Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop

[ADaughen]

Thanks ADaughen, that's what I get for posting something after being up 30 hours and only 3 hours sleep! Note the more informative post #1957 after a few more hours sleep!

Keep me on my toes guys!

Thomas

I saw your post with the equations. It was too much like my college PHY251 course. I may have nightmares tonight from it.


I think I calculated ~565mph neglecting wind resistance it has been a few years though.

 

[Amitygravel]

Hello Thomas!
Thanks for the update on the belly tanker saga. Your documentation of the shop and property
has become even more fascinating with the side story of the manifold and tanker. As small as this world gets
sometimes , maybe its in a pasture or barn in southeast Illinois. Wouldn't that be something!


That was an awful long 'walk' with anvil ! Should have given me a call to take turns with it.
Is the stand its on no longer stable enough? It has such a unique look to it. Again, thanks for
the updates!!

Chris , hello to you as well !
Are the shops buried under snow? I had the adventure of driving back north from Richland Co.
Sunday night on 130. There were an awful lot of vehichles not ON the road and that was only the ones
I could SEE while going a blistering 20 to 30 mph.
Hope you busy with your shop for the holiday season.

Craig

 

[EKjimmy]

This garage/shop is just awesome! I love it. My dream is to either buy/restore or build a 50's style garage....knowing me i'd live in it and not bother with a normal house

 

[hobbitss]

JERAULDS Y MANIFOLD STORY CONTINUED......

..........Charles also sent this picture and short caption.........

"Here is a photo of Al Jerauld & George Barber taken at Jeraulds Speed Chop in National city
Charles"

......Little did I know when I first saw that manifold in 2005 it would lead to all this........ and the best part is, it's all good.

There is still more background material as it relates to the Indy car that I'll get on here soon.

Thomas

I look at this picture, read the caption and what pops into my head???

"You're gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop driven' that hot rod Lincoln....."

 

[White Trash Renegade]

Absolutely amazing! That's all I can say about this Garage and the stories you have shared! After seeing this, I have had my eye on a certain shop that I have seen for decades now and have only in the past several years learned the awesome significance of!
Hint: Little Coffin.
Now to see if I can figure a way to get the owners to give it up! LOL!
Thank you guys for lighting a fire under my a**!

 

[ZRX61]

Wrench sorted yesterday, I'll try to get to the PO today

 

[abebummy26]

I look at this picture, read the caption and what pops into my head???

"You're gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop driven' that hot rod Lincoln....."

Haha that's funny I've been called hot rod Lincoln, a few times because of this song. My first name is Lincoln so it fits. I've always wanted to build the four door version of Chris's car. However they are stupid expensive to redo. I'm a Chevy guy mostly though.

 

[abebummy26]

Love this thread by the way its amazing. So much credit for the work time and effort. Or society today is such a throw everything away if its old or broken. You just can't beat the quality of the tools and parts from back then. Wish I could have been around back when shops like this were in every town. Me being only 22 I didn't get to see places like this.

 

[tdkkart]

I look at this picture, read the caption and what pops into my head

What popped into my head was:

Holy ****, they drove that thing to 117mph??

Can you imagine??

 

[akpro]

Tom and Chris Great story on your shop and property. I have beem lurking for while and then had some computer problems for the last 4 months, so now all caught up. Chris you can now add Vermont to your list of states.I have lived and worked here in the Champlain Valley all my life, first on the family dairy farm and now for a farm equipent dealer. Kim

 

[markviii]

Post #1921 (pg. 97) is updated with a new state, thanks to akpro (Kim, thanks for posting in and welcome). You 6 other "lurkers" need to post in before the test, otherwise you'll be left out of the fun! I think we'll let the page 100 "deadline" pass us by in favor of more sensible deadlines suggested for our final exam. I know that makes lots of you happy even though there's nothing to worry about at all!

And abebummy26, being older doesn't mean you can't spot quality when you see it. It's never too early to start collecting useful things of good quality that will last you a lifetime. If they come with a "story", that's even better.

Chris

 

[abebummy26]

I know all about recognizing quality of older stuff. Which is why I'm going into restoration on tractors soon.

