Record Vise Restoration

[Shurgosa]

I am restoring an old Record Vise. I will add some photos later but need some advice here:

the Slide that surrounds the lead screw is the regular square style but when viewing the vise from the back you cannot see the lead screw; it is enclosed by the slide on the backside. so the slide it self is fully enclosed except for the bottom

I cannot disassemble the vise because as you unwind the lead screw to widen the jaws, all the pieces of metal collide and i do not see any that can be removed. if you flip the vise over you see a small pin hammered into the shaft of the lead screw and it is their to hold a spring in place around the lead screw. if i remove that it does not seem like it would allow the vise to come apart.....

any clues?

Thanks!!

 

[drivesitfar]

you might have Record's awesome "quick release" type of vise. if you turn the handle counter clockwise does the jaw pull out to any position and then turn clockwise and it should tighten?

pictures would help the guys that have restored these Record vices know how to help you better so post up a bunch. it's a great vice and sorry I haven't taken apart one yet.

good luck

 

[lilredex]

This may help..

http://alex.threlfall.me.uk/?p=63

 

[Shurgosa]

you might have Record's awesome "quick release" type of vise. if you turn the handle counter clockwise does the jaw pull out to any position and then turn clockwise and it should tighten?

pictures would help the guys that have restored these Record vices know how to help you better so post up a bunch. it's a great vice and sorry I haven't taken apart one yet.

good luck

well....it seems about as featureless as a vice can ever be....I have not felt any type of quick release action at all....no swivel mount no pipe jaws no nothing ....

this things most noteworthy features are the fact that the big lead screw is "capped" on the back of the slide with a slab of steel , and that the shoulder of the lead screw has a spring wrapped around it....

anyways pictures incoming thanks!!

 

[Shurgosa]

This may help..

http://alex.threlfall.me.uk/?p=63

oh wow you're good at this.....those pictures are precisely what I was after...!!!

thanks.

looks like that rolled pin is coming out....

thanks a bunch.

 

[Fretters]

The steel pin which holds the spring and washer in place; tap it through slightly from the underside, towards the top of the slide. Don't tap it too far though as it'll foul the slide assembly as you rotate the screw. Once you have the pin partially tapped through, rotate the screw 180 degrees and pull the pin out completely. If you tapped the pin through too far initially, you won't be able to do the latter part of that procedure. You generally need to tap it through only ever so slightly first, just to relieve some of the pressure being applied to it by the spring and washer, and also to give you a little stub standing proud of the washer edge which you can get hold of with the pliers.

The other way to do it, (and this is a useful bit of kit when it comes to reassembly), is to get a metal/copper tube which is just large enough to slide over the screw and cut a slot in one end which is just wider than the pin, for the pin to slip into, so that you can compress the spring by pushing the tube against the washer whilst pulling the pin. Reassembly is the reverse, and if you make that slit tube, both assembly and disassembly are fairly simple. This second method only works for the slides where the rear end is open though, not the closed end slide which you appear to have. You're going to have to use the first method, which is a bit phaffier but works well, with a bit of practice.

Trying to compress the spring slightly by whatever means makes that pin a doddle to remove. The pin is literally just a slip fit, with the pressure from the spring holding it tight against the washer once assembled.

This is a rough photo, just to give an idea of how it looks. This is a Woden, but they're all pretty much the same setup on the non QR vices.