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Re-purposing HVAC Blower; Need Some Help

Gutman

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I’m re-purposing a squirrel cage blower fan and motor, salvaged from my air handler after upgrading my HVAC system, for use as a blower in my shop. Although I did something similar many, many years ago, it was back when I was a little smarter and electric motors were much simpler with a just a starting capacitor and hooking up a couple wires and voila!.

I’ve got a GE ½ HP motor that will run on 120v or 240v. The rub, in my case, is that it’s an electronically commutated motor (ECM), which is new to me.

By way of GoogTube, I’ve discovered it’s actually an ECM 2.3 variable-speed motor, with both 5-pin and a 16-pin connectors; 5-pin for main power (120v or 240v), and 16-pin for low voltage (24v AC, DC maybe?) signals to the motor controller. Not entirely ancient technology like I was used to, but not leading edge tech either.

It’s my understanding that the HVAC OEM would configure the ECM, unique to the model and size of the HVAC system, providing multiple airflow and comfort options, dependent upon the demands of the HVAC system it was installed in. In my case, it rode in a Trane air handler, supporting a 3.5 ton heat pump, and from what I can tell, there were some speed configuration settings, such as comfort or efficiency, multiple speeds in fan only mode, and on and off delays.

Using the vast power of Al Gore’s internet, I found a video that gave a me a basic blower go/no go test that identified which pins needed 24vAC power and I was able to make wind with it, using 240v for the main power and a 120v/24v AC transformer for the control power. I understand the need to throttle the discharge somewhat to put some load on the blower.

When I plugged in the power to the transformer, I got a soft start and a slow ramp-up to speed. When I unplugged the transformer, it ran for about 90 seconds or so before shutting off. I ran the blower for about 30 minutes and I varied the discharge and was able to monitor run current and motor temperature. It all appeared good,

Now I want to ‘configure’ it for long-term use as a shop fan. Soon, it will ride in a ‘box’ with the appropriate electrical/rotating machinery accoutrements and safety features (and stickers, of course). My goal is to get the highest speed available, or if possible, different speeds, but lacking the HVAC control board to ‘experiment’ with and not being certain that control signals generated from a HVAC control board are solely volts AC, I figured I’d ask here if anyone could provide me some greater insight, vice me just swapping control power leads around and mixing AC and DC and letting the smoke out.

I’m guessing I could just use the go/no go method I used in my test, and introduce a switch for the transformer to turn it on and off, but I figured there were experts here who might know a better way. Also, I’ve either got to get a 240v-24v transformer or find the correct pins to install a jumper in the 5-pin connector that would allow me to run solely on 120v main power.

Anyone? Bueller?

Thanks!
 

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I think I would be tempted to just find a furnace control board to run the fan. Then use either an old thermostat or set of switches to select fan speeds by choosing heat/fan/A/C.
 

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Seems like it maybe more trouble than what it is worth, unless you can find a schematic for it. You have the squirrel cage and housing, maybe try to find a normal 3 speed motor for it
 

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What brand furnace or air handler did it come out of? Most 2.3 applications are factory programmed for 24vac inputs. Unless it was a Johnson Controls (York,Coleman, etc.).
 

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Yeah a model of the air handler would have been great, could just grab a board, something like Trane CNT1866 can be had on ebay under $30 but thats just a wild guess.
 
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Thanks for all of the feedback.

The blower came out of a Carrier FV4BN005 air handler and it was paired with a Carrier 38YXA042 heat pump. I did some more internet sleuthing today and found installation manuals for both so I’ll dig through those. A quick scan of them makes me think I’ll find the info I need to make this work.

I’ve also been able to ID the 5-pin connector type so I’ve got to find the appropriate size contact pins to install a jumper in the 5-pin connector so I can run this thing on 120v.

I ran it for about 2 hours today in my jury-rigged configuration and it ran like a champ.
I wish I’d done this in the spring, before summer’s heat and humidity.

Thanks!
 

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So....what are you using it for exactly? Is it blowing air on you or exhausting air from the garage or are you building an air handler with an a-coil?

I saved the blower from my house's furnace (likley 20 years ago when I changed it)...and it's still in the attic in my barn. I've never figured out anything useful to do with it....interested in what you've come up with!

Phil
 
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Phil,

Thanks for asking. Both blowing and sucking. I actually have two sets of equipment that I salvaged.

Short story, long. In the late 1980s, an old roommate of mine used an old furnace blower in a snake ranch we were renting in northern California to exhaust air from the garage window. He built a wooden frame that held furnace air filters in the doorway that led from the house to the garage, and then he cranked the house heat or AC, and he created a climate-controlled spray booth. He ended up using the setup to paint both an old corvette and an old F100 pickup. His spray jobs were actually pretty amazing. One lesson we learned was always use more plastic sheeting though. I’ve still got a some of the overspray on one of my compressors, a jack, and some jack stands. I’m surprised we got our deposit back. I’m not sure you’d ever be able to get away with that in Cali today. The exhaust plume probably caused cancer in the neighborhood. But the seed was planted.

