Rest In Peace Dewalt Flexvolt.

[kctyphoon]

Guess what - DEWALT just announced they will upgrade any tools free of charge, for anyone that owns anything that will not accept their new 12.0 battery due to it's Physical size difference.. I gotta say, that's pretty amazing..

Oh wait - thats MILWAUKEE that's doing that.. lol

 

[bob15]

Guess what - DEWALT just announced they will upgrade any tools free of charge, for anyone that owns anything that will not accept their new 12.0 battery due to it's Physical size difference.. I gotta say, that's pretty amazing..

Oh wait - thats MILWAUKEE that's doing that.. lol

So they exchange out this style drill & battery? Have the link showing that press release?

 

[kctyphoon]

So they exchange out this style drill & battery? Have the link showing that press release?

I just called them now.. any tools that cannot accept the new 12.0 battery, they are offering a free retrofit parts kit that will enable those tools to take the new larger battery. You can either call and they will send them out free of charge after they are available in about a month, or you can send any of the tools in for free, and they will install the new parts, and ship it back for free. You don't even need to own the bigger battery.

They've already done this once before for one of the lights when the 9.0 came out.. now they are offering it again for the 12.0.. gotta give em credit for designing things in a way that allows them to even do this, and not say - oh well.. even more amazing is any option you wanna use is free of charge. The shipping costs alone for people to send in big rocket tower lights, or heavy mag drills has to be pretty considerable - and they are doing it all free of charge for anyone that wants it.

 

[speed bump]

I just called them now.. any tools that cannot accept the new 12.0 battery, they are offering a free retrofit parts kit that will enable those tools to take the new larger battery. You can either call and they will send them out free of charge after they are available in about a month, or you can send any of the tools in for free, and they will install the new parts, and ship it back for free. You don't even need to own the bigger battery.

They've already done this once before for one of the lights when the 9.0 came out.. now they are offering it again for the 12.0.. gotta give em credit for designing things in a way that allows them to even do this, and not say - oh well.. even more amazing is any option you wanna use is free of charge. The shipping costs alone for people to send in big rocket tower lights, or heavy mag drills has to be pretty considerable - and they are doing it all free of charge for anyone that wants it.

Wait a second; this system is so superior that unlike the DeWalt system I have to upgrade my tools to use it. While I don't find my DeWalt tools superior to my Milwaukee tools I will give DeWalt credit that they never screwed over people like Milwaukee did with the V18 to M18 move and a then the minor uproar from the guys who buy these batteries and find out they have to take tools out of service for upgrades to use them.

Since I am already in the Dewalt system I hope this results in some great sales but unless Dewalt discontinues the current system I don't see the point in buying $500-1000 worth of the same tools.

 

[kctyphoon]

Wait a second; this system is so superior that unlike the DeWalt system I have to upgrade my tools to use it. While I don't find my DeWalt tools superior to my Milwaukee tools I will give DeWalt credit that they never screwed over people like Milwaukee did with the V18 to M18 move and a then the minor uproar from the guys who buy these batteries and find out they have to take tools out of service for upgrades to use them.

Since I am already in the Dewalt system I hope this results in some great sales but unless Dewalt discontinues the current system I don't see the point in buying $500-1000 worth of the same tools.

Lmao.. they never screwed people over cause they are still selling the same tools from 25 years ago.. great point..

If you, me, or anyone foresaw a 12.0 battery - we coulda made some serious money on bets - or do you not realize that a few years ago a 4.0 was a HUGE battery.?

Let me state the obvious since common sense is scarce here.. - you don't "have to" take anything out of service, and you don't "have to upgrade" either. Also, if removing a few screws to install a part is beyond your capability, you shouldn't own tools anyway..

"Screwing people" would consist of saying, "guess you're just **** outta luck" - GIVING PEOPLE PARTS AND OR SERVICE FOR FREE - is not that... and for the record - the new battery is not using 18650 cells - hence the size difference.