 

[hobbitss]

What popped into my head was:

Holy ****, they drove that thing to 117mph??

Can you imagine??

Yes I can... If you look up the song lyrics or listen to it they talk about breaking 110mph on the road in Lincoln powered Model A...

Classic song... It has to be on the Garage play list....

 

[JC23]

Yes I can... If you look up the song lyrics or listen to it they talk about breaking 110mph on the road in Lincoln powered Model A...

Classic song... It has to be on the Garage play list....

You mean this one???

BTW, there are some really cool versions of that song by the guy who played it with Commander Cody, Bill Kirtchen.

 

[henrysgarage]

For your listening pleasure, Hot Rod Lincoln

 

[BB767]

Anvil Update Alert!


I cleaned it up somewhat and can make out some of the lettering stamped into the side.



What I can definitely make out is middle and bottom. Middle- MANUFACTURING
lower curved - BROOKLYN NY

below that- 204 - is stamped. The weight I would think in British Hundreds Weight which = 228 LBS ( It IS a Heavy Chevy!!)

The name of the manufacture on top is difficult to make out. Three letters on the left side look like: HAY The next ones to the right look like BUDDEN

So I conclude it's a:

HAY BUDDEN
MANUFACTURING
BROOKLYN NY

204





A second United States manufacturer of anvils was Hay-Budden Manufacturing Co. (James Hay and Frederick C. Budden), Brooklyn, New York. They supposedly began operation in 1890 and went out of business in the era of 1920 to 1925. In 1905, Hay-Budden claimed that there were over 100,000 of their anvils in use. Hay-Budden advertising says: `Every Hay-Budden Anvil is made of the best American Wrought iron and faced with the best Crucible Cast Steel. Every genuine Hay-Budden Anvil is made by the latest improved methods. Top and bottom are each one solid piece and welded at the waist. The steel faces to these anvils are all put on in one solid piece: not two or more pieces, as is customary with most anvils ... we have produced a steel for the faces of our anvils which will take a harder temper and be less liable to chip than any on the market ... and the blacksmith who wants a strictly first-class anvil can make no mistake in purchasing a Hay-Budden."

Source: Blacksmith's and Farriers' Tools at Shelburne Museum, by H. R. Bradley Smith:

Where else would I need to look for serial number and or other numbers etc.?

Another mystery solved!

Thomas

 

[BB767]

If you are around drag strips long enough you'll see the strangest things.....

...and it was a 4 door no less...................

That's over 2 1/2 tons of American steel...
It ran around 150 mph as I recall. Don't remember the ET.

Thomas

 

[hobbitss]

You mean this one???

BTW, there are some really cool versions of that song by the guy who played it with Commander Cody, Bill Kirtchen.

Could be, but I've always imagined it as a roadster....

 

[BB767]

....... That is a great looking Anvil!

Zeppe807, that has to be an original opening pick-up line! I don't know successful you'd be with it, but it is original!

(Chris I've only heard about these things, honest. )

Thomas

 

[markviii]

Yeah, right... (Oops! I didn't know that would put us at 100 pages; well , on to the next milestone!)

Chris

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Chris,

I'm glad you didn't say something like -

Well 'RESTO-students', now that we have covered 100 pages of the text, you should all begin reviewing for the big test we're going to have before the Christmas break.

 

[BB767]

Warg, here you go, Anvil Shooting.

That is the oddest thing I've seen since...

You suppose this is the sort of stuff Grizz1963 or 51rider does in their spare time across the pond??

Geez, the stuff people come up with to fill idle moments. (secretly I do have to admit however, that seeing an anvil launch a 100' into the air or a flaming piano being flung across a meadow is after all.............well, entertaining is the word that comes to mind, ssshh, don't tell Chris though.)


Thomas

 

[ZRX61]

Wrench was mailed back about 11.30 this morning

 

[Nuts]

Nice to see some print showing up under that rust.
The Hay Budden anvils are one of the most sought after.
Sometimes the serial numbers are on the bottom of the feet.
If I remember correctly anvils are cast upside down, then
have the hard face top forged in place.