Back to present day and living in eastern Carolina, I’m building a small box stand on wheels for the larger capacity unit, to be able to roll it around the garage for personal cooling in the hot, humid times of the summer here. Sort of like one of those high velocity shop fans, only cheaper (and I think a little quieter actually). I’ve done the small $20 box fans that we’ve accumulated over life; they’re insufficient. Also why I’ve got to get the pins for the connector to jumper it to get it to 120v.

The other will probably eventually be fixed-mounted to exhaust from an area of my garage/shop where I do some welding. But I have to determine what other mods to my garage I want to make, and there are a few.

In the back of my mind, I’d also like to get a couple more to mount up in the eaves of the garage/shop, exhausting out the eave vents, so I could come in to the garage, flip a switch and move the hot air out of the garage initially to cool it down when its been closed up for a bit in the hot summer sun.

Of course if money were no object, it would be insulate/HVAC for garage/shop. And in that case, it would actually be demo the garage and build it bigger, taller, faster, stronger… But then the wife says something. All in due time, I guess.

I post some pics of the finished product.

John
 

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Are you sure the squirrel cage fan is going to do what you want? I had the same idea but after getting it built, I found that I could hardly feel airflow 5 ft in front of it! Apparently it couldn’t produce enough velocity. Hopefully yours will work better.
 

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Are you sure the squirrel cage fan is going to do what you want? I had the same idea but after getting it built, I found that I could hardly feel airflow 5 ft in front of it! Apparently it couldn’t produce enough velocity. Hopefully yours will work better.

It's a 1/2 hp motor. You should definitely be able to feel the output and a lot more than a typical box fan.
 

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Are you sure the squirrel cage fan is going to do what you want? I had the same idea but after getting it built, I found that I could hardly feel airflow 5 ft in front of it! Apparently it couldn’t produce enough velocity. Hopefully yours will work better.

I can feel the breeze 20' from mine :dunno:
 
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I think I would be tempted to just find a furnace control board to run the fan. Then use either an old thermostat or set of switches to select fan speeds by choosing heat/fan/A/C.

This. Use the old board and just use the "G" and "R" terminals in series with a switch for ON/Off.

Tommy
 

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I have two of the older belt drive ones and I call them my hillbilly air conditioners lol. I mounted them on old pressure washer frames that way I can roll them around and they have rubber tires and rubber feet on the other end and that makes them quieter and keeps them from walking away. Working in the driveway in the sun grab the fan. Painting walls in the house grab the fan, drying carpets or drying the garage floor get the fan. One of mine I put a variable pitch pulley on the motor that way in the winter time I can slow it down and use it with my heater in the garage to just circulate the air more so it’s more evenly heated.
 
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Finally got around to finishing up this project (and closing out this thread). Just in time too, as it's getting hot and humid here in NC.

I ended up mounting the blower on top of my torpedo heater so I can roll it around the shop. At that height, I can blow across my welding table or, by maneuvering it around, I can draw a decent suction in the vicinity of the table and exhaust it from the garage. I added a cage of sorts to keep squirrels, birds, and small children out of the squirrel cage, with a flat surface on top to accumulate more junk.

Because it's a ECM 2.3 variable-speed motor, I had to nuke out which of the pins on the 16-pin connector required 24 v power to get the highest speed. I also had to add a jumper to the 5-pin connector to allow me to run it on 120 v power, vice 240 v. Currently, it's just wired into an old extension cord so it's plugin/plugout control, but I may add a switch in the future.

Runs like a champ and much quieter than my pedestal fan.
 

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I have this exact same motor and am trying to repurpose for my garage after getting a new AC installed in my house. I can’t figure out how to get 16-pin harness configured to get blower motor to run. Can you take a picture or describe better? Do you need a 24-V source to get it to run?
 
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I'll go out to the shop tomorrow and get some pics of the connectors and the wiring info.
I did purchase a 120v/24v transformer on amazon to supply control power.
 
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askhomerpr,

I attached the schematic from my air handler and some of my notes. What worked for me:

Thankfully, my HVAC guy told me to keep the wiring harnesses and plugs when I pulled the blowers out of the air handlers I replaced. Hopefully, you've got yours.

For the control power 16 pin connector, I picked up a 24 VAC transformer off amazon (you might be able to cannibalize one from your air handler). I wired up one leg of the transformer to supply power to pins 1, 3, and 15. I wired up the other leg to supply power to pins 9, 10, 12, 13, and 14.

For the main power 5 pin connector, I initially ran the blower with 240V power, however, I subsequently added a jumper to be able to run the blower off 120V instead, as I am able to use it in many more locations.

As I was looking at it again today, I'm speculating that there might be some other combinations that would work, but what I did works for my unit. I've got probably a couple hundred hours on it now and it works well. An advantage to this blower, as compared to a pedestal fan I have is it's much quieter. And it moves some air.

Best of luck.
 

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I’ll give this a shot.

I have 2 other AC fans in my garage and they’re amazing - much quieter than anything you can buy. I wired those up 15 years ago and forgot how to, plus they were much simpler blower motors.

Thanks for sending this over. I’ll reach back out if I can’t figure it out. I appreciate your time.
 
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Yep. No worries.

My previous experience was straight forward, a hot, a neutral, and a ground. These ECMs are more modern, but with the power of the internet...
 
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