 

[Vpick001]

I switched to Milwaukee cordless around the time their Fuel line was coming out, and I've stayed with 'em since, largely due to being invested in their battery platform and not having any trouble getting work done with the tools they provide. I enjoy the general joking around with "Team Red" vs "Team Yellow" vs "Team Blue", but I would honestly hate it if any of these three just up and left the market.

I would much rather companies have competition, because competition drives innovation, and keeps prices from getting too out of hand. A monopoly would only result in less innovation and higher prices.

That said, **** it, DeWalt.

 

[WWheeler]

Lmao.. they never screwed people over cause they are still selling the same tools from 25 years ago.. great point..

If you, me, or anyone foresaw a 12.0 battery - we coulda made some serious money on bets - or do you not realize that a few years ago a 4.0 was a HUGE battery.?

Dewalt also has recently announced a 12Ah battery (before Milwaukee did), and it's compatible with any of their Flexvolt or 20V tools, or with a ~$20 adapter it even works with their old NiCad 18V platform tools going back to the mid 1990s (more than 25yrs).

I guess Dewalt must have foresaw it first, huh?

 

[speed bump]

Lmao.. they never screwed people over cause they are still selling the same tools from 25 years ago.. great point..

If you, me, or anyone foresaw a 12.0 battery - we coulda made some serious money on bets - or do you not realize that a few years ago a 4.0 was a HUGE battery.?

Let me state the obvious since common sense is scarce here.. - you don't "have to" take anything out of service, and you don't "have to upgrade" either. Also, if removing a few screws to install a part is beyond your capability, you shouldn't own tools anyway..

"Screwing people" would consist of saying, "guess you're just **** outta luck" - GIVING PEOPLE PARTS AND OR SERVICE FOR FREE - is not that... and for the record - the new battery is not using 18650 cells - hence the size difference.

The 12.0 A-hr battery was completely expected I just didn't expect it to be marketed that way. Looking at what Milwaukee is claiming and how the Dewalt Flexvolt system works I bet the new Milwaukee 18v system functions in the same manner as the Dewalt system (18v parallel and 54 V series) but they can't market it that way. Remember those 36 and 28v tools from back in the day? The same thing applies here just with different marketing.

As far as battery sizes Dewalt seems to be able to offer a 12.0 Ahr battery that fits on a standard 20v tool.

 

[Farmall450]

Dewalt also has recently announced a 12Ah battery (before Milwaukee did), and it's compatible with any of their Flexvolt or 20V tools, or with a ~$20 adapter it even works with their old NiCad 18V platform tools going back to the mid 1990s (more than 25yrs).

I guess Dewalt must have foresaw it first, huh?

Clearly they just copied Milwaukee's idea, that Milwaukee came up with but didn't release until after DeWalt, duh .

How long before Milwaukee figures out one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukee-...H-Milwaukee-M18-RED-BATTERY-DIY-/252627802877

Although they'll probably need to buy that one and reverse engineer it.

 

[WWheeler]

Clearly they just copied Milwaukee's idea, that Milwaukee came up with but didn't release until after DeWalt, duh .

Oh, my bad. I was looking at it all wrong then. ok.

How long before Milwaukee figures out one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukee-...H-Milwaukee-M18-RED-BATTERY-DIY-/252627802877

Although they'll probably need to buy that one and reverse engineer it.

That's too funny. I had no idea those existed. Honestly, Milwaukee should.

 

[Farmall450]

That's too funny. I had no idea those existed. Honestly, Milwaukee should.

If they gave a sh!t about their customers with legacy tools, they would

 

[kctyphoon]

Dewalt also has recently announced a 12Ah battery (before Milwaukee did), and it's compatible with any of their Flexvolt or 20V tools, or with a ~$20 adapter it even works with their old NiCad 18V platform tools going back to the mid 1990s (more than 25yrs).

I guess Dewalt must have foresaw it first, huh?