Not sure if you've decided how to clean up your anvil,
but I'd leave the bit of red you now have on the lettering.
Run the brush to that degree over the rest of the anvil,
wipe down with a solvent and then a light coat of oil.

Found this info on one of the blacksmith forums some time back,
but now have no idea where.


Nuts

 

[willy3486]

If you need to move that anvil again here is a way I have heard that works good. I haven't tried it but I think it would work great. Just walk it up on a piece of plywood a little bigger than it is. You might even put a couple of screws to fasten the stand to the wood. Then take those two boards you walk it on and put grease on them so the anvils board will slide. Then just move the the anvil across it. I have heard stories of guys from the old days putting grease on two pieces of metal then driving on them. They could move the wheels left and right without much effort. I bet it would work this way as well.

 

[markviii]

I just hope he doesn't do this stunt again over that long distance, no matter what the method!

ZRX61 - thanks for not doing a "fly by and drop" show with that wrench, although it would have made a nice show for the neighbors and a nice real-life demonstration for our latest physics problem on terminal velocity. And FUN; after all, isn't that what it's all about?

Omphaloskeptic - I let the 100-page "deadline" pass in favor of one of the other options outlined on post #1867. The best way to prepare for a test is to stay current on the material! Learning is cumulative, right?

I'm off to finishing framing 4 projects before Dec. 23.

Chris

 

[EKjimmy]

What sort of flooring has been used? I guess they're not regular tiles or they'd be too slippery and fragile?

 

[BB767]

I should think Elroy may find this of interest among others. The was one lift modification that was done which I left in place while I was restoring that lift.

This is the unmodified left side lift ramp, while opposite it, on the other side....

...you'll see some tabs welded beneath the right lift ramp.

They all have holes in them...

....and for what purpose I have no idea.

They were clearly "field modifications" and not of Rotary Lift origin. At the time my son and I were prepping the lift for paint I was sorely tempted to remove them, but decided to leave them in place. Whatever they once were used for is now lost unless someone here has seen something like this before? At the time I had almost no experience with this lift so I was hesitant to remove them. I didn't want to find out later why they were put there and then have to reinstall them. As you know I repaired the holes in the Walker floor jack saddle but these I left, for better or worse. They don't get in the way so it hasn't presented a problem.

Anyone think of what use they might have had??

Thomas

 

[BB767]

What model of Rotary lift do you have. I have a cylinder from a two post sliding post model and I am wondering if it would have enough capacity to do what your pictures show. Do you know if that unit came from the factory as is or was that remodeled with the ramps? Thank you for your info. Where would a person find info on the older models of Rotary Lift?

Gerry, I can now try to answer your questions. The drive on vintage Rotary Lift in the shop is Model # 91 X with a lifting capacity of 7,500 lbs.



It was manufactured between July and October, 1928 as best we can determine. Rotary's current records don't go back much beyond 1935 or so.



This is from an early 1930's Rotary Catalog. You can see ramps were from the factory. More information can be seen on Page 48, post #950 of this thread. To find more information on older Rotary Lifts, this forum is a good place to start. While I'm no expert, I do probably have more expertise with the older, all hydraulic units than most people having researched the one in my shop. Try contacting Rotary Lift the company, they're still in business.

http://www.rotarylift.com/

I did some research through the library and there's always google of course. Feel free to ask what questions you may have and you'll usually get an answer from someone on this forum. There are some highly skilled people populating these pages and they always seem more than ready to help out.

As for your question on the lifting capability of your single cylinder from a 2 post model I'm afraid I can't help without more information. Try starting a new thread on one of the other forums here. If that doesn't get you the answers you seek, check back with me and I'll try to do a follow up. Thanks for spending some of your time reading and posting here. You are most welcome.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Chris,

Is that deal about building the pyramids outta plywood gonna be on the test???

I'm still having a problem with that one,

I really don't see why you're having a problem with that, really don't.
I'm very sure they just went to the local Home Depot. JC23 ya gotta think "outside the box" if you expect to pass the test!

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Thomas,

When you moved that monster, did you say something like ---

"Chris honey, I'll be outside taking the anvil for its evening walk."

???

And on returning, did you say ---

"(In a Castrada Falsetto voice) Hi Honey, I'm home, the anvil and I had a good long walk!"

