'm not sure if anyone has asked or not, but are you planning to sell any of these once you have them all accounted for? Just curious
I'm not sure if anyone has asked or not, but are you planning to sell any of these once you have them all accounted for? Just curious
MOPARHOUND!
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I almost can't believe how many cool ratchets you have. From your last post I especially like that long Easco ratchet.
I'm not sure if anyone has asked or not, but are you planning to sell any of these once you have them all accounted for? Just curious
Glad you asked. As a matter of fact I was at the Post Office last night checking on shipping prices. Anyone know the cheapest way to ship a ratchet? I've got a bunch of those 9" x 6" Priority mail boxes they said would cost between $5 to $8 to ship a ratchet, depending on destination.
Several Craftsman polished professionals, several SK green handled, and a few others will probably go to new homes. Most of them are new, with only some shelf wear. I'm just agonizing over pricing.
Meant to post it earlier, but some unusual statistics about the 1/2" drive collection:
0 Matco (come to think of it, I don't own a single Matco ratchet
)1 Cornwell (old, or just ugly
, only 1 of 2 in any size I own)1 Mac (long handled, 1 of only 3 in any size I own)
1 Snap-On newer than 1981, and its a 2003 "black iron" version
0 Allen (had a few of these, must have given them away for Christmas, or just can't find them)
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The 5 to 8 price is about right, not to much difference in parcel post. The 1/4 drive ones you can put in a small padded envelope, if you tape it well, and they are about 2 to ship. If you are shipping several rats, you can use a flat rate box for about 10.
trackwelder
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I still want one of those green handle sk's. Put me on the list.
MOPARHOUND!
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10 3/8" drive Craftsman flat panels, the 2 middle long handled 3/8" drive flat panels are rarely seen outside of Sears...........
Since we've started with some Craftsman, next up, more Craftsman 3/8" drive.............
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 218 1/2" Drives, 14 3/8" Drives, 232 Overall/All Sizes. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 9 . )
Since we've started with some Craftsman, next up, more Craftsman 3/8" drive.............
('HOUND's running ratchet total, this thread: 218 1/2" Drives, 14 3/8" Drives, 232 Overall/All Sizes. Number needed to surpass Powderkeg's overall/all sizes ratchet total of 240: 9 . )
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PowderKeg
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Well it's obvious you've got a HUGE pile of ratchets - comforting to know there's someone out there even nuttier than me
If you ever do start selling some of those, I've seen a few in there I don't have an example of - like that Indestro-made Powr-Kraft...
Now what I'd like to see are the 5 gal bucket-loads of sockets you must have with all those odd toolbox-lots you bought.
If you ever do start selling some of those, I've seen a few in there I don't have an example of - like that Indestro-made Powr-Kraft...
Now what I'd like to see are the 5 gal bucket-loads of sockets you must have with all those odd toolbox-lots you bought.
A snap on mystery rat. As far as I know these have never shown up in any cats, nor has any of these shown up with a date code. The pat. number is 1935, but this pat. number also shows up on some round heads with a 54 date code. This one has stumped all collectors, so if anyone has some info on this, it would be most appreciated.