Fact #1 - Dewalt's 12.0 and Milwaukee's 12.0 are NOT the same
Fact #2 - Dewalt's 12.0 is NOT a 12.0 in flexvolt higher voltage tools, its 4. (lol)
Fact #3 - right now Dewalt's 12.0 looks to have a $250 price tag stuck to it.
Fact #4 Dewalt's miter saw requires TWO - so that's $500 in 12.0 Batteries
Fact #5 Dewalt boasts it will operate in temps down to 0degrees, while Milwaukee advertises down to -28.
Fact #6 if Dewalt's 9.0 and 12.0 are the same physical size - that means 2 things - they are absolutely just using 18650 batteries, and that's "why" it still fits in everything. Likewise- if Dewalt moves to the newer cell technology - they will like have the same issue as Milwaukee with some tools. So I guess you'll just have to wait and see how THEY handle that.

And edit - I don't THINK Dewalt's table saw CAN physically fit anything larger then the current 9.0/12.0 battery size.

 

[kctyphoon]

Clearly they just copied Milwaukee's idea, that Milwaukee came up with but didn't release until after DeWalt, duh .

How long before Milwaukee figures out one of these:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Milwaukee-...H-Milwaukee-M18-RED-BATTERY-DIY-/252627802877

Although they'll probably need to buy that one and reverse engineer it.

Your Dewalt 12.0 hasn't been released.... that's a fact too... neither have.. and as stated, they are not nearly the same thing..

 

[finn]

Fact 4 isn’t a fact: it’s fake news.

I bought two of the Dewalt flexvolt batteries for $149 on Amazon in February.

Are your other “facts” fake too?

 

[kctyphoon]

Milwaukee chainsaw - you guys were right.. it's a total turd

 

[kctyphoon]

Fact 4 isn’t a fact: it’s fake news.

I bought two of the Dewalt flexvolt batteries for $149 on Amazon in February.

Are your other “facts” fake too?

You bought TWO 12.0 DEWALT FLEXVOLT batteries in FEBRUARY - for $149??

That's pretty amazing since they are only available as a preorder since they were just announced a little over a week ago.. lol, I'm fake news huh??

 

[kctyphoon]

Just for fun. The new m12 rocket tower light

 

[kctyphoon]

Well for those who didnt see it. American Locomotive just posted a response saying 18650 are fine and will suffice for Dewalt, and that lower voltage platforms are more expensive to make efficient.

My response to that - before he deleted it, was gonna be - then why is your old tech battery $250, and my brand new high tech, expensive battery only $200??

 

[American Locomotive]

Sorry about that, was still working on the post after I made it, so I decided to delete it while I finished it.

"Facts"

1.) No one said they were
2.) You need to brush up on basic electrical theory. 18v @ 12.0 Ah has the same total energy as 54v (Flexvolt nominal voltage) @ 4.0 Ah. The battery holds 216 watt-hours of energy in either mode. Same as the Milwaukee 12.0Ah
3.)Your point?
4.) Yeah, and it comes with two batteries, a charger, and a 120v plug in wall adapter to run the saw directly from mains if you wish.
5.) Which battery packs? I only saw references of "0 degrees" on a couple of M18 battery packs
6.) There is nothing wrong with 18650 cells. Higher voltage means you do not need cells capable of delivering high sustained currents, so the 18650 cells will suffice just fine. Milwaukee's stubborn decision to stick with 18v is forcing them to use larger cells capable of delivering higher sustained currents.

Like I said many times before, low voltage - high current is more expensive, less reliable and more complex to implement.

Milwaukee chainsaw - you guys were right.. it's a total turd

L O L. Oh yeah it's faster than a gas saw that's been painted with all the branding removed that sounds like it can hardly get out of its own way. Seems really legit to me.

I did some digging to figure out what saw they used - and no wonder why they removed all the branding - the comparison is absurdly lopsided. It's a Stihl MS170. Which is literally Stihl's lowest-end and cheapest chainsaw.