True story, saw a bumper sticker that read;

"HAVE YOU HUGGED YOUR ANVIL TODAY?"

Do we live in interesting times or what??

Thomas

 

[D.J.]

Thomas: Could those tabs have been for a pole or pipe type of jackstand once the lift was in the fully extended up position? Only thing I could come up with on a short notice. Back when my Dad ran a Standard oil service station in my hometown, we had a electric powered four post lift that was lifted by cables thought wound up on a jackshaft at the front of the lift, can't recall the brand off hand. Keep up the fine work and say hi to all my friends in Savoy and I wish you all in the "center of the universe" a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from Gods Country in Southeastern Illinois.
D.J.
________
Vaporizer Affiliate Program

 

[BB767]

Hello Thomas!
Thanks for the update on the belly tanker saga. Your documentation of the shop and property
has become even more fascinating with the side story of the manifold and tanker. As small as this world gets
sometimes , maybe its in a pasture or barn in southeast Illinois. Wouldn't that be something!


That was an awful long 'walk' with anvil ! Should have given me a call to take turns with it.
Is the stand its on no longer stable enough? It has such a unique look to it. Again, thanks for
the updates!!



Craig

Craig if I'd only known you wanted some exercise..... As for your question on the anvil base, it is unique and very stable. I suspect the suggestions to use a wood stump for the base were more for tradition and to cut down on the ringing when it's struck.

Wouldn't it be bizarre if it turns out that long lost belly tanker is stuck back in the corner of the tool shed here, under a tarp, or is in the basement of the family home???? If it is, NO WAY Jacob are you getting that!! Not until you prey it from my cold, dead.............

Thomas

 

[BB767]

This garage/shop is just awesome! I love it. My dream is to either buy/restore or build a 50's style garage....knowing me i'd live in it and not bother with a normal house

What sort of flooring has been used? I guess they're not regular tiles or they'd be too slippery and fragile?

EKjimmy, I whole heartily support your dream and completely understand why you might just want to live in it.

The floor tiles are Armstrong VCT, vinyl composite tile, ordinary floor tile. There was considerable discussion on them several..... well many pages, back. I also discussed how to protect them. Let me know if you can't find the pages and I'll try to help out. Sounds like you need to review for the test anyway.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Absolutely amazing! That's all I can say about this Garage and the stories you have shared! After seeing this, I have had my eye on a certain shop that I have seen for decades now and have only in the past several years learned the awesome significance of!
Hint: Little Coffin.
Now to see if I can figure a way to get the owners to give it up! LOL!
Thank you guys for lighting a fire under my a**!

Go get 'em! I like that attitude! Stop wondering "what if" and try to make it happen!! I pursued this shop for years.

Let us know how it goes for you.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Tom and Chris Great story on your shop and property. I have beem lurking for while and then had some computer problems for the last 4 months, so now all caught up. Chris you can now add Vermont to your list of states.I have lived and worked here in the Champlain Valley all my life, first on the family dairy farm and now for a farm equipent dealer. Kim

Since you're an old dairy farmer, have I got a couple of wrenches for you...

I bet the nostalgia is just flooding back isn't it?

Thomas

 

[Omphaloskeptic]

Nostalgia or painful flashbacks; its one or the 'udder'!

 

[EKjimmy]

EKjimmy, I whole heartily support your dream and completely understand why you might just want to live in it.

The floor tiles are Armstrong VCT, vinyl composite tile, ordinary floor tile. There was considerable discussion on them several..... well many pages, back. I also discussed how to protect them. Let me know if you can't find the pages and I'll try to help out. Sounds like you need to review for the test anyway.

Thomas

No worries, I'll have a look for myself. Thanks for the detailed reply i will have to look them up. Very envious of your lift by the way...well im envious of the whole shop i suppose
Definitely need to do some revision, this thread is what drew me to the garage journal in the first place - they should be paying you

 

[hobbitss]

Is this post 2000???

Tools!!!

Sorry couldn't help my self....

 

[dmeray1]

Thanks to Thomas and everyone else that provides material for this thread. It is inspirational and educational. Happy Holidays everyone!!