The Sithl MS-170 is:
1.) A 30cc saw (While Milwaukee keeps claiming compared to 40cc saws in their marketing)
2.) 8.6 pounds vs. the 14 pounds of the new M18 HD Chainsaw
3.) $170 vs the $400 of the new M18 HD Chainsaw

 

[DerekV]

The Dewalt 9.0s are using 20700 cells, not 18650 cells KC. Their new 12.0 is the same physical size as their 9.0 since the difference between 20700 and 21700 cells can be handled by pack construction tweaks. I don't believe there are any reputable name brand 4Ah high drain 20700s, only 21700s.

Aside from some colors and pack construction, the Dewalt 12.0s are very similar to the Milwaukee 12.0s. That's a fact. The fact. And with all due respect, why is this thread still alive? It's Ford vs. Chevy at this point...let's move on...

 

[WWheeler]

Milwaukee chainsaw - you guys were right.. it's a total turd

I did some digging to figure out what saw they used - and no wonder why they removed all the branding - the comparison is absurdly lopsided. It's a Stihl MS170. Which is literally Stihl's lowest-end and cheapest chainsaw.

The Sithl MS-170 is:
1.) A 30cc saw (While Milwaukee keeps claiming compared to 40cc saws in their marketing)
2.) 8.6 pounds vs. the 14 pounds of the new M18 HD Chainsaw
3.) $170 vs the $400 of the new M18 HD Chainsaw

I just watched that too. What a joke.

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Edit: Weird: This is the video I watched the first time I clicked whatever link was posted:

Not sure why/how it goes to a different Milwaukee chainsaw demo video now. My comments below refer to the vid I watched
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It doesn't even matter what other gas saw they used because they are using a brand new Milwaukee against one with a spanked bar, hence the paint missing from nearly the entire length of the bar from overheating / lack of oil and where it's worst a few inches behind the tip of the bar, where all the paint is gone, is likely bent. That bar is garbage.

Chains cut a kerf much wider than the bar. The paint on the bar tells you all you need to know about whether it's garbage or not and whether the person using it knows what they are doing with it or not. When properly used a bar can last a year or more used daily professionally without ever burning it up so the paint comes off it like that. A bent bar and/or one with a burnt tip won't cut straight and steals power.

And the claim about the saw chips ('You don't get chips like that from an old chain') is complete BS too. What a stupidass thing to say. A new, or properly sharpened, 3/8 chain like that (looked to be a picco micro/mini reduced kickback - homeowner class chain) on an adequate size powerhead will leave chips nearly an inch long and curled up, not a pile of dust that looks like it came off my tablesaw. A sharp 'super' pro chain would make curled up chips as long as the space between it and the next tooth.

- Been doing trees since 1986.

 

[finn]

You bought TWO 12.0 DEWALT FLEXVOLT batteries in FEBRUARY - for $149??

That's pretty amazing since they are only available as a preorder since they were just announced a little over a week ago.. lol, I'm fake news huh??

Didn’t say they are 12 a/hr.

Neither did you in your original post.

 

[American Locomotive]

I just watched that too. What a joke.


It doesn't even matter what other gas saw they used because they are using a brand new Milwaukee against one with a spanked bar, hence the paint missing from nearly the entire length of the bar from overheating / lack of oil and where it's worst a few inches behind the tip of the bar, where all the paint is gone, is likely bent. That bar is garbage.

While I agree with most of your post, I don't think it's just an old/spanked bar. It's a low-end Stihl MS-170 that they ground/sanded off all the markings on the saw/bar and then painted it grey so it couldn't be identified. Their crappy spray paint is just coming off.

I'm pretty sure they did that to prevent Stihl from suing them into oblivion. All of the Milwaukee marketing **** has been saying their new saw is as powerful as a "40cc" saw, when the MS-170 is a 30cc saw. You can make claims against competitors as long as your own claims are true. But if you're blatantly lying about what size the competitors saw is, how sharp the chains, etc... You have to do underhanded things like obscure the brand of the saw.

If Milwaukee's super-great-super-duper chainsaw could really compete with 40cc class pro-saws, they should clearly be bragging about it being able to trash Sithl's lowest-end saw.

 

[WWheeler]

While I agree with most of your post, I don't think it's just an old/spanked bar. It's a low-end Stihl MS-170 that they ground/sanded off all the markings on the saw/bar and then painted it grey so it couldn't be identified. Their crappy spray paint is just coming off.

I'm pretty sure they did that to prevent Stihl from suing them into oblivion. All of the Milwaukee marketing **** has been saying their new saw is as powerful as a "40cc" saw, when the MS-170 is a 30cc saw. You can make claims against competitors as long as your own claims are true. But if you're blatantly lying about what size the competitors saw is, how sharp the chains, etc... You have to do underhanded things like obscure the brand of the saw.

If Milwaukee's super-great-super-duper chainsaw could really compete with 40cc class pro-saws, they should clearly be bragging about it being able to trash Sithl's lowest-end saw.

Agree about the saw, but it doesn't change the fact that the bar is ruined. It's stealing power from that saw like crazy. If a FNG working for me was to try to bring one of my saws back with a bar looking like that he'll never touch one of my saws again.

 

[American Locomotive]

What I'm getting at it, is that they just quickly spray painted the whole saw dark gray - including the bar. The cheap gray spray paint they used is coming off. The lighter gray underneath is likely the original bar paint.

 

[PelicanPines]

The red tools are more pretty in my tool box. The yellow ones are nice but look dirty faster.

* hoping we can all get along... both lines of tools are worth it provided they fit your needs.

 

[WWheeler]

That bar has not been painted. That's bare metal showing though. That only happens when a bar is dunfer. It looks like the bar is bent right near the powerhead and also right near the tip. The heat generated is what takes the paint off exactly like that.

 

[American Locomotive]

Yeah, but what I'm getting at, is that it's the same dark gray paint they sprayed on the rest of the saw that's coming off. You're not seeing bare metal, you're seeing the original Stihl white/light-gray paint on the bar. It's just some **** home-depot spray paint that didn't adhere well.

However this argument is pointless, because we both agree on the main point that the test is rigged.

 

[WWheeler]

Dude, I've been doing trees for more than 30 years. I know a cooked bar when I see one. That's not paint on the bar.

 

[kctyphoon]

Are you guys SERIOUSLY saying the BAR is what did the saw in???? LMAO.

How about you just focus on the red one?? What's the excuse an 18v (let's say that again) EIGHTEEN VOLT, saw cut that fast??

Anyone else see Milwaukee's new anti friction circular saw blades?

But yes - it's PAINT coming off.. lol

 

[kctyphoon]

Didn’t say they are 12 a/hr.

Neither did you in your original post.

What else would I be talking about??????? The ENTIRE POST was about BOTH new 12.0 batteries....

 

[kctyphoon]

The Dewalt 9.0s are using 20700 cells, not 18650 cells KC. Their new 12.0 is the same physical size as their 9.0 since the difference between 20700 and 21700 cells can be handled by pack construction tweaks. I don't believe there are any reputable name brand 4Ah high drain 20700s, only 21700s.

Aside from some colors and pack construction, the Dewalt 12.0s are very similar to the Milwaukee 12.0s. That's a fact. The fact. And with all due respect, why is this thread still alive? It's Ford vs. Chevy at this point...let's move on...

I tried to respond to this earlier but the site wasn't working.. IF DeWalt is using a newer cell, then I digress and take back my claim. Fact is you can't find much of anything as far as info goes, since they just list the cells as "premium", and their own webpage has displayed nothing but "error" for the 12.0 for days now. Still, Milwaukee is using bigger better cells, and The red one lists $50 cheaper than yellows, .

Would it be accurate if I started referring to Dewalts tools as "yellow bellied"?

 

[bob15]

Milwaukee chainsaw - you guys were right.. it's a total turd

Not impressed with this wanna-be marketing video.

They never showed the condition of the Stihl chain nor the depth of the rakers. look at the chips the Milwaukee is putting out compared to the dust on the Stihl. The rakers are too high on the Stihl, or the chain is super dull; whereas the Milwaukee has a new chain, properly sharpened. Typical sale gimmick.

The Stihl saw isn't even even really well tuned (to make a sales pitch like this, you set the carb to run slightly too rich so it will not run very well).

A 30cc saw (their test saw) isn't really suited for bucking a tree this size. The Stihl saw is over-barred.

An all steel bucking spike....yea......what are they going to use? Styrofoam?

A cedar 6x6 isn't exactly a very hard wood (actually it is the density of a pine tree) to be bragging how many cuts you can do. Let's talk about how well it is after burying that battery saw into some seasoned locust or red oak tree and then let's see how long that battery will last.

How much lugging power does it have. The issue with husky saws is that they are all speed and have very little lugging ability once the chain starts to get dull. That is why the somewhat slower saws (10-11K vs 13k rpm) will keep cutting better when the chain is no longer super-sharp, but not really dull enough to change out. You can lug them old slow saws down and they will just keep on cutting away. What happens after this Milwaukee makes a couple cuts on that chain?

A 3/8 lo-pro chain.....nothing special there......

I think I will stick with my old McCulloch's and skip that Playskool saw.......at least the Mac's are proven to cut all types of wood and in all conditions possible. I haven't seen anything to show me that red saw is up to any type of a challenge except maybe cutting a couple branches that have fallen after a thunderstorm.

 

[American Locomotive]

Are you guys SERIOUSLY saying the BAR is what did the saw in???? LMAO.

How about you just focus on the red one?? What's the excuse an 18v (let's say that again) EIGHTEEN VOLT, saw cut that fast??

Please explain why Milwaukee keeps claiming their saw is as powerful as a "40cc" gas saw in that video and all of their marketing, but they're comparing it to an entry level 30cc gas saw? An entry level gas saw that costs $230 less, and is 6 pounds lighter mind you.

Probably because Stihl's saw that's actually comparable in price and weight (MS 271 Farm Boss, 12.3 pounds, $400) has a large engine that would curb stomp that Milwaukee into the ground

How much lugging power does it have. The issue with husky saws is that they are all speed and have very little lugging ability once the chain starts to get dull. That is why the somewhat slower saws (10-11K vs 13k rpm) will keep cutting better when the chain is no longer super-sharp, but not really dull enough to change out. You can lug them old slow saws down and they will just keep on cutting away. What happens after this Milwaukee makes a couple cuts on that chain?
.

There's another video taken later from this same "test" where the Milwaukee stalls out like a modern brushless drill does when you overload it. The operator had to release the trigger and pull it again to get the saw to come back to life.

 

[kctyphoon]

Not impressed with this wanna-be marketing video.

They never showed the condition of the Stihl chain nor the depth of the rakers. look at the chips the Milwaukee is putting out compared to the dust on the Stihl. The rakers are too high on the Stihl, or the chain is super dull; whereas the Milwaukee has a new chain, properly sharpened. Typical sale gimmick.

The Stihl saw isn't even even really well tuned (to make a sales pitch like this, you set the carb to run slightly too rich so it will not run very well).

A 30cc saw (their test saw) isn't really suited for bucking a tree this size. The Stihl saw is over-barred.

An all steel bucking spike....yea......what are they going to use? Styrofoam?

A cedar 6x6 isn't exactly a very hard wood (actually it is the density of a pine tree) to be bragging how many cuts you can do. Let's talk about how well it is after burying that battery saw into some seasoned locust or red oak tree and then let's see how long that battery will last.

How much lugging power does it have. The issue with husky saws is that they are all speed and have very little lugging ability once the chain starts to get dull. That is why the somewhat slower saws (10-11K vs 13k rpm) will keep cutting better when the chain is no longer super-sharp, but not really dull enough to change out. You can lug them old slow saws down and they will just keep on cutting away. What happens after this Milwaukee makes a couple cuts on that chain?

A 3/8 lo-pro chain.....nothing special there......

I think I will stick with my old McCulloch's and skip that Playskool saw.......at least the Mac's are proven to cut all types of wood and in all conditions possible. I haven't seen anything to show me that red saw is up to any type of a challenge except maybe cutting a couple branches that have fallen after a thunderstorm.

Where Dewalts demo showing all that?..... They only have what ? 2 ? No - 3 chainsaws now..

 

[kctyphoon]

Please explain why Milwaukee keeps claiming their saw is as powerful as a "40cc" gas saw in that video and all of their marketing, but they're comparing it to an entry level 30cc gas saw? An entry level gas saw that costs $230 less, and is 6 pounds lighter mind you.

Probably because Stihl's saw that's actually comparable in price and weight (MS 271 Farm Boss, 12.3 pounds, $400) has a large engine that would curb stomp that Milwaukee into the ground

There's another video taken later from this same "test" where the Milwaukee stalls out like a modern brushless drill does when you overload it. The operator had to release the trigger and pull it again to get the saw to come back to life.

Ok and what's wrong with that?? Question - u wanna talk about electic saws stalling, I assume you've never used a CORDED Makita ?? Any GOOD electic saw will either have a clutch or overload protection.. that's what keeps good electrics from burning up like cheap electircs..

What's next??! Lol. U gonna say a gas saw never got it's blade stuck too deep in a cut that the saw couldn't over come it?? Has anyone commenting even used a chainsaw before? Lol

And for the record - what is considered the best corded electic chainsaw by MANY is the long discontinued corded Milwaukee.. just saying..

Oh - and for the premium gas saws - let it sit unused for 2 years - and let's see which one "curb stomps" the other.. haha

 

[WhiffySpark]

My ms271 will stomp that saw in a second with a regular safety chain. The miluwakee is far from "fast". Just the proper bar and sharp chain on a 30cc would run right past that saw

Sure it's good for pruning some branches here and there. But it's far from a competitor to a gas saw

 

[kctyphoon]

My ms271 will stomp that saw in a second with a regular safety chain. The miluwakee is far from "fast". Just the proper bar and sharp chain on a 30cc would run right past that saw

Sure it's good for pruning some branches here and there. But it's far from a competitor to a gas saw

I've used $49 corded saws to cut up utility poles.. Milwaukee's cordless will do just fine..

 

[kelpaso1]

Not impressed with this wanna-be marketing video.

They never showed the condition of the Stihl chain nor the depth of the rakers. look at the chips the Milwaukee is putting out compared to the dust on the Stihl. The rakers are too high on the Stihl, or the chain is super dull; whereas the Milwaukee has a new chain, properly sharpened. Typical sale gimmick.

The Stihl saw isn't even even really well tuned (to make a sales pitch like this, you set the carb to run slightly too rich so it will not run very well).

A 30cc saw (their test saw) isn't really suited for bucking a tree this size. The Stihl saw is over-barred.

Where Dewalts demo showing all that?..... They only have what ? 2 ? No - 3 chainsaws now..

What Bob said. Total BS comparison. The gas saw has a dull chain looking at the saw dust and no chips. With a good sharp chain you don't need to push the saw down, the weight of the saw will do the work. If you really think the Milwaukee saw can out perform a gas saw you are dreaming. Try this test. Both saws are new with new sharp chains. Gas saw 1 full tank of fuel. Elec saw full charge. See who can chunk up a half cord of HARDWOOD in a half hour. I know who will win. The elec saw will run out of power in 15 mins or less while the gas saw will get the job done.

Ya, Milwaukee tools are good, and so is DeWalt, but your ra-ra cheer leading for them in this thread is annoying because you put down other brands of tools that you say are inferior to the red brand. How about comparing apples to apples. Yellow and Red elec saws both new and see how much quantity of hard wood fire wood each can cut on one charge. Without this test your previous comparison is meaningless.

 

[DerekV]

Still, Milwaukee is using bigger better cells

99% sure the Dewalt 12.0 is using 21700 cells like the new Milwaukee. That's what I said but didn't